Anti-semitism on the rise..? Comments by liberal congress woman, calls for apology from fellow Democrats.

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They said the Mexican immigrants were taking our jobs, not that they are undesirable because they just don't like Mexicans. There is a profound difference.

We don't get to reject the idea of inferring bigotry from context and word choice. Not the left. Sorry.

Are you just trying to be a contrarian? They were saying a lot worse than "these nice Mexican undocumented workers are taking our jobs" so your comparison is not even close to being apt other than it just highlights how its been right wingers consistently spewing this type of bigoted double talk, and we know its double talk because they are sure to reinforce it by saying blatantly bigoted things as well. They'll say horrible shit then when called on it start raging about how "why can't we talk about illegal immigration?" when its because they've shown they can't without being bigoted jackasses if not outright psychopaths.

While they're a bit hyperbolic, the analogy of how the Germans (and Russians, and far too many others) treated the Jews and how they have been treating Palestine is not wrong. There's a lot of similarities there, no matter you trying to dismiss them because Israeli government isn't currently planning on ways to exterminate as many of them as possible. The behavior that they have been showing is very often a precursor to that worse genocidal behavior though, which is why it is alarming people. We've seen this behavior enough to be very troubled by it.
 

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Are you just trying to be a contrarian? They were saying a lot worse than "these nice Mexican undocumented workers are taking our jobs" so your comparison is not even close to being apt other than it just highlights how its been right wingers consistently spewing this type of bigoted double talk, and we know its double talk because they are sure to reinforce it by saying blatantly bigoted things as well. They'll say horrible shit then when called on it start raging about how "why can't we talk about illegal immigration?" when its because they've shown they can't without being bigoted jackasses if not outright psychopaths.

While they're a bit hyperbolic, the analogy of how the Germans (and Russians, and far too many others) treated the Jews and how they have been treating Palestine is not wrong. There's a lot of similarities there, no matter you trying to dismiss them because Israeli government isn't currently planning on ways to exterminate as many of them as possible. The behavior that they have been showing is very often a precursor to that worse genocidal behavior though, which is why it is alarming people. We've seen this behavior enough to be very troubled by it.

Considering the things Trump and his demon spawn have said about various races and genocides, he has about as much credibility as a fart in a hurricane.

As for the Mexicans "taking jobs" you can't steal shit laying on the ground that nobody wants. Mexicans aren't "taking" anything. Americans are handing them over literally gift wrapped.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspi...rgias-immigration-law-backfires/#5ece1d4c404a

The Law Of Unintended Consequences: Georgia's Immigration Law Backfires

To forgo a repeat of last year, when labor shortages triggered an estimated $140 million in agricultural losses, as crops rotted in the fields, officials in Georgia are now dispatching prisoners to the state’s farms to help harvest fruit and vegetables.

(Slave labor)

The labor shortages, which also have affected the hotel and restaurant industries, are a consequence of Georgia’s immigration enforcement law, HB 87, which was passed last year. As State Rep. Matt Ramsey, one of the bill’s authors, said at the time, “Our goal is … to eliminate incentives for illegal aliens to cross into our state.”

Now he and others are learning: Be careful what you wish for, because you may get more than you bargained for.

Georgia’s law, similar to those in Alabama, Arizona and a few other states, gives police the authority to demand immigration documentation from suspects when they detain them for other possible violations. The law also makes it more difficult for businesses to hire workers and creates harsher punishments for those who employ or harbor illegal immigrants.

The Pew Hispanic Center estimated that some 425,000 illegal immigrants lived in Georgia when the legislation was passed – seventh highest in the nation. Those numbers are now down, as hoped for, but the state’s economy is paying a heavy price.

The dirty secret that everybody knew was that most of the state’s agricultural workers were immigrants, many of them illegal. Some lived in the state; others migrated with the harvest from southern Florida up to New York and back. Some of the former have moved away, while many of the latter are bypassing Georgia. Without them, according to a University of Georgia study, farmers were about 40 percent short of the number of workers they needed to harvest last year’s crop.

Despite high unemployment in the state, most Georgians don’t want such back-breaking jobs, nor do they have the necessary skills. According to Dick Minor, president of the Georgia Fruit and Vegetable Grower’s Association, immigrants “are pretty much professional harvesters” with many specializing in particular crops.

Workers are paid by volume, with skilled workers typically earning $15 to $20 an hour. Unskilled workers earn much less, which is why most locals don’t want the jobs.

Georgia’s experience is consistent with economic research on immigration. Although many Americans believe immigrants “steal” our jobs and push down our wages, economists find little evidence of that.

Since 1950 the U.S. labor force has roughly doubled in size, but there has been no long-run increase in unemployment. Most economic studies also find little evidence that increased immigration depresses the wages of U.S. workers. At worst, it might push down the wages of high school dropouts, but even there the effect is small.
 

realibrad

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This makes so little sense as to be incoherent. The fact that your logic is dumb should be immediately obvious to you when it boils down to you declaring I cannot criticize a government without criticizing a religious and ethnic group as well, even when it is my explicit intent not to.

If I say 'I dislike what Israel is doing' you're saying that means 'I dislike what Jews are doing?' What about American Jews, which are actually more populous than those in Israel? Do I dislike them too? If not, why? After all, I'm criticizing Jews by criticizing Israeli policies. If I am criticizing them as well why would it hold that I am criticizing people for Israeli policy who have no control over it? Seems awfully mean of me.

