Anti-semitism on the rise..? Comments by liberal congress woman, calls for apology from fellow Democrats.

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Jhhnn

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It's not even that. Realibrad will constantly enter a thread, latch onto some point that may or may not even be relevant to the topic and never let it go.

In a general sense my point still stands. He's far from the only American so affected.
 

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This is a very pernicious tactic used by people to delegitimize criticism of Israel. It’s shameful.

Here are quotes from The Jewish Press, American weekly newspaper based in Brooklyn, New York, and geared toward the Modern Orthodox Jewish community. They flat out state that much of the criticism of Israel is thinly veiled anti-semitism.

She quoted some of them, noting that “in the first nine months of 2018 alone, more than 500 anti-Semitic acts have been registered in France. Fifty percent of all racist hate crimes are of an anti-Semitic nature, despite the fact that Jews represent less than 1 percent of the entire population.

At the same time, far-left groups across Europe are also fueling the BDS movement that targets Israel. This movement is particularly forceful in Ireland, which is one of Europe’s fiercest critics of Israel and has become the first E.U. country to vote to boycott goods from Israeli settlements. Similarly, many towns and cities across Spain have moved to boycott Israel and Israelis.

In addition to the anti-Semitic threat posed by the far-left and right in Europe, the continent’s growing Muslim community is also taking its own deep-seated brand of anti-Semitism and hate for Israel to the region.

“What many observers are calling ‘the new form of anti-Semitism’ is the hatred against Jews, coming from parts of the Muslim community, often going hand in hand with Islamism. This is particularly true in countries like France, Belgium and Sweden, but also in the U.K.,” said Rodan.

“Today, there is no doubt that manifestations of anti-Semitism are far more violent in Western Europe than they are in Central Europe,” said Rodan. “There is a direct link between the physical insecurity of Jews with the rise of radical Islam in countries like France, Sweden and Belgium. All of the Jews killed on this continent since 2006 were indeed killed by Islamists.”

“The situation for Jews in Europe is dire. The only real escape hatch is aliyah or to immigrate to the United States,” she said. “Europe attempts to manage its anti-Semitism. That is recipe for political and societal disintegration.”

https://www.jewishpress.com/indepth...w-safer-in-the-east-than-the-west/2018/12/09/
 

SlowSpyder

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Criticizing Israeli policy is not anti-semitism.

Ya know what is horrible though? The repeated Republican attempts to make criticizing Israel illegal.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/201...ake-it-a-federal-crime-to-boycott-israel.html

Fail thread is fail. You've actually exposed a very weird and servile issue within the GOP that is attempting to make criticism of a foreign government illegal.


How is this a fail thread, you stupid cuck? Her own party is telling her she is out of line, and she has apologized. Personally, I don't know that what she said was that bad, but she has a history of hate it would seem. But then again, not too surprised that the left today would be ok with her bigotry as long as it fits their narrative. It's a longer, tighter partisan stroke of your own left bent cock to be proud of having a Somali muslim in office, so what if you lose a little lube because she has an anti-Semite history? I admit, the right can be a little touchy when it comes to mixing legit criticism with some things Israel does with bigotry, but... the left holds no advantage here. You can't even broach some subjects with the left (see my war on science thread). And in this case, an argument can be made that she went too far.
 

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Fox front page story now.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/de...-deeply-hurtful-and-offensive-israel-comments

Fellow Democrats, some big names - Nancy Pelosi, Chelsea Clinton, etc., join in call for apology, rep issues apology:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/11/politics/ilhan-omar-aipac-backlash/index.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...r-accused-sending-anti-semitic-tweets-n969946


She inferred that some members of congress are paid to be pro-Israel. I don't know she is totally wrong, but there is a way to go about these subjects, and she could have done better. But, to her credit, this pretty well is what lobbying is today, no?

Shame she didn't tell them to go pound sand. She catches heat, but none of the republicants have a problem with Donny and his demon spawn cracking jokes about genocide.

NewsFlash: The Jews weren't the only ones some people tried to exterminate.
 
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Shame she didn't tell them to go pound sand. She catches heat, but none of the republicants have a problem with Donny and his demon spawn cracking jokes about genocide.

NewsFlash: The Jews weren't the only ones some people tried to exterminate.

But, they were the main group.
 

