Anti-semitism on the rise..? Comments by liberal congress woman, calls for apology from fellow Democrats.

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Vic

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Why do you act like no one cares about those other things? You're crating a caricature of reality and then attacking the right as if that caricature is truth. 99.99999% of Republicans are not Nazis. The right is not for shooting up mosques any more than the left is for shooting white people for simply being white. You're thinking with emotion (hate in particular) and not looking at things logically. Go sit in a corner for a while and cool off.

Such amusing lack of self-awareness you have. All you ever do here is exactly what you just accused him of doing, except replace the words 'right' with 'left.'
 

obidamnkenobi

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WTF? Stating the objective fact that the zionist lobby is extremely powerful in US politics is "antisemitism" now?? Then most of Europe is in trouble as blind support of Israel's war crimes is an extreme position, not the mainstream consensus as in the US.

As usual Pelosi and the Dems are spineless dweebs to afraid of being against even the most extreme position for fear of offending anyone, ever. Meanwhile the GOP/Trump has no problem offending every person with half a brain and winning.. Good work folks! That tactic sure is working!!
 

SlowSpyder

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Such amusing lack of self-awareness you have. All you ever do here is exactly what you just accused him of doing, except replace the words 'right' with 'left.'


No, his comment was stupid. Is it wrong to call out politicians for being bigots because bigger and worse acts of racism occur? He falsely tried to suggest that "no one cares, no problem" to people to minimize the leftist bigotry displayed by this Democrat congress woman.
 

obidamnkenobi

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No, his comment was stupid. Is it wrong to call out politicians for being bigots because bigger and worse acts of racism occur? He falsely tried to suggest that "no one cares, no problem" to people to minimize the leftist bigotry displayed by this Democrat congress woman.

Bigotry; that word doesn't mean what you think it means. Pointing out that a lobby group that works to support Israels convinces politicians to support Israel? Uhm, not bigotry, a fact. A rather lame and obvious one at that. This is common knowledge, I don't know why she even bothered saying it.
 
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Vic

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No, his comment was stupid. Is it wrong to call out politicians for being bigots because bigger and worse acts of racism occur? He falsely tried to suggest that "no one cares, no problem" to people to minimize the leftist bigotry displayed by this Democrat congress woman.
You're not calling out a politician for bigotry here. You're falsely conflating a politician's words that are critical of another country's government as being bigoted, and then (in typical Slow fashion) using that intentional misrepresentation as 'evidence' that 'the left is bigoted.'
 

Vic

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BTW, anyone ever looking for an example of creating a caricature of reality and then attacking a group as if that caricature is truth, need look no further than Slow's 'Offended Liberal' thread.
 

woolfe9998

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I'm not Jhhnn. If you want to debate with me, try debating my words and arguments, not someone else's.

Wrong Vic. You first replied to me in this thread, not the other way around, and what you replied to, in turn, was a thread discussion that goes back to page 4 which was entirely about whether comparing the situation in Gaza to Nazi treatment of the Jews was appropriate or not. It was on that narrow topic alone.

Also. I never said they were being slaughtered, I said they were being imprisoned.

No Vic, as I said before, Jhhnn compared Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto. My pointing out that they aren't being slaughtered was in direct reference to refuting the analogy Jhhnn was making. I wasn't arguing that there is nothing bad you can do short of killing someone.


Which they are. So that straw man is yours.

Really? Show me which statement YOU made which I misdescribed. Please be specific. You are extremely confused about the context of my posts which you elected to reply to. Posts which started on page 4 of this thread.

And what crime are they being imprisoned for? For being born a Palestinian in Gaza. Or if you prefer, for not being born a Jew in Israel. Apparently you approve of this, that in the state of Israel, people are not created equal in the eyes of the law.

"Apparently you approve of this"? Really? You got that from me saying, "it isn't the same as the Warsaw Ghetto" eh? Once again, it's the same straw man. I'm apparently not allowed to offer the opinion that Gaza isn't the same as the Warsaw Ghetto without you construing as me saying I approve of everything Israel is doing. No, sorry, you don't get to shove me into whatever ridiculous corner you want me to be in. I get to decide what my opinions are, not you.

And if you dare speak to point out this blatant illiberalism, where some are born to freedom while others are born to bondage, somehow that means you're antisemitic, or so the argument here goes.

Yada yada more sanctimonious lecturing which has no bearing on comments I have made in this thread.

Please do not reply again unless you plan to address my actual points. I have zero interest in debating someone who is arguing with someone else.
 

