Any CCIE's in the house?
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I've passed the written but failed the lab some time ago. I studied for over a year/lab work, etc.
Rule of thumb is 5 years hard core experience and one year of lab practice.
there are a large number of CCIEs out of work right now and many are taking 50K jobs.
Out of all the CCIE's I know, most of them had an average of 5 years, like Spidey said.
And yes it's true, some of the CCIE's I know are out of the job now, however an equal number are still employed and raking in the dough. Oddly, most of the ones that are still employed work for Telco's. Take that for what its worth.
And yes it's true, some of the CCIE's I know are out of the job now, however an equal number are still employed and raking in the dough. Oddly, most of the ones that are still employed work for Telco's. Take that for what its worth.
I'm not trying to brag but I know my sh!t. Been in it for 10+ years.
know other extremely smart guys (we can think up convergence times in our heads based on topology and timers), can switch between any network technology out there (ethernet is only one remember.)
And they had trouble. Its not for the faint of heart.
I'm seriously thinking of switching directions and going for CCIE-security. Its hard though because I've been building my business knowledge so much over the last 5 years that you lose touch with the hardcore architect side.
tough to do both.
cheers!
:beer:
know other extremely smart guys (we can think up convergence times in our heads based on topology and timers), can switch between any network technology out there (ethernet is only one remember.)
And they had trouble. Its not for the faint of heart.
I'm seriously thinking of switching directions and going for CCIE-security. Its hard though because I've been building my business knowledge so much over the last 5 years that you lose touch with the hardcore architect side.
tough to do both.
cheers!
:beer:
That's what I'm going for. CCIE - Security and my CISSP. I've been in the business since I was 17, will be 21 in a couple months, so just about 4 years. I figure I'll have my CCSP or CCNP (one of the two) before Im done with college in a couple years. By the time I'm done with college I'll have 6 years under my belt, hopefully 2 of which will be as an intern for a major hospital (6,000+ nodes, a complete L4 switched environment...they've apparently done OSPF like you wish to do also Spidey), I'll find out if that will come to be by this fall - paid internship and a full ride through the rest of college, plus a garunteed job when I'm done, yeah baby! So far I'm at the top of the list.
My goal is to have my CISSP within 2 years of having graduated college, and my CCIE - Security (unless something better is out) by the time I'm 25.
My goal is to have my CISSP within 2 years of having graduated college, and my CCIE - Security (unless something better is out) by the time I'm 25.
Not yet I dont...but give me time and I will.
We just went through OSPF in a network admin class I'm taking (it's equiv to CCNP - Advanced Routing) where we setup an OSPF network between 5 routers, and injected the routes into RIP for distribution to a legacy router. Pretty easy stuff.
I talk to the instructor of the class a lot, she and I WANT to get into things like BGP injection into OSPF, and OSPF in L3 switching to replace STP. However, a lot of the students had a bad prof for the pre-req to this class and STILL dont have subnetting down 100%, so theres no way they'll get any of this other stuff. I might get into it with her 1 on 1. Because, frankly, static routing, RIP, basic OSPF, and floating static routes are easy stuff. At the rate we're going, that's all we're going to get to cover.
If I have any questions, I'll definitely start a new thread and post em. Thanks!
We just went through OSPF in a network admin class I'm taking (it's equiv to CCNP - Advanced Routing) where we setup an OSPF network between 5 routers, and injected the routes into RIP for distribution to a legacy router. Pretty easy stuff.
I talk to the instructor of the class a lot, she and I WANT to get into things like BGP injection into OSPF, and OSPF in L3 switching to replace STP. However, a lot of the students had a bad prof for the pre-req to this class and STILL dont have subnetting down 100%, so theres no way they'll get any of this other stuff. I might get into it with her 1 on 1. Because, frankly, static routing, RIP, basic OSPF, and floating static routes are easy stuff. At the rate we're going, that's all we're going to get to cover.
If I have any questions, I'll definitely start a new thread and post em. Thanks!
generally you use OSPF as your IGP and then establish IBGP neighbors across it. OSPF or IS-IS is your interior protocol.
BGP is your exterior protocol.
the more you can keep them separated the better.
BGP is your exterior protocol.
the more you can keep them separated the better.
Kadarin
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It pisses me off when I hear stuff like this. You pay how much for a class, only to be held back on your acquisition of skills and experience thanks to the (lack of) abilities of others. And true enough about static routing, RIP, (basic) OSPF being easy stuff.