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How is this a fail thread, you stupid cuck? Her own party is telling her she is out of line, and she has apologized. Personally, I don't know that what she said was that bad, but she has a history of hate it would seem. But then again, not too surprised that the left today would be ok with her bigotry as long as it fits their narrative. It's a longer, tighter partisan stroke of your own left bent cock to be proud of having a Somali muslim in office, so what if you lose a little lube because she has an anti-Semite history? I admit, the right can be a little touchy when it comes to mixing legit criticism with some things Israel does with bigotry, but... the left holds no advantage here. You can't even broach some subjects with the left (see my war on science thread). And in this case, an argument can be made that she went too far.

Projecting again, I see.

There is a small minority of Israel firsters in the Democratic party. You'd know that were you to read the link I posted.

She doesn't have an anti-semitic history. She has an anti-Israel history.

It's amazing how this has been spelled out for you over and over again in this thread, yet you still cannot understand the difference.

Omar faced increasing backlash after suggesting Republican support of Israel is fueled by donations from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a prominent pro-Israel group.
On Sunday, Omar responded to a tweet by journalist Glenn Greenwald that reads, "GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy threatens punishment for @IlhanMN and @RashidaTlaib over their criticisms of Israel. It's stunning how much time US political leaders spend defending a foreign nation even if it means attacking free speech rights of Americans."​
Omar replied, "It's all about the Benjamins baby," followed by a musical notes emoji. Omar has been critical of the Israeli government over its treatment of Palestinians and supported the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, a non-violent activist campaign that aims to put economic and political pressure on Israel over its actions toward Palestinians, including calling for an end to Israeli occupation of the West Bank.​

Nothing she says here is anti-semitic. She accurately called out a pro Israel lobbying group who is demostrably funding pro-Israel politicians here in America. The Israel first lobby is trying to paint that as anti-semitic by linking it to tropes about Jews and money.

But if you cannot point out legitimate funding sources because it's "anti-semitic" you know you're being played.

You're being played. Who's the cuck, cuck?
 

Bitek

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Projecting again, I see.

There is a small minority of Israel firsters in the Democratic party. You'd know that were you to read the link I posted.

She doesn't have an anti-semitic history. She has an anti-Israel history.

It's amazing how this has been spelled out for you over and over again in this thread, yet you still cannot understand the difference.

Omar faced increasing backlash after suggesting Republican support of Israel is fueled by donations from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a prominent pro-Israel group.
On Sunday, Omar responded to a tweet by journalist Glenn Greenwald that reads, "GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy threatens punishment for @IlhanMN and @RashidaTlaib over their criticisms of Israel. It's stunning how much time US political leaders spend defending a foreign nation even if it means attacking free speech rights of Americans."​
Omar replied, "It's all about the Benjamins baby," followed by a musical notes emoji. Omar has been critical of the Israeli government over its treatment of Palestinians and supported the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, a non-violent activist campaign that aims to put economic and political pressure on Israel over its actions toward Palestinians, including calling for an end to Israeli occupation of the West Bank.​

Nothing she says here is anti-semitic. She accurately called out a pro Israel lobbying group who is demostrably funding pro-Israel politicians here in America. The Israel first lobby is trying to paint that as anti-semitic by linking it to tropes about Jews and money.

But if you cannot point out legitimate funding sources because it's "anti-semitic" you know you're being played.

You're being played. Who's the cuck, cuck?

We should all be disturbed about a lobbying group of a foreign country having so much power over our own public figures and policy.
 

Jhhnn

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We should all be disturbed about a lobbying group of a foreign country having so much power over our own public figures and policy.

American politicians know that you can't cross AIPAC. They'll eat you alive.
 

HomerJS

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How is this a fail thread, you stupid cuck? Her own party is telling her she is out of line, and she has apologized. Personally, I don't know that what she said was that bad, but she has a history of hate it would seem. But then again, not too surprised that the left today would be ok with her bigotry as long as it fits their narrative. It's a longer, tighter partisan stroke of your own left bent cock to be proud of having a Somali muslim in office, so what if you lose a little lube because she has an anti-Semite history? I admit, the right can be a little touchy when it comes to mixing legit criticism with some things Israel does with bigotry, but... the left holds no advantage here. You can't even broach some subjects with the left (see my war on science thread). And in this case, an argument can be made that she went too far.
Wait a second didn't you just suggest what she said wasn't bigoted and then in the same paragraph say she is bigoted?

Make up your mind, or a reasonable facsimile thereof.
 

HomerJS

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What's happening here Democrats are holding their own to the highest standards.