Vic

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Wrong Vic. You first replied to me in this thread, not the other way around, and what you replied to, in turn, was a thread discussion that goes back to page 4 which was entirely about whether comparing the situation in Gaza to Nazi treatment of the Jews was appropriate or not. It was on that narrow topic alone.



No Vic, as I said before, Jhhnn compared Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto. My pointing out that they aren't being slaughtered was in direct reference to refuting the analogy Jhhnn was making. I wasn't arguing that there is nothing bad you can do short of killing someone.




Really? Show me which statement YOU made which I misdescribed. Please be specific. You are extremely confused about the context of my posts which you elected to reply to. Posts which started on page 4 of this thread.



"Apparently you approve of this"? Really? You got that from me saying, "it isn't the same as the Warsaw Ghetto" eh? Once again, it's the same straw man. I'm apparently not allowed to offer the opinion that Gaza isn't the same as the Warsaw Ghetto without you construing as me saying I approve of everything Israel is doing. No, sorry, you don't get to shove me into whatever ridiculous corner you want me to be in. I get to decide what my opinions are, not you.



Yada yada more sanctimonious lecturing which has no bearing on comments I have made in this thread.

Please do not reply again unless you plan to address my actual points. I have zero interest in debating someone who is arguing with someone else.
You haven't addressed any of my points (just beaten me up over someone else's), so why I should address any of yours?

Look, buddy, it's a fact that, under the current policies of the Israeli govt, Palestinian babies born in Gaza are unlikely to ever be allowed to leave Gaza for their entire lifetimes. That makes Gaza a prison, for people whose only crime is being born. This kind of govt policy is something I disagree with quite strongly. I will not ignore it regardless of how hard you try to make me. Which is what you've been insisting that I and everyone else should do, and specifically what I am speaking to you about

Now, if you like to address what I said there, please feel free. If you want to keep ignoring what I've said and keep ranting about what someone else said, as if I said it, then fuck off.
 

Jhhnn

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You haven't addressed any of my points (just beaten me up over someone else's), so why I should address any of yours?

Look, buddy, it's a fact that, under the current policies of the Israeli govt, Palestinian babies born in Gaza are unlikely to ever be allowed to leave Gaza for their entire lifetimes. That makes Gaza a prison, for people whose only crime is being born. This kind of govt policy is something I disagree with quite strongly. I will not ignore it regardless of how hard you try to make me. Which is what you've been insisting that I and everyone else should do, and specifically what I am speaking to you about

Now, if you like to address what I said there, please feel free. If you want to keep ignoring what I've said and keep ranting about what someone else said, as if I said it, then fuck off.

He's really twitchy about the Warsaw Ghetto reference, huh? I suppose it's too close to the truth to give him any comfort. I figure the only reason Bibi & the radical settlers haven't resorted to mass murder is the context of the times.
 
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woolfe9998

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You haven't addressed any of my points (just beaten me up over someone else's), so why I should address any of yours?

Because you came in and replied to me, ignoring the context of my discussion with other posters.

Look, buddy, it's a fact that, under the current policies of the Israeli govt, Palestinian babies born in Gaza are unlikely to ever be allowed to leave Gaza for their entire lifetimes. That makes Gaza a prison, for people whose only crime is being born. This kind of govt policy is something I disagree with quite strongly. I will not ignore it regardless of how hard you try to make me. Which is what you've been insisting that I and everyone else should do, and specifically what I am speaking to you about

Now, if you like to address what I said there, please feel free. If you want to keep ignoring what I've said and keep ranting about what someone else said, as if I said it, then fuck off.

No, I'm not ranting. You have insinuated yourself into a pre-existing discussion between me and other posters, mis-described my opinions now several times, and you're now demanding I respond to arguments you are making which have nothing to do with what I've been discussing in this thread.

The thread is about anti-semitism in relation to criticisms of Israel. It is my opinion that using the Nazi comparison in this context is factually incorrect and also is a form of Jew baiting. This comparison was made by another poster many pages back and that is what I am discussing here. You OTOH want this to be a discussion not of Jhhnn's Warsaw Ghetto analogy which was literally the only thing I was discussing and make it into a general discussion of Israeli treatment of Palestinians. Sorry, not interested. That discussion involves literally hundreds of relevant historical facts and I have no interest whatsoever in it because it won't ever end.

If you want to know my general opinion, I think Israel's conduct in relation to Gaza has often involved dis-proportionate force being used to counter what is currently a fairly marginal security threat. A legitimate threat, to be sure (rockets), but not one justