Anti-whaling activists vs Japan's whalers

[randomint]

summary:

So the Japanese are once again beginning the whale hunt. They plan to kill up to 935 Antarctic minke whales and 10 endangered finback whales. An organization called Sea Shepherd (a Non-profit militant conservation group) and the Greenpeace are going to directly confront the whalers in the Antarctic.

In fact as we speak, the two groups are closing in on the region around Antarctica. The Sea shepherd's two-ship navy contains a ship which engineers have equipped with a solid steel hydraulic ram the purpose of which is to cause enough damage to the whaling ship's hull to make them retreat.

Greenpeace of course is not going to employ violent measures but rather "creative confrontation" as they like to call it which means banners, megaphones and a very animated presence.

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What are your thoughts about this? I personally dont believe the Japanese's claim that it is purely for research purposes. I think it should either be curtailed drastically or stopped completely. i also think that violence can be used as a last resort to resolve disputes under certain conditions of course.

what are your thoughts on this?

 

[FoBoT]

can i get some whale-on-a-stick?
does it taste like chicken?

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[Howard]

Damn whale-eating geezers.

 

[randomint]

discuss dammit discuss! I didn't write all that for nothing! 😉

 

[cheapgoose]

when I go to Japan, I will try some whale meat.

 

[zoiks]

The Japanese never really stopped the whale hunt. They just disguised it as conducting research.

Though they really oughta hunt some whales down in Houston. Lots of big fat ones.

 

[Amused]

The whale hunters should mount a large gun or two on their ship and treat the protesters as pirates.

I would.

Sea Shepherd claims to have sunk ten "pirate whaling" ships since 1979

Yep, you're damn right I would.

 

[RichardE]

I for one hope the Greenpeace ships sink a few of the whale hunting ships.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: RichardE
I for one hope the Greenpeace ships sink a few of the whale hunting ships.

Ah, I see, so it's OK to take human life to protect an animal?

Can I kill you for that burger you ate?

 

[irishScott]

I gotta feeling an arms race is going to start sometime soon.

 

[Conservationist]

I think it's awesome. We're getting closer to global social breakdown and that's a good thing. I hope more environmentalist groups get violent and armed!

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: RichardE
I for one hope the Greenpeace ships sink a few of the whale hunting ships.

Ah, I see, so it's OK to take human life to protect an animal?

Can I kill you for that burger you ate?

In some cases yes. Not all human life is equal.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Conservationist
I think it's awesome. We're getting closer to global social breakdown and that's a good thing. I hope more environmentalist groups get violent and armed!

:roll:

 

[Mermaidman]

There are too many humans on the planet.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: RichardE
I for one hope the Greenpeace ships sink a few of the whale hunting ships.

Ah, I see, so it's OK to take human life to protect an animal?

Can I kill you for that burger you ate?

In some cases yes. Not all human life is equal.

Really? So our Constitution is garbage?

You do realize the danger in your words, no? If YOU feel entitled to decalre one human life worth less than another... then anyone else can do the same.

You are in good company: The KKK, the Nazis, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot... and the list goes on.

 

[ElFenix]

we should enforce the treaty with any means at our disposal

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: RichardE
I for one hope the Greenpeace ships sink a few of the whale hunting ships.

Ah, I see, so it's OK to take human life to protect an animal?

Can I kill you for that burger you ate?

In some cases yes. Not all human life is equal.

Really? So our Constitution is garbage?

You do realize the danger in your words, no? If YOU feel entitled to decalre one human life worth less than another... than anyone else can do the same.

You are in good company: The KKK, the Nazis, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot... and the list goes on.

The republicans, most Americans who say they would rather the Muslims die than there soldiers, most people who would favor having scientists and academic minds live over pedophiles and drug addicts in case such decisions ever had to be made. Yes, good company with the majority of the population who would value certain people's lives over anothers. Again though, as I said, I hope the militant group does sink many of the Japanese vessels and this barbarism is stopped.

 

[Kelvrick]

So how do they kill the whales. Is the whole thing used? If so, I don't have much of a problem with it compared to them cutting the fins of sharks and shoving the bodies back into the water.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: RichardE
I for one hope the Greenpeace ships sink a few of the whale hunting ships.

Ah, I see, so it's OK to take human life to protect an animal?

Can I kill you for that burger you ate?

Where does it say they're trying to take human life? They're trying to damage ships enough so that they will retreat. Lose the ship, lose the ability to whale, and maybe the whalers will go and find some other jobs to do. If they wanted to kill people they'd probably just bring guns and shoot the crew.

 

[imported_Tick]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: RichardE
I for one hope the Greenpeace ships sink a few of the whale hunting ships.

Ah, I see, so it's OK to take human life to protect an animal?

Can I kill you for that burger you ate?

In some cases yes. Not all human life is equal.

Really? So our Constitution is garbage?

You do realize the danger in your words, no? If YOU feel entitled to decalre one human life worth less than another... than anyone else can do the same.

You are in good company: The KKK, the Nazis, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot... and the list goes on.

The republicans, most Americans who say they would rather the Muslims die than there soldiers, most people who would favor having scientists and academic minds live over pedophiles and drug addicts in case such decisions ever had to be made. Yes, good company with the majority of the population who would value certain people's lives over anothers. Again though, as I said, I hope the militant group does sink many of the Japanese vessels and this barbarism is stopped.