Yup. Pisses me off too. 1,100 bucks for that class. They gave me credit for the pre-req class because I have my CCNA, but they wouldn't give me credit for this one.
OSPF is the only real thing I've gotten out of that class. Everything else I'd already had experience with. If we get into BGP, and IS-IS that will be stuff I havent had exposure to.
One thing I do like about it, although it does not justify the overall waste of money, nor should I be doing this since I am student, but since I knew so much going into the class I get to help teach the more advanced groups of students while our Prof focuses on pounding this CCNA-level crap into the heads of the others. Teaching really does help you to better understand things and reinforce what you already know. Thats one of the reasons I like forums.
OSPF is the only real thing I've gotten out of that class. Everything else I'd already had experience with. If we get into BGP, and IS-IS that will be stuff I havent had exposure to.
One thing I do like about it, although it does not justify the overall waste of money, nor should I be doing this since I am student, but since I knew so much going into the class I get to help teach the more advanced groups of students while our Prof focuses on pounding this CCNA-level crap into the heads of the others. Teaching really does help you to better understand things and reinforce what you already know. Thats one of the reasons I like forums.
LOL, I really need to invest in a Cisco router so I can learn the IOS. You can't learn commands from book
Nope, not a CCIE yet. Once I get settled into my new teaching gig, I'll probably take the written, crunch for a while on the home rack, then take a shot a the Lab.
NA, NP, DA, DP, CQS Wireless FE, CQS Wireless SE, LRE, BB, CQS Public Access Specialist. MCNE (expired), and some others ... ending somewhere around "Certified and Authorized to Repair IBM PCs" in 83/84 ... somewhere around there.
Actually, I've been avoiding CCIE. I prefer to be "General."
Now that I'm a Technical Instructor, I'll probably have to pick up some Microsoft paper too :disgust:. So says the upper chain-of-command.
Actually, I think I'd prefer an RCDD of one type or another.
Beats working for a living, I s'pose.
FWIW
Scott
NA, NP, DA, DP, CQS Wireless FE, CQS Wireless SE, LRE, BB, CQS Public Access Specialist. MCNE (expired), and some others ... ending somewhere around "Certified and Authorized to Repair IBM PCs" in 83/84 ... somewhere around there.
Actually, I've been avoiding CCIE. I prefer to be "General."
Now that I'm a Technical Instructor, I'll probably have to pick up some Microsoft paper too :disgust:. So says the upper chain-of-command.
Actually, I think I'd prefer an RCDD of one type or another.
Beats working for a living, I s'pose.
FWIW
Scott
cisco has other certifcations
CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, CCDP
Also cisco qualified specialist (CQS)
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/learning/index.html
CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, CCDP
Also cisco qualified specialist (CQS)
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/learning/index.html
CCNA, CCNP, CCDA, CCDP ....
BB - Broadband, LRE - Long Range Ethernet, FE - Field Engineering
CQS = Cisco Qualified Specialist. Not a "Professional" or "Associate" program, but specialization within whatever category you happen to be in. It's a one test add-on kinda thing. There are CQS certs for everything from Broadband to VoIP, usually paired into "Support" (Troubleshooting/repair), "Design," and "Sales."
Here's the Link
RCDD is a program by BICSI (www.bicsi.org) for cabling knowledge. A full-up RCDD is comparable in many ways to CCIE. The scope is every kind of cabling, NEC, and all things associated with design and installation of cabling systems. There are some specialized programs like RCDD-LAN that are narrower in scope.
The plaque I have over my desk is for "Kalpana Certified EtherSwitch Engineer" ("CEE"). It's a stylin' plaque; lots of little swirls & patterns & stuff. Most people these days never heard of Kalpana (they "invented" Ethernet Switching. Cisco Bought 'em ~ 8 years ago).
I got boxes of certs ... something like 8-10 pounds of certs. Once companies saw how much money Novell made from training & certification, everybody came up with their own certification program. After 20 years or so in the business, it's just so much wallpaper.
While I still have a fair amount of respect for the CCIEs, I've interviewed a few (three over the course of a week) for jobs that didn't understand things like ARP and other fundemental networking concepts (they were "Boot Campers" and Crash Course grads). We didn't hire 'em.
