Antifa just doxxed hundreds of neo-Nazis

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mect

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I wasn't saying that at all.

I disagree with both groups. I think both Antifa and Neo Nazi alike are two sides of the same coin. I hold them to the same standard. But what I was attempting to say, and apparently I either did not explain it well: Is that when we get into a time where it's ok to ruin the lives of those who you disagree with politically, it's really a bad state of affairs. When the gloves come off, things will get dirty. Is that really where Antifa wants to go? Payback will be a bitch. Wanting to escalate the situation is going to backfire at some point. To me that doesn't sound wise. Antifa might doxx today, but the Neo Nazi's will run them over again at some point because of it. /shrug. Keep fighting the good fight though. But I won't b e crying next time an Antifa is run over or a rain of bullets comes crashing down. As far as the Neo Nazi's. the same applies to them.
A group that supports white supremacy and a group that opposes fascism are two sides to the same coin? It doesn't surprise me that you won't be sad when people fighting against fascism are killed.
 

cytg111

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I wasn't saying that at all.

I disagree with both groups. I think both Antifa and Neo Nazi alike are two sides of the same coin. I hold them to the same standard. But what I was attempting to say, and apparently I either did not explain it well: Is that when we get into a time where it's ok to ruin the lives of those who you disagree with politically, it's really a bad state of affairs. When the gloves come off, things will get dirty. Is that really where Antifa wants to go? Payback will be a bitch. Wanting to escalate the situation is going to backfire at some point. To me that doesn't sound wise. Antifa might doxx today, but the Neo Nazi's will run them over again at some point because of it. /shrug. Keep fighting the good fight though. But I won't b e crying next time an Antifa is run over or a rain of bullets comes crashing down. As far as the Neo Nazi's. the same applies to them.

Meh. Oust the whistle blower much? Anyway, expose it all, expose them all, let god sort em out. If the critter creatures wants to play that game, lets see the laundry all around.
 
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I wasn't saying that at all.

I disagree with both groups. I think both Antifa and Neo Nazi alike are two sides of the same coin. I hold them to the same standard. But what I was attempting to say, and apparently I either did not explain it well: Is that when we get into a time where it's ok to ruin the lives of those who you disagree with politically, it's really a bad state of affairs. When the gloves come off, things will get dirty. Is that really where Antifa wants to go? Payback will be a bitch. Wanting to escalate the situation is going to backfire at some point. To me that doesn't sound wise. Antifa might doxx today, but the Neo Nazi's will run them over again at some point because of it. /shrug. Keep fighting the good fight though. But I won't b e crying next time an Antifa is run over or a rain of bullets comes crashing down. As far as the Neo Nazi's. the same applies to them.

Pure ignorance. Sad.
 
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UNCjigga

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More elected neo-Nazis getting exposed, this time in Washington State and Idaho. Hey Nazis, if you’re gonna have a super-secret Signal group chat, make sure those invited aren’t sharing their credentials with journalists!

 

woolfe9998

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More elected neo-Nazis getting exposed, this time in Washington State and Idaho. Hey Nazis, if you’re gonna have a super-secret Signal group chat, make sure those invited aren’t sharing their credentials with journalists!


Holy shit, that guy was the number 3 repug in the House?

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Good, hope they keep it up and people start to see that these fuckers that they think are just being hyperbolic to play the politics game are actually likely crazier and shittier than they actually realize (meaning, their tough rhetoric on immigrants isn't talk, and that they actually are full blown white supremacists who genuinely wish we'd start full blown death camps for pretty much the same groups the Nazis did).

I hope this is just the start of rooting these fuckers out, kinda like MeToo movement started outing the rampant sexual misconduct. Granted we'll keep getting the "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil" circus monkeys trying to claim this stuff isn't real, but the more people wake up to the reality of what's been happening, the less easy it will be for them to do so.

Which, this is something we need to deal with. Like the recent documentary on the John Demjanjuk situation highlighted, America let a lot of Nazis in, not just strategic ones like Wernher Von Braun either, and we let them in knowing who they were and what they did, because we valued their anti-Soviet sentiment. There's an inherent legacy to that. In many ways, I think the world is still dealing with the Nazis. Kinda like how the Civil War, we didn't really end things there. Hell, I think its played a major role in Russia/Ukraine, that people don't properly comprehend, which is how those two places ended up like they have.
 

zinfamous

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I wonder if one of our resident republicans will ever get around to actually admitting that republicans have a very real, and very serious Nazi problem in their party. Do you think at least one of them can manage that, in a simple statement, without trying to build a house of straw at the same time?

Imagine if that were to ever happen!
 

zinfamous

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Greenman

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I wonder if one of our resident republicans will ever get around to actually admitting that republicans have a very real, and very serious Nazi problem in their party. Do you think at least one of them can manage that, in a simple statement, without trying to build a house of straw at the same time?

Imagine if that were to ever happen!
Is there some method by which the GOP could expel the Nazis? Could they require background checks for anyone wanting to register as republican?
I know a few republicans, none of them condone nazisim, none of them want to be associated with Nazis.
You enjoy making that connection because you believe it taints every republican. But couldn't that association be made on a larger scale? Aren't those republican Nazis also american citizens? Wouldn't it be every bit as valid to say america has a Nazi problem?