You walk a dangerous line. Down that line lies only darkness.

Edit: Also, I don't see the problem with killing whales. Some new research says they aren't much smarter than cows, which makes sense, since they are essentially the cows of the sea.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: RichardE
I for one hope the Greenpeace ships sink a few of the whale hunting ships.

Ah, I see, so it's OK to take human life to protect an animal?

Can I kill you for that burger you ate?

In some cases yes. Not all human life is equal.

Really? So our Constitution is garbage?

You do realize the danger in your words, no? If YOU feel entitled to decalre one human life worth less than another... than anyone else can do the same.

You are in good company: The KKK, the Nazis, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot... and the list goes on.

The republicans, most Americans who say they would rather the Muslims die than there soldiers, most people who would favor having scientists and academic minds live over pedophiles and drug addicts in case such decisions ever had to be made. Yes, good company with the majority of the population who would value certain people's lives over anothers. Again though, as I said, I hope the militant group does sink many of the Japanese vessels and this barbarism is stopped.

No, Americans say they would rather extremists bent on murdering innocent civilians and soldiers die. Americans say people who infringe on the rights of others or threaten their well being should die or be locked away. There is a theme here... can you guess it?

All men are created equal. Too bad you missed that part in civics class.

At any rate, this is insane. Again, can I kill you for eating that burger? Because that is the logical conclusion to your illogic.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: RichardE
I for one hope the Greenpeace ships sink a few of the whale hunting ships.

Ah, I see, so it's OK to take human life to protect an animal?

Can I kill you for that burger you ate?

Where does it say they're trying to take human life? They're trying to damage ships enough so that they will retreat. Lose the ship, lose the ability to whale, and maybe the whalers will go and find some other jobs to do. If they wanted to kill people they'd probably just bring guns and shoot the crew.

If I'm on a ship in the middle of the sea and you try to sink it, you can be DAMN sure I will feel as though my life were in danger. Especially in the North Pacific.

 

[imported_Tick]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: RichardE
I for one hope the Greenpeace ships sink a few of the whale hunting ships.

Ah, I see, so it's OK to take human life to protect an animal?

Can I kill you for that burger you ate?

Where does it say they're trying to take human life? They're trying to damage ships enough so that they will retreat. Lose the ship, lose the ability to whale, and maybe the whalers will go and find some other jobs to do. If they wanted to kill people they'd probably just bring guns and shoot the crew.

If I'm on a ship in the middle of the sea and you try to sink it, you can be DAMN sure I will feel as though my life were in danger. Especially in the North Pacific.

QFT. And the law still says you can shoot pirates in international waters without legal repricussions.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: RichardE
I for one hope the Greenpeace ships sink a few of the whale hunting ships.

Ah, I see, so it's OK to take human life to protect an animal?

Can I kill you for that burger you ate?

In some cases yes. Not all human life is equal.

Really? So our Constitution is garbage?

You do realize the danger in your words, no? If YOU feel entitled to decalre one human life worth less than another... than anyone else can do the same.

You are in good company: The KKK, the Nazis, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot... and the list goes on.

The republicans, most Americans who say they would rather the Muslims die than there soldiers, most people who would favor having scientists and academic minds live over pedophiles and drug addicts in case such decisions ever had to be made. Yes, good company with the majority of the population who would value certain people's lives over anothers. Again though, as I said, I hope the militant group does sink many of the Japanese vessels and this barbarism is stopped.

You walk a dangerous line. Down that line lies only darkness.

Edit: Also, I don't see the problem with killing whales. Some new research says they aren't much smarter than cows, which makes sense, since they are essentially the cows of the sea.

The main difference is the fact that cows can be breed to a sustained population level where we can feed off them without wiping them out. Whereas whaling is at a unsustainable level that will result in the extinction of certain species of whales. When those certain species of whales are depleted other species will than become targets.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: RichardE
I for one hope the Greenpeace ships sink a few of the whale hunting ships.

Ah, I see, so it's OK to take human life to protect an animal?

Can I kill you for that burger you ate?

In some cases yes. Not all human life is equal.

Really? So our Constitution is garbage?

You do realize the danger in your words, no? If YOU feel entitled to decalre one human life worth less than another... than anyone else can do the same.

You are in good company: The KKK, the Nazis, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot... and the list goes on.

The republicans, most Americans who say they would rather the Muslims die than there soldiers, most people who would favor having scientists and academic minds live over pedophiles and drug addicts in case such decisions ever had to be made. Yes, good company with the majority of the population who would value certain people's lives over anothers. Again though, as I said, I hope the militant group does sink many of the Japanese vessels and this barbarism is stopped.

You walk a dangerous line. Down that line lies only darkness.

Edit: Also, I don't see the problem with killing whales. Some new research says they aren't much smarter than cows, which makes sense, since they are essentially the cows of the sea.

The main difference is the fact that cows can be breed to a sustained population level where we can feed off them without wiping them out. Whereas whaling is at a unsustainable level that will result in the extinction of certain species of whales. When those certain species of whales are depleted other species will than become targets.

It's really sad that you are still arguing in favor of this. Just remember when someone wants to kill or threaten you for doing something they find offensive, you have no moral defense.