ANY democrat beats Bush 45% to 41% according to Zogby

sMiLeYz

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Looks like we might have Regime change right here in the good ol' usa. ;)

The people who do this for a living, and do it objectively, poll the latest data and apparently ANY democrat is beating Bush soundly. These numbers would likely go up once we pick this democrat or it could very well go down.

These polls took place on the 15-19th of january...
Nearly two in five (41%) would vote for Bush, while 45% would opt to support an unnamed Democrat over Bush. In December polling, Bush held a slight edge over a generic Democrat. Nearly one in eight are unsure or prefer another choice.

The President remains behind in his ?re-elect? numbers, where 41% of likely voters now say he deserves to be re-elected, while [/b]48% say it is time for someone new.[/b] In early September polling, 52% said it was time for someone new, and just two in five (40%) said he deserves re-election.

Zogby

I believe the senior Bush had around 70% approval rating during primary season... does anyone remember what happen to him? ;)
 

KK

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Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Looks like we might have Regime change right here in the good ol' usa. ;)

The people who do this for a living, and do it objectively, poll the latest data and apparently ANY democrat is beating Bush soundly. These numbers would likely go up once we pick this democrat or it could very well go down.

These polls took place on the 15-19th of january...
Nearly two in five (41%) would vote for Bush, while 45% would opt to support an unnamed Democrat over Bush. In December polling, Bush held a slight edge over a generic Democrat. Nearly one in eight are unsure or prefer another choice.

The President remains behind in his ?re-elect? numbers, where 41% of likely voters now say he deserves to be re-elected, while [/b]48% say it is time for someone new.[/b] In early September polling, 52% said it was time for someone new, and just two in five (40%) said he deserves re-election.

Zogby

I believe the senior Bush had around 70% approval rating during primary season... does anyone remember what happen to him? ;)

Bush Sr. also had Perot, that's the only reason he lost.

KK
 

sMiLeYz

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Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Looks like we might have Regime change right here in the good ol' usa. ;)

The people who do this for a living, and do it objectively, poll the latest data and apparently ANY democrat is beating Bush soundly. These numbers would likely go up once we pick this democrat or it could very well go down.

These polls took place on the 15-19th of january...
Nearly two in five (41%) would vote for Bush, while 45% would opt to support an unnamed Democrat over Bush. In December polling, Bush held a slight edge over a generic Democrat. Nearly one in eight are unsure or prefer another choice.

The President remains behind in his ?re-elect? numbers, where 41% of likely voters now say he deserves to be re-elected, while [/b]48% say it is time for someone new.[/b] In early September polling, 52% said it was time for someone new, and just two in five (40%) said he deserves re-election.

Zogby

I believe the senior Bush had around 70% approval rating during primary season... does anyone remember what happen to him? ;)

Bush Sr. also had Perot, that's the only reason he lost.

KK

Al Gore had Nader, and still won by 500,000 votes.
 

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Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Looks like we might have Regime change right here in the good ol' usa. ;)

The people who do this for a living, and do it objectively, poll the latest data and apparently ANY democrat is beating Bush soundly. These numbers would likely go up once we pick this democrat or it could very well go down.

These polls took place on the 15-19th of january...
Nearly two in five (41%) would vote for Bush, while 45% would opt to support an unnamed Democrat over Bush. In December polling, Bush held a slight edge over a generic Democrat. Nearly one in eight are unsure or prefer another choice.

The President remains behind in his ?re-elect? numbers, where 41% of likely voters now say he deserves to be re-elected, while [/b]48% say it is time for someone new.[/b] In early September polling, 52% said it was time for someone new, and just two in five (40%) said he deserves re-election.

Zogby

I believe the senior Bush had around 70% approval rating during primary season... does anyone remember what happen to him? ;)

Bush Sr. also had Perot, that's the only reason he lost.

KK

Al Gore had Nader, and still won by 500,000 votes.

I think Perot had more of an impact than Nader. Also Electoral votes > popular vote, I don't agree with the system but that is how it's setup now.

KK

 

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Bush has been politically inept the last few months. This latest omnibus spending bill with its massive pork and stealing from the little guy is one example and is going to hurt him come election time.