I understand the desire to feel superior, to believe that you're better than others, but when that desire turns to the active promotion of hate it becomes a sickness. Nazis, Klansmen, skinheads, all of those groups are a minority, they use hate as a tool to make themselves feel superior, but the only people they're fooling is themselves.
 

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Is there some method by which the GOP could expel the Nazis? Could they require background checks for anyone wanting to register as republican?
I know a few republicans, none of them condone nazisim, none of them want to be associated with Nazis.
You enjoy making that connection because you believe it taints every republican. But couldn't that association be made on a larger scale? Aren't those republican Nazis also american citizens? Wouldn't it be every bit as valid to say america has a Nazi problem?

I understand the desire to feel superior, to believe that you're better than others, but when that desire turns to the active promotion of hate it becomes a sickness. Nazis, Klansmen, skinheads, all of those groups are a minority, they use hate as a tool to make themselves feel superior, but the only people they're fooling is themselves.

I agree 100% with your last paragraph, but at the same time, the Republicans could do a lot more to condemn those 'very fine people' among them. Or at least do something besides pretending they don't exist.
 

IronWing

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Is there some method by which the GOP could expel the Nazis? Could they require background checks for anyone wanting to register as republican?
I know a few republicans, none of them condone nazisim, none of them want to be associated with Nazis.
You enjoy making that connection because you believe it taints every republican. But couldn't that association be made on a larger scale? Aren't those republican Nazis also american citizens? Wouldn't it be every bit as valid to say america has a Nazi problem?

I understand the desire to feel superior, to believe that you're better than others, but when that desire turns to the active promotion of hate it becomes a sickness. Nazis, Klansmen, skinheads, all of those groups are a minority, they use hate as a tool to make themselves feel superior, but the only people they're fooling is themselves.
When nazis run on the Republican ticket and get tens of thousands of votes, the Republicans have a nazi problem. If a nazi ran on the Republican ticket and got just a few votes, one could reasonably say that the Republicans don't have a nazi problem. With the leader of the Republican Party (Trump) pandering to nazis and the Republican nazis getting tens of thousands of votes, the Republican Party clearly is the party of choice for modern American nazis and the party clearly likes it this way.
 
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Is there some method by which the GOP could expel the Nazis? Could they require background checks for anyone wanting to register as republican?
I know a few republicans, none of them condone nazisim, none of them want to be associated with Nazis.
You enjoy making that connection because you believe it taints every republican. But couldn't that association be made on a larger scale? Aren't those republican Nazis also american citizens? Wouldn't it be every bit as valid to say america has a Nazi problem?

I understand the desire to feel superior, to believe that you're better than others, but when that desire turns to the active promotion of hate it becomes a sickness. Nazis, Klansmen, skinheads, all of those groups are a minority, they use hate as a tool to make themselves feel superior, but the only people they're fooling is themselves.

I agree that most Republicans don't like Nazis. The problem, however, is that modern GOP policies (especially under Trump) have a tendency to attract neo-Nazis, and the party has a demonstrated reluctance to deal with white supremacists in its ranks. It took how many years for Republicans to publicly chastise Steve King despite his long, demonstrated history of overtly racist sentiments? If the party rejected racism outright, it would demand King's immediate resignation from office.

Instead, there's a passive-aggressiveness where the GOP is willing to tolerate a degree of racism so long as it's contained in thinly veiled language or insincere "what I meant was..." denials. And there's a degree of hypocrisy -- GOP members will pay token compliments to MLK one day and blast black NFL players for protesting the next, as if civil disobedience in the name of equality is only allowed if you're dead and thus 'out of the way.' I don't doubt that there are many Republican supporters who are better than that, but they keep voting for a party that isn't.
 

ch33zw1z

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Meh, I'm not a big fan of doxxing, but I'm really not a fan of Nazis ideology, so oh well.
 

ch33zw1z

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I agree 100% with your last paragraph, but at the same time, the Republicans could do a lot more to condemn those 'very fine people' among them. Or at least do something besides pretending they don't exist.

I think they should talk about antifa more
 

cytg111

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Is there some method by which the GOP could expel the Nazis? Could they require background checks for anyone wanting to register as republican?
I know a few republicans, none of them condone nazisim, none of them want to be associated with Nazis.
You enjoy making that connection because you believe it taints every republican. But couldn't that association be made on a larger scale? Aren't those republican Nazis also american citizens? Wouldn't it be every bit as valid to say america has a Nazi problem?

I understand the desire to feel superior, to believe that you're better than others, but when that desire turns to the active promotion of hate it becomes a sickness. Nazis, Klansmen, skinheads, all of those groups are a minority, they use hate as a tool to make themselves feel superior, but the only people they're fooling is themselves.