Same holds true for Islam. If I criticize Iran or Saudi Arabia by your logic I am criticizing Muslims. As per your logic that in that case I am criticizing all Muslims, meaning I am attacking Indonesia by going after Saudi Arabia.

Take a step back and think about how logically absurd your position is. After doing that, do you wish to revise your declaration that you cannot criticize the state of Israel without criticizing Jews as a racial and ethnic group?

I must confess, I have not been arguing my actual position here. I feel like often people make the argument that I was making where a criticism of a group is a criticism of the individual(s). I was wondering what would happen if I took an opposition position. I was not sure if anyone would realize that the argument I was making was in conflict with all of my previous positions.

Every point you made is spot on about the position. Criticism of Israel is not inherently equivalent of criticism of Jews. It can be that a person uses Israel as a proxy, but, it does not always have to be so. Just as a criticism of Islam and the foundational beliefs is not a criticism of individual Muslims. There is an important difference that I think is worth keeping in mind.
 

SlowSpyder

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Screw that. A race baiting news organisation that pushes a white christian agenda deserves zero credibility for news articles about muslims that paint them in a negative light.

None. Also, you are lying about intent, just like Fox. Stupid bigot.


HER OWN FUCKING WORDS. Not Fox's, HER WORDS. Lefties are working overtime to defend a bigot.
 

Viper1j

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HER OWN FUCKING WORDS. Not Fox's, HER WORDS. Lefties are working overtime to defend a bigot.

You mean like Trumpanzees falling all over themselves to defend Donny's jokes about Indian genocide, grabbing pussies, raping children, assaulting women? You mean those people?

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I see you never answered my other question slowboy.
 

SlowSpyder

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You mean like Trumpanzees falling all over themselves to defend Donny's jokes about Indian genocide, grabbing pussies, raping children, assaulting women? You mean those people?

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I see you never answered my other question slowboy.


Not playing by the PC police rules is different than being a bigot. The Dem here was a bigot.
 

HomerJS

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That is different than saying Israel does evil things and wishing for allah to fix it, as the bigoted Dem lawmaker did.
Not that much different then all African countries being shithole.

All Haitians have AIDS

Calling for the lynching of 5 innocent black teens
 
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realibrad

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Not that much different then all African countries being shithole.

All Haitians have AIDS

Calling for the lynching of 5 innocent black teens

So is it wrong when those are said too, or, are those okay and so is the previous comment?
 

HomerJS

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So is it wrong when those are said too, or, are those okay and so is the previous comment?
Point being righties only want to hold Democrats to decency standards. What she said was stupid because it could easily be spun as anti-Semitic if she meant it or not.
 

realibrad

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Point being righties only want to hold Democrats to decency standards. What she said was stupid because it could easily be spun as anti-Semitic if she meant it or not.

Oh fully agree there. The right's stance on Islam is hypocritical at best.

*to be clear, its stance on condemning Islam vs Judaism.
 

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That is different than saying Israel does evil things and wishing for allah to fix it, as the bigoted Dem lawmaker did.

So, putting an economic blockade on Gaza isn't evil? Expropriating Palestinian land isn't the same? Building roads in the West Bank on Palestinian territory & denying the Pals the use of those roads isn't wrong?

I could go on, but you're obviously brainwashed by the Hasbara trolls. Most of America is.
 
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So, putting an economic blockade on Gaza isn't evil? Expropriating Palestinian land isn't the same? Building roads in the West Bank on Palestinian territory & denying the Pals the use of those roads isn't wrong?

I could go on, but you're obviously brainwashed by the Hasbara trolls. Most of America is.


No, I don't see those examples as evil. I see those as conflicts between two countries and something we should not be part of.
 

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No, I don't see those examples as evil. I see those as conflicts between two countries and something we should not be part of.

The US and Israel don't recognize Palestine as a nation you sentient jelly roll. And as long as the US gives Israel billions of dollars in weapons per year, we are a part of it. Glad to hear that you're on the side of eliminating all defense aid to Israel.
 

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Yep! She did a Donald Trump. "Don't look at what I say, try to figure out what I mean."
Yes and we all know when Trump invited Elizabeth Warren to join him on the "TRAIL" he was no way mocking the Trail of Tears incident.
 

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Yes and we all know when Trump invited Elizabeth Warren to join him on the "TRAIL" he was no way mocking the Trail of Tears incident.


Bullshit. Even Stevie Wonder could see he was dancing on the bodies of 12000 dead Indians.
 

SlowSpyder

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Please. The Pals don't have a country & Israel is making sure they never do.


Sounds like a conflict between those two people, no? Don't get me wrong, I think Israel causes plenty of their own issues, but so do the Palestinians. Both have claims to the territory. They can figure it out, that is their problem.
 

Jhhnn

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Sounds like a conflict between those two people, no? Don't get me wrong, I think Israel causes plenty of their own issues, but so do the Palestinians. Both have claims to the territory. They can figure it out, that is their problem.

Such a dishonest apologist. The Israelis have the Power & they treat the Pals like shit. This is what Israel has been doing for decades behind the lie of "seeking peace" & a "two state solution"-

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-map-of-israeli-settlements-that-shocked-barack-obama
 
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