Antigay Scottish Cardinal Admits to Inappropriate Sexual Conduct

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Cardinal Keith O'Brien, who has been accused of inappropriate conduct with four men, today admitted his behavior 'has fallen below the standards' expected of him.

Cardinal Keith O’Brien, who resigned last week as the head of the Roman Catholic Church in Scotland, has admitted to inappropriate sexual behavior earlier in his career, a week after allegations surfaced involving three young priests and a seminarian.

“I wish to take this opportunity to admit that there have been times that my sexual conduct has fallen below the standards expected of me as a priest, archbishop and cardinal,” O’Brien, who is noted for his antigay remarks, said in a statement posted online today, The New York Times reports. He also offered an apology and said he will play no further public role in the church.

Last weekend The Observer, a U.K. newspaper, reported on allegations of inappropriate sexual conduct with the four men, with the earliest instance occurring in 1980. “The first was a seminarian when Cardinal O’Brien, then a priest, served as a powerful supervisory figure in two Scottish seminaries, the Times reports. “The others were young priests; it is not clear exactly when in the 1980s they say they were subject to his unwanted advances.”

During the papacies of John Paul II and Benedict XVI, O’Brien took an ultraconservative stance on homosexuality, the paper reports. “Abandoning the relatively tolerant approach to the issue he had adopted in the years before he donned a cardinal’s red hat, he condemned homosexuality as immoral, and as a ‘grotesque subversion,’” the Times notes.

He is the highest-ranking figure in the Roman Catholic Church to admit to sexual misconduct in recent years.

More hypocrisy from the administration of the Catholic church. No other organization could get away with this level of sexual abuse and scandal... and it is incredibly sick that they can survive it.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Why is it that gay priests are involved in so many more scandals?

People love a scandal. They love a sex scandal more. They love a sex scandal with religion involved more still. They love a sex scandal with religion and gays and hypocrisy rolled up into one even more.

Not saying that what he did was right. He's getting the fame, or infamy, he deserves, but it's always going to make front pages when someone like this gets caught. It sells, and that's why you hear about it more. It's not about numbers.
 

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Because its not a scandal if 2 normal gay guys have sex with each other ^_^

Why is it that those who are the most anti-gay are always caught having gay sex?

Are most vitriolic anti-gay people insecure and hypocritical?
 

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Why is it that those who are the most anti-gay are always caught having gay sex?

Are most vitriolic anti-gay people insecure and hypocritical?
Wasn't there a study on this? The people who claimed to be anti-gay were the most turned on when shown gay porn? It was a weird study.
 

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Conservatism is bubble denial, the home of hypocrisy. Wherever you find conservatism you will find rigidity, self abnegation and self denial. Where you find these you will find sexual perversion of the repressed kind, closeted, ignored. and institutionalized. The spanked bottom is a hungry bottom. Spare not the rod if you like perverted children, you know, kids that grow up happy and mentally flexible.
 

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Why is it that those who are the most anti-gay are always caught having gay sex?

Are most vitriolic anti-gay people insecure and hypocritical?

Or maybe just gay people in general?

Which is why they feel the need to throw parades about their sexuality.

And say that anyone who refuses to recognize their relationship is a homophobic bigot.

:hmm:
 

zsdersw

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Or maybe just gay people in general?

Which is why they feel the need to throw parades about their sexuality.

And say that anyone who refuses to recognize their relationship is a homophobic bigot.

:hmm:

Nice (though obvious) attempt at changing the subject.
 

kage69

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A Scottish, cat version of Ted Haggard, wonderful. Should we take some comfort in that his exercises in abject hypocrisy were with men and not boys?

How does it work in Europe with this? Do they have miracle retreats where the gay is cured in 3 weeks?
 

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Conservatism is bubble denial, the home of hypocrisy. Wherever you find conservatism you will find rigidity, self abnegation and self denial. Where you find these you will find sexual perversion of the repressed kind, closeted, ignored. and institutionalized. The spanked bottom is a hungry bottom. Spare not the rod if you like perverted children, you know, kids that grow up happy and mentally flexible.

So I take it you heard the term "bubble" on MSNBC. You going to switch from brain dead to bubble?
 

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at least this is just good old fashioned hypocrisy and sexual harassment.

pretty small potatoes as far as Church scandals go.
 

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He was also quoted as admitting that the Church's requirement of celibacy is not only "tradition", but not doctrinal. Just for FYI purposes, 1 Timothy 4:1-4 speaks of forbidding to marry as teachings of demons.

No wonder, outlawing marriage probably is the leading cause of these scandals.

Even priests need sexual release...
 

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So I take it you heard the term "bubble" on MSNBC. You going to switch from brain dead to bubble?

No the bubble is just another term for 'altered reality' that is used in the scientific research. It is how minds that are not defective speak in ordinary vernacular about what they all can easily see. It's just like having idiot painted on your forehead. You can't see it yourself, but everybody else can. Sadly, you guys have no idea how comical you are, and I say sadly because it's very healthy to be able to laugh at yourselves. I have a clown avatar for a reason. It's what you see when you look at me because you project.
 

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He was also quoted as admitting that the Church's requirement of celibacy is not only "tradition", but not doctrinal. Just for FYI purposes, 1 Timothy 4:1-4 speaks of forbidding to marry as teachings of demons.

No wonder, outlawing marriage probably is the leading cause of these scandals.

Even priests need sexual release...

Ah yes... all the silly bullshit that religion imposes.
 

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Why is it that those who are the most anti-gay are always caught having gay sex?

Are most vitriolic anti-gay people insecure and hypocritical?

Well, technically speaking, those anti-gay people that were caught having gay sex were already gay to begin with. Out of shame and self hatred, they went a long with the program and probably thought they could repress and even eradicate their homosexuality; but eventually, their true nature could not be contained because men lust, whether after women or other men and that's a hard thing to fight unless you're strong in will..
 

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Well, technically speaking, those anti-gay people that were caught having gay sex were already gay to begin with. Out of shame and self hatred, they went a long with the program and probably thought they could repress and even eradicate their homosexuality; but eventually, their true nature could not be contained because men lust, whether after women or other men and that's a hard thing to fight unless you're strong in will..

Except for there seems to be an overwhelming problem with Catholic priests lusting after boys/men.
 

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Well, technically speaking, those anti-gay people that were caught having gay sex were already gay to begin with. Out of shame and self hatred, they went a long with the program and probably thought they could repress and even eradicate their homosexuality; but eventually, their true nature could not be contained because men lust, whether after women or other men and that's a hard thing to fight unless you're strong in will..

... imposed by? Religion and other forms of indoctrination.
 

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Except for there seems to be an overwhelming problem with Catholic priests lusting after boys/men.

Should we be surprised? Catholic priests are prohibited from marrying, so the priesthood would not be very attractive for heterosexual men.

For homosexual men however, it would be. Not only does becoming a Priest give you a measure of status and gravitas, but by becoming ordained, they have the ultimate cover for their sexuality.

Mom and dad can no longer bother them about finding a "nice girl" to settle down with, since Priests can't become married.

What they do have though, is a single sex environment with plenty of "targets."

Given all of this, it's no wonder why the Priesthood attracts so many gay men..
 

Carfax83

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... imposed by? Religion and other forms of indoctrination.

This is half true. Shame and homosexuality has always been intertwined, long before the advent of Christianity and other major religions.

The shame comes from being abnormal, more than anything else.