Comeon ... In what party would a fine nazi wannabe individual have an actual shot at power? You are a Nazi, choose a party. Thats right. The party of Trump. I know you'd like to think of R another way .. but those days are gone. Its Trumps shitshow now.
 

zinfamous

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Is there some method by which the GOP could expel the Nazis? Could they require background checks for anyone wanting to register as republican?
I know a few republicans, none of them condone nazisim, none of them want to be associated with Nazis.
You enjoy making that connection because you believe it taints every republican. But couldn't that association be made on a larger scale? Aren't those republican Nazis also american citizens? Wouldn't it be every bit as valid to say america has a Nazi problem?

I understand the desire to feel superior, to believe that you're better than others, but when that desire turns to the active promotion of hate it becomes a sickness. Nazis, Klansmen, skinheads, all of those groups are a minority, they use hate as a tool to make themselves feel superior, but the only people they're fooling is themselves.

well, there's the straw. None of that reflects my question. It was just a simple thought that only expected a simple response...but yes, this response was exactly what I expected.

You still refuse to acknowledge the seriousness of the problem, which you take as license to invent "solutions" that are impossible, so just keep ignoring it.
 

zinfamous

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I agree that most Republicans don't like Nazis. The problem, however, is that modern GOP policies (especially under Trump) have a tendency to attract neo-Nazis, and the party has a demonstrated reluctance to deal with white supremacists in its ranks. It took how many years for Republicans to publicly chastise Steve King despite his long, demonstrated history of overtly racist sentiments? If the party rejected racism outright, it would demand King's immediate resignation from office.

Instead, there's a passive-aggressiveness where the GOP is willing to tolerate a degree of racism so long as it's contained in thinly veiled language or insincere "what I meant was..." denials. And there's a degree of hypocrisy -- GOP members will pay token compliments to MLK one day and blast black NFL players for protesting the next, as if civil disobedience in the name of equality is only allowed if you're dead and thus 'out of the way.' I don't doubt that there are many Republican supporters who are better than that, but they keep voting for a party that isn't.

i'm not sure how accurate this is: remember that the southern racists fled the Democratic party when that party went whole-hog on Civil Rights, and turned the Republican party into the current party where racists and Nazis are given shelter. Hell, some of those ancient assholes still draw breath today. I don't think they dislike Nazis, so much as founded this modern version of the party on discriminatory policies, Nazism, lynching, and just hateful, spiteful, prideful ignorance in all levels of culture.

Do I think all republicans embrace this? Of course not. But the undeniable truth is that this is how the modern Republican party was founded in the mid-late 60s. They haven't changed, at all. These people still exist, and they are younger, and it looks like they are getting worse. A black man president was the worst fucking thing for these people (look at that asshole Nazi in Washington ffs), and now they have their very first white supremacist president that has done nothing but signal very directly to them that he has their backs.

But first, you have to admit the problem. Not a single fucking one of them will do it. Like they they will be blamed for it or something. ...I mean, obviously the failure to address such a systemic problem certainly does lay some fault on the people that continue to perpetuate it through apathy.
 
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Is there some method by which the GOP could expel the Nazis?

They could stop voting for the ones standing for election, they could stop covering up for them and they could stop pretending that they dont exist. They could loudly and unequivocally condemn them without doing a "but both sides" thing. They could stop pandering to them.
 

ch33zw1z

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They could stop voting for the ones standing for election, they could stop covering up for them and they could stop pretending that they dont exist. They could loudly and unequivocally condemn them without doing a "but both sides" thing. They could stop pandering to them.

Sounds like a "no-brainer". If your leader calls them fine people, maybe throw a hissy fit similar to someone calling nazis deplorables.
 
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Meh, I'm not a big fan of doxxing, but I'm really not a fan of Nazis ideology, so oh well.
Nobody will defend Nazis and their ideology, but expect to see laws passed against doxxing when it is actually used to intimidate and harass the upper echelons of America that make the Nazis look like schoolyard bullies at best in the damage they have caused to this country.

Here is one example,


if they are started to be treated like some nobody nazi because of doxxing, will the same liberals defend doxxing or decry it especially if someone is triggered enough to take matters in their own hands Pizzagate style against the sackler family?
 

ch33zw1z

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Nobody will defend Nazis and their ideology, but expect to see laws passed against doxxing when it is actually used to intimidate and harass the upper echelons of America that make the Nazis look like schoolyard bullies at best in the damage they have caused to this country.

Here is one example,


if they are started to be treated like some nobody nazi because of doxxing, will the same liberals defend doxxing or decry it especially if someone is triggered enough to take matters in their own hands Pizzagate style against the sackler family?

plenty of people will and have defended nazis and their ideology.

oh, and you focus on liberals, while conservatives readily support doxxing whenever it suits them. maybe review my post again.
 

brycejones

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Nobody will defend Nazis and their ideology, but expect to see laws passed against doxxing when it is actually used to intimidate and harass the upper echelons of America that make the Nazis look like schoolyard bullies at best in the damage they have caused to this country.

Here is one example,


if they are started to be treated like some nobody nazi because of doxxing, will the same liberals defend doxxing or decry it especially if someone is triggered enough to take matters in their own hands Pizzagate style against the sackler family?

Lordy it’s always the liberals with you. Yet somehow you fail to hold those accountable for the bad acts you supposedly decry.