Republicans don't give a shit and will overlook all manner of racism and snit-Semitic behavior as long as it keeps their base happy.
 

HomerJS

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Republicans, the party of no moral standards. This tweet says essentially the very same thing.
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And here we have it.

The GOP desperate attempt to equate criticism of Israel and Israeli policy with anti-semitism.

Never mind the fact that none of it is anti-jewish. Merely anti-Israeli policy. But fuck it, why ruin a good trope, right?

Meanwhile, the actual party of "JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US" wants us to believe the other guys are anti-semites...

Its not even really anti-Israel, its anti policy and action of the strongly conservative (and corrupt) Israeli government that openly flipped from supporting what they had signed treaty over (working towards a 2 state solution), by saying they would never let it happen. And that went from actively trying to stop radical Israeli religious person from building settlements on non-Israeli land (they used to full on demolish the structures) to now tacitly supporting those and intentionally trying to seize more land.

And it shouldn't surprise people that Turmp has been framing things very similarly to Bibi with regards to his behavior and attempts at accomplishing similar. (I'm of course talking about "defense of our borders" and demands to build a wall and similar rhetoric and legislative attempts.)

I'd say its pretty baffling, but I think people like Putin, Turmp, and Bibi realized they actually have a lot in common, what that their corruption and self enrichment ideals, so they could overlook stuff like petty ingrained bigotry. If it wasn't so shitty (and symptomatic of how they value their own wealth above all else, including their own countrymen), it'd almost be sweet.
 
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Projecting again, I see.

There is a small minority of Israel firsters in the Democratic party. You'd know that were you to read the link I posted.

She doesn't have an anti-semitic history. She has an anti-Israel history.

It's amazing how this has been spelled out for you over and over again in this thread, yet you still cannot understand the difference.

Omar faced increasing backlash after suggesting Republican support of Israel is fueled by donations from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a prominent pro-Israel group.
On Sunday, Omar responded to a tweet by journalist Glenn Greenwald that reads, "GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy threatens punishment for @IlhanMN and @RashidaTlaib over their criticisms of Israel. It's stunning how much time US political leaders spend defending a foreign nation even if it means attacking free speech rights of Americans."​
Omar replied, "It's all about the Benjamins baby," followed by a musical notes emoji. Omar has been critical of the Israeli government over its treatment of Palestinians and supported the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, a non-violent activist campaign that aims to put economic and political pressure on Israel over its actions toward Palestinians, including calling for an end to Israeli occupation of the West Bank.​

Nothing she says here is anti-semitic. She accurately called out a pro Israel lobbying group who is demostrably funding pro-Israel politicians here in America. The Israel first lobby is trying to paint that as anti-semitic by linking it to tropes about Jews and money.

But if you cannot point out legitimate funding sources because it's "anti-semitic" you know you're being played.

You're being played. Who's the cuck, cuck?

I hate to say it, but you are (the one being played). Because you're trying to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's not intentionally trying to spin this so that he can then claim it as racism/bigotry by the left. He's been doing this for years (every so often one of them will link to a similar situation that they intentionally tried to skew from months - actually often years back, and then will point to it as evidence supporting their claim because they know they and similar minded people won't put in any effort to actually look into it further).

Their new propaganda plan is to just carpet bomb claims about how liberals are in fact all the things that conservatives have been exposed as. And they think just having a bunch of their bullshit claims to point to is enough evidence (because they see other people point to multitude of similar situations to refute their bullshit claims regularly; they know their claims are bullshit but they don't care, they're just trying to ape the way people refute them, without understanding how to actually argue). This is their method of discourse. You see it in all the conservatives lately, and its very noticeable, and because they seem to fundamentally lack the mental facility to understand the underlying logic that informs actual discussion, they just try to skip to the "gotcha" that they think everyone else is operating on all the time.

Which is why you see the Quibbles & Bits try to trot out calling out fallacies when their stupid arguments are refuted - generally by using the actual fallacious argument they claim to be calling out; why slow, pcgeek, texashiker, and glenn just start throwing all the shit they can at the wall to try and make something stick while knowing that just wading through all the shit will obfuscate their points being refuted; and the Quibbler tries to argue anything but the actual topic but desperately tries to find any thread that makes it seem like he is; and Ugly just goes "well I don't believe it" or pulling complete bullshit claims out of his ass.

Wait a second didn't you just suggest what she said wasn't bigoted and then in the same paragraph say she is bigoted?

Make up your mind, or a reasonable facsimile thereof.

