Antibiotics that target mitochondria effectively eradicate cancer stem cells

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Capt Caveman

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Another way I think about it, I can run around with a scalpel & physically cure everyone from deadly cancer tumors. While the cancer didn't kill them, the brute surgery got them. Let's say I had a advanced robotic surgical tech that can make that possible w/o killing the patient. Also add in tech that can detect cancerous masses smaller than a 1cm.

Would cancer still be an issue that killed millions per year?

That's why I say researchers are dumbasses & biotech shouldn't be for profit.

Beyond clueless
 

Ruptga

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Care to enlighten me as to why I am clueless?

No, we have more important things to do, like scratching our balls.

But it might have something to do with being Texan. That's just a guess I just pulled out of my ass though, I have no proof or even a cogent idea, but you don't seem like the kind of person that minds such things.
 

Capt Caveman

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Care to enlighten me as to why I am clueless?

Based on your comments on scientists and oncologists being dumbasses and your comments on cancer, tell me you have zero clue.

And it would be a waste of time to try and educate and ignorant retard like yourself.
 

Jeff7

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It's also a darn shame that the only places in the entire world where cancer research is done are at for-profit biotech companies in the United States.
 

Sulaco

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Cancer would be already a non-issue if today's researchers weren't dumbasses & biotech companies weren't for profit.

I agree.

Cancer treatment and research should be left to Whole Foods cashiers, mid-level IT monkeys, and the valiant Wikipedia Warriors of the World™ to tackle.

University of California, San Francisco? Johns Hopkins?

Get that weak shit out of here. We've got "Bock" on the case.

I'm sure he can hold a powerful crystal while humming the theme to Fern Gully and it will heal. Right before his shift supervisor tells him to punch back in.

:thumbsup:
 

rudeguy

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And why they have unregulated cell division and disabled cell death can differ greatly between various cancer types - if you make a targeted drug for one cancer type, it's entirely possible it won't work on another because a different mechanism in play. Despite what you seem to believe, research is actually quite difficult and can be quite expensive, just to figure out the basic biology. Add another couple layers as you move onto drug discovery, drug delivery, drug testing... But please, stand over our shoulder and tell us in your 'expert' opinion what we're all doing wrong in our research, because you clearly know better.

About time your welfare payments were put to use!


:p
 

Humpy

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Imagine working at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine. :eek:

I bet there is really low expectations for all the dumbasses hanging around that place.
 
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Imagine working at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine. :eek:

I bet there is really low expectations for all the dumbasses hanging around that place.
The research programs at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine are quite well regarded.
 

CottonRabbit

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Another way I think about it, I can run around with a scalpel & physically cure everyone from deadly cancer tumors. While the cancer didn't kill them, the brute surgery got them. Let's say I had a advanced robotic surgical tech that can make that possible w/o killing the patient. Also add in tech that can detect cancerous masses smaller than a 1cm.

Would cancer still be an issue that killed millions per year?

That's why I say researchers are dumbasses & biotech shouldn't be for profit.

We already have all the capabilities you describe. PET/CT has a resolution of 5 mm for detecting malignant tumors. Surgeons can resect nearly any tumor in any part of the body without killing the patient. Despite the ability to consistently get a 100% complete resection of a tumor as determined microscopically on pathology, a cancer can come back.

Try again.
 
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Funny how people think pharmaceutical companies are not money motivated. Even if they have a better version of something that helps someone who is sick they will wait till the patent is up then release the new version.
 

rudeguy

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Funny how people think pharmaceutical companies are not money motivated. Even if they have a better version of something that helps someone who is sick they will wait till the patent is up then release the new version.

But do you understand that profits are what makes those companies come up with those drugs? If those companies weren't greedy, they wouldn't exist and we wouldn't have any of the drugs that help and save so many people.

I understand that in the perfect world companies would make these drugs without trying to make a profit. But the world isn't perfect and taking money out of this equation would literally cost people their lives.
 

zinfamous

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Someone earlier said there's many different cancers with 1000's of causes; however they all have one thing in common, unregulated cell division. Taxol is effective on the cell division part.

Oh, I get it. It wasn't that "these people aren't as smart as I require them to be," that caused you to "change course" just ahead of medical school.

It's because you think too simply to be an effective biologist, biochemist, or physician. Basically: you are too dumb for science.

Stick to finance, I guess, where all you really need to do is fudge data and flip some coins to convince yourself that you are great with numbers.
 

rudeguy

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I think I know a lot about a lot of different things but I'm going to make a huge confession here:



I don't know how to cure cancer.
 

PokerGuy

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That's why I say researchers are dumbasses & biotech shouldn't be for profit.

Methinks there is definitely dumbassery going on, but it's not on the part of the researchers. I think you're in the lead for dumbest poster of the month so far, but it's still early so don't count your chickens yet. :D

I'm sure the lure of no profit will cause everyone to sink billions more into research to develop effective treatments. :rolleyes:
 

Gibsons

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Another way I think about it, I can run around with a scalpel & physically cure everyone from deadly cancer tumors. While the cancer didn't kill them, the brute surgery got them. Let's say I had a advanced robotic surgical tech that can make that possible w/o killing the patient. Also add in tech that can detect cancerous masses smaller than a 1cm.

Would cancer still be an issue that killed millions per year?

That's why I say researchers are dumbasses & biotech shouldn't be for profit.

Have you met texashiker? Y'all would get along.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Cancer would be already a non-issue if today's researchers weren't dumbasses & biotech companies weren't for profit.

Well if it is SO easy to cure, I'm sure you'll have no problem doing that and raking in billions?

Not really. Almost went into that field, turns out the avg researcher has a ~130 iq. I expected it to be much higher since in finance, most of the guys I work with are in the 130's also.

Finance. L O L.
 
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But do you understand that profits are what makes those companies come up with those drugs? If those companies weren't greedy, they wouldn't exist and we wouldn't have any of the drugs that help and save so many people.

I understand that in the perfect world companies would make these drugs without trying to make a profit. But the world isn't perfect and taking money out of this equation would literally cost people their lives.

Not always. A lot of research is supported by govt grants and funding.
 

DCal430

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Many cancers, don't have tumors that can be found and removed. Sezary Disease and Mycosis Fungodies are a type of lymphoma with malignant white blood cells flowing in your blood and all over skin. There is no tumor to remove.
 

Gibsons

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Many cancers, don't have tumors that can be found and removed. Sezary Disease and Mycosis Fungodies are a type of lymphoma with malignant white blood cells flowing in your blood and all over skin. There is no tumor to remove.

plus leukemias
 

chowderhead

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the group is using cell lines and spheroid forming assays to test different doses of various antibiotics that target mitochondrial development . That is pretty far away from tissues/animals and human trails. Anyway, people use antibiotics all the time in cell culture experiments especially for transfection/selection experiments. It not new to use antibiotics to kill cells. They do theorize a mechanism for the cell kill through the mitochondria.