But, I stilll think Bush has got this election locked up, though not by a large margin. What the Democrats need is a big break, or a series of small breaks. Bush debating the Democratic candidate is going to be MONDO BIZARRO for sure. I don't know how Bush will make coherance out of a failed Iraq policy and his many domestic gaffs. Bush should shut up and hunker down until after the election. As I've said before, Bush is the best player on the Democrat's team. He's Michael Jordan turned upside down. :)

Meanwhile, I notice that Kerry toned down his Stentorian Rhetoric, except when defending his war vote, in last night's debate. I thought Kerry looked pretty good as did Dean. Joe Lieberman is so far out to the right he's in the parking lot. He actually got booed when he made his argument in support of the war. Too bad too, because Lieberman is a very good man except for his support of the war and his ability to confuse U.S. citizenship with Israeli citizenship. Understandable though. General Clark is going to fade I believe. He porked himself royally before the race with his comments supportive of Bush and those are not going down well with the Democratic base. He looks and sounds like a political opportunist at this point, though I think he is also a very solid guy.

-Robert

 

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Currently all the Dems are getting the media attention and beating up on Bush.

When the mess settles down and Bush starts attacking, it will be a different story.

Junior varsity games are entertaining, the varsity game is where you have to prove you are no longer the big fish in a little pond.
 

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Not a bad analysis there chess9, I wonder if I should trust it. I heard something about you being not too solid on education I think from Galt.
 

Ferocious

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Polls are only rough estimates.

Many of them had Bush with over a 5 point lead the day before the 2000 election.
 

chess9

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Moonbeam:

Galt is not to be believed! I am der FUHRER on education. :)

Yes, I wasted more of my life on education than probably anyone here. The emphasis being on "wasted". :)

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Not a bad analysis there chess9, I wonder if I should trust it. I heard something about you being not too solid on education I think from Galt.

No, not at all, Moonie. His wife is a teacher, thus he is our resident education expert; I yield to him (because I hate gays and blacks who go to school in Washington D.C.).
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Not a bad analysis there chess9, I wonder if I should trust it. I heard something about you being not too solid on education I think from Galt.

No, not at all, Moonie. His wife is a teacher, thus he is our resident education expert; I yield to him (because I hate gays and blacks who go to school in Washington D.C.).
Ah yes now I remember. Mention of dc schools means your a White Supemacist. :D And you never typed anybody prematurely? I make that mistake almost daily, certainly often unawares. I think I'll give chess9 a pass, with a cautionary not that he work on that. :D

 

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Moonbeam:

I'm trying to be a better person, really. If I can find it in my heart to vote for GW I will.

My wife is not a teacher, but I AM a student. :)

-Robert
 

sMiLeYz

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I just don't get it. What are you moon, chess, and galt talking about?!
 

DealMonkey

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Oh no! Zogby has been co-opted by the liberal media!
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KK

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
Zogby also has the lowest ratings for Bush consistently since his presidency began: graph.

I can't believe there's a chart for that stuff. That's crazy.

KK
 

Zebo

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Reading andys chart I think I'm color blind.

Anyway there is no way once the GOP/corporate big dollars start disiminating will any dem hold this lead unless he also is co-oted by the same.
 

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Originally posted by: chess9
Bush has been politically inept the last few years. This latest omnibus spending bill with its massive pork and stealing from the little guy is one example and is going to hurt him come election time.

But, I stilll think Bush has got this election locked up, though not by a large margin. What the Democrats need is a big break, or a series of small breaks. Bush debating the Democratic candidate is going to be MONDO BIZARRO for sure. I don't know how Bush will make coherance out of a failed Iraq policy and his many domestic gaffs. Bush should shut up and hunker down until after the election. As I've said before, Bush is the best player on the Democrat's team. He's Michael Jordan turned upside down. :)

Meanwhile, I notice that Kerry toned down his Stentorian Rhetoric, except when defending his war vote, in last night's debate. I thought Kerry looked pretty good as did Dean. Joe Lieberman is so far out to the right he's in the parking lot. He actually got booed when he made his argument in support of the war. Too bad too, because Lieberman is a very good man except for his support of the war and his ability to confuse U.S. citizenship with Israeli citizenship. Understandable though. General Clark is going to fade I believe. He porked himself royally before the race with his comments supportive of Bush and those are not going down well with the Democratic base. He looks and sounds like a political opportunist at this point, though I think he is also a very solid guy.

-Robert

Corrected your post for you :)

I hope Clark doesn't fade, I was watching the debates a few nights ago and he seemed to be well prepared and IMO, he will be a good challenger to Bush. Yes people will question him being an opportunist but I think he defended himself very well against those questions.