Anyway, this year, the goals are: MCSE (Exchange and SQL elective - helpful for VoIP support), CISSP (or whatever is current), some additional CQS (Security and Content), A shot at the CCIE or two, and RCDD-LAN.
FWIW
Scott
BB - Broadband, LRE - Long Range Ethernet, FE - Field Engineering
CQS = Cisco Qualified Specialist. Not a "Professional" or "Associate" program, but specialization within whatever category you happen to be in. It's a one test add-on kinda thing. There are CQS certs for everything from Broadband to VoIP, usually paired into "Support" (Troubleshooting/repair), "Design," and "Sales."
Here's the Link
RCDD is a program by BICSI (www.bicsi.org) for cabling knowledge. A full-up RCDD is comparable in many ways to CCIE. The scope is every kind of cabling, NEC, and all things associated with design and installation of cabling systems. There are some specialized programs like RCDD-LAN that are narrower in scope.
The plaque I have over my desk is for "Kalpana Certified EtherSwitch Engineer" ("CEE"). It's a stylin' plaque; lots of little swirls & patterns & stuff. Most people these days never heard of Kalpana (they "invented" Ethernet Switching. Cisco Bought 'em ~ 8 years ago).
I got boxes of certs ... something like 8-10 pounds of certs. Once companies saw how much money Novell made from training & certification, everybody came up with their own certification program. After 20 years or so in the business, it's just so much wallpaper.
While I still have a fair amount of respect for the CCIEs, I've interviewed a few (three over the course of a week) for jobs that didn't understand things like ARP and other fundemental networking concepts (they were "Boot Campers" and Crash Course grads). We didn't hire 'em.
Anyway, this year, the goals are: MCSE (Exchange and SQL elective - helpful for VoIP support), CISSP (or whatever is current), some additional CQS (Security and Content), A shot at the CCIE or two, and RCDD-LAN.
FWIW
Scott
Yes, there is at least one in the house. I've had my number for almost 3 years now... My sole experience with the lab was in San Jose, and it was the of the old fashioned two day version. A day of IP, no sleep for the night, nervousness for seeing "the booklet" at your station, wierd stuff for the morning, a troubleshooting session in the afternoon and the pleasure of instant feedback at the end of it all. There's nothing quite as exciting as having the thrill of passing that damned lab. Of course, its not like that now, with the one day session. I was definitely a "brash young turk" when I passed it, considering I had been out of college for all of a whole year. So its possible to do it young, Boscoh.
Just goes to show that it's not always just the certification that gets ya the job. That's why it's important to get the experience, then get the cert to back up your knowledge - if you want/need it.
I obtained my CCNA after some time in the Air Force. It was nice to be able to verify my experience. I might judge my experience to at more of a CCNP/CCDP level. Though, It was not until I earned my 4 year degree that I was able to line up some positions with the Government for that date when my enlistment is up. Anything evolved with Government work has a set of criteria that must be met. Often 4 year degrees go before Certs and often valid security clearances trump all.
To be honest CCNA proved more of a hindrance for the level of job I was seeking. It was not until I placed a generic 'Cisco Certified' and buried my certification level in my resume under the practical experience I obtained did I begin getting hits from my resume that was posted on Monster.
To be honest CCNA proved more of a hindrance for the level of job I was seeking. It was not until I placed a generic 'Cisco Certified' and buried my certification level in my resume under the practical experience I obtained did I begin getting hits from my resume that was posted on Monster.
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the CCNA has been scared by the "crash Course" and "boot camp" classes that basicly teach the test, nothing more, nothing less. yes you have to have experiance but you can't get a CCNP without a CCNA so its a stepping stone, and my bet is that you probably won't get your CCNP for some time after you get your CCNA. as for it being a hinderence if you can't back up your knowlage in an interview yes, if you can it can only reinforce your position. as for what level you think your at on a certification scale the only way for anyone to know that is for you to get the cert. so if your a CCNA but you think you've got what it takes to be a CCNP, at the end of the day, you don't have the paper behind it and your still a CCNA. kinda a put up or shut up situation.
that being said cisco certs arn't the middle of the universe when it comes to certs. however it is an accepted benchmark.
that being said cisco certs arn't the middle of the universe when it comes to certs. however it is an accepted benchmark.
I dont buy into that at all. Anyone can get a CCNP by reading books or going to a boot camp, not everyone can be a competent network engineer.
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