He already has made up his mind, but you're not going to enjoy that he believes he can take any (and probably all) positions at once while he internally stays true to whatever one he made up his mind (based on what he was told to think by whatever authority he gets his opinions from), as long as he thinks it will let him claim that you were wrong somehow, its enough to appease the broken logic of his brain and that's all he's looking for. He doesn't want to understand the issues, mostly because he can't and he knows it and knows how stupid he is because of it, but he believes if he just pantomimes what he interprets as legitimate methods of discourse (that he, too, fundamentally doesn't and likely is incapable of, understanding) from other discussions, that makes him every bit as legitimate as anyone else.

I'm not sure if their brains are just that limited naturally, or if there's been some catastrophic environmental issue (kinda like lead) that is actually leading to cognitive breakdown, but there's alarmingly consistent behavior from these people and its exhibiting behavior that would likely be clinically diagnosable as mental impairment. And we can't dismiss it as onset of things like dementia and other issues that are strongly correlated with age, as there's a lot of younger people (but not so young that its due to immaturity of brain development). And I believe there's a pretty diverse environment between them (some are in cities, some rural, different parts of the country, etc) that it'd have to be far reaching (but somehow not affect the majority of people).
 

pmv

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Most US support for Israel is not motivated by money. It's motivated by racism, or, more charitably, by a kind of racial/cultural preference. America has historically favoured Israel because the Israelis are racially and culturally closer to mainstream Americans than are Palestinians and other Arabs. America is not likely to side with the darker-skinned or poorer or culturally-different side of any conflict. One of the biggest problems the Palestinians have is that their spokespeople (with the possible solitary exception of Edward Said) have never been very good at speaking to a Western audience. The Israelis are infinitely better at it, because they are much more familiar with the culture.

There _is_ anti-Semitism on the other side, I can't deny that, I've encountered it (a big reason why I usually stay out of the Israel/Palestine argument). Some anti-Zionism has anti-Semitic roots and the Muslim/Arab world has historically had a negative attitude to Jews (though not as much as Christian Europe).

Typical that the first response on that twitter thread combines accusing Ilhan Omar of anti-Semitism with a blatantly Islamophobic remark. That's the problem I have with the whole argument - half the time when someone condemns anti-Semitism they turn out to themselves be a racist. I hear it all the time, someone will complain angrily about anti-Semitism, then go on to blame it all on those awful Muslims. It happens at least as frequently as the inverse.
 

realibrad

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Most US support for Israel is not motivated by money. It's motivated by racism, or, more charitably, by a kind of racial/cultural preference. America has historically favoured Israel because the Israelis are racially and culturally closer to mainstream Americans than are Palestinians and other Arabs. America is not likely to side with the darker-skinned or poorer or culturally-different side of any conflict. One of the biggest problems the Palestinians have is that their spokespeople (with the possible solitary exception of Edward Said) have never been very good at speaking to a Western audience. The Israelis are infinitely better at it, because they are much more familiar with the culture.

There _is_ anti-Semitism on the other side, I can't deny that, I've encountered it (a big reason why I usually stay out of the Israel/Palestine argument). Some anti-Zionism has anti-Semitic roots and the Muslim/Arab world has historically had a negative attitude to Jews (though not as much as Christian Europe).

Typical that the first response on that twitter thread combines accusing Ilhan Omar of anti-Semitism with a blatantly Islamophobic remark. That's the problem I have with the whole argument - half the time when someone condemns anti-Semitism they turn out to themselves be a racist. I hear it all the time, someone will complain angrily about anti-Semitism, then go on to blame it all on those awful Muslims. It happens at least as frequently as the inverse.

When you say "America has historically favored Israel", what timeline are you talking about?
 

pmv

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When you say "America has historically favored Israel", what timeline are you talking about?

Um, 1948 to the present day?

I'm going to grit my teeth and try and stay out of this. That's been my resolution for a long time, to stay out of Israel/Palestine arguments. Having close family fiercely on opposite sides of that one makes me feel that way. It's not my problem, but for many it' seems like a matter of life-and-death.
 
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Ah, the ole anti antisemitism veiled by saying Israel and not Jews. Its a wonder that hate crime against Jews has gone way up.

The anti-Israel left doesn't acknowledge there is any such thing as dog whistle anti-semitism at all. If you didn't say "Jews" it doesn't matter if you used every common anti-semitic trope in the book. Oh, and it's OK to infer racism against people of color. Nothing explicit ever need to be said.