Personally i'm rooting for Al Sharpton :p

 

sMiLeYz

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
Zogby also has the lowest ratings for Bush consistently since his presidency began: graph.

What would Zogby gain by misrepresenting the truth? Nothing. They're a highly respected professional organization.

The ones conduct by the media are more highly suspect in my opinion.
 

tcsenter

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The people who do this for a living, and do it objectively, poll the latest data and apparently ANY democrat is beating Bush soundly....
What would Zogby gain by misrepresenting the truth? Nothing. They're a highly respected professional organization.
I could not agree with these statements more! :D

Zogby International is indeed a "highly respected professional" polling firm. Remember, "the people who do this for a living, and do it objectively," also found:
A wide majority of likely American voters (75%) agree that the Second Amendment guarantees the right of individuals to keep and bear arms. (1,015 likely voters chosen at random nationwide between May 28 and May 30, 2002.)

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Sixty-six percent of Americans agreed with the right to carry a firearm on their person or in their car for protection provided they passed a background check and had a safety course.

Q. Please tell me if the National Rifle Association speaks for you all of the time, most of the time, some of the time, or never?

All of the time: 12%
Most of the time: 14%
Some of the time: 30%
[at least some of the time or higher = 56%)
Never: 44%

Q. Do you strongly agree, somewhat agree, somewhat disagree, or strongly disagree that a man or woman who has had a background check by a law enforcement agency or had a safety course, has the right to carry a firearm on their person or in their car for protection?

Strongly Agree: 46%
Somewhat Agree: 20%
[somewhat or strongly agree = 66%]
Somewhat Disagree: 11%
Strongly Disagree: 20%

(1,011 registered voters chosen at random nationwide between October 8 and October 10, 2001)

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2004 Zogby Values Poll, surveying 1,200 voters nationwide on issues that included firearms and hunting issues. Zogby questions interestingly examine differences in thinking between people living in the states that voted for George Bush in 2000 (Red states) and Al Gore (Blue states).

Q: Do you agree or disagree that American firearm manufacturers who sell a legal product that is not defective should be allowed to be sued if a criminal uses their products in a crime?

Voters in both Red and Blue states strongly oppose such lawsuits?74% of the former and 72% of the latter. In fact, a majority in every demographic group opposed the lawsuits; the most strongly opposed, at 83%, were current members of the military and their families.

Q: Currently 36 states have laws that allow residents to qualify for a permit to carry a firearm to protect themselves if they pass a background check, if they participate in firearms training and pay a fee to cover administrative costs. Do you feel this is a good law or a bad law?

Voters overwhelming favor these self-protection laws by a margin of 79% to 18%. Right-to-Carry drew better than 70% support in every demographic group, with even non-gun owners indicating their backing by 73% to 23%.

Q: Which of the following two statements regarding gun control comes closer to your own opinion? Statement A: There needs to be new and tougher gun control legislation to help in the fight against gun crime; Statement B: There are enough laws on the books. What is needed is better enforcement of current laws regarding gun control.

By a better than two-to-one margin?66% to 31%?voters nationwide agreed with Statement B. Only self-identified liberals called for more laws, by a 53% to 44% margin. Moderates solidly favored better enforcement, 62% to 34%.

Q: Do you agree the NRA is right to fight gun control on both the federal and state levels?

NRA's support stood at 64%, with a party affiliation breakdown showed Democrats siding with NRA 54% to 42% and Republicans 73% to 22%.

Q: Which of the follow statements comes closer to your opinion? Statement A: Killing wild animals for food or sport is an American tradition and an essential part of wildlife management. Statement B: Hunting is a cruel sport and should be outlawed.

Statement A was chosen by of 92% of gun owners and 73% of non-gun owners.

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National Rifle Association's Influence Understated

In a poll of 1002 registered voters, Zogby International, a non-partisan polling firm, asked respondents if they or anyone in their household were members of the National Rifle Association (NRA). 10% of all respondents indicated that someone in their household was a NRA member.

"While NRA's actual membership is between 3.5 and four million, more than 10 million Americans consider themselves or one of their family members to be NRA members."
 

chess9

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WKAbel23:

Hey! Stop correcting my posts!! :) Even when they are wrong, they are right, except maybe this time....

:)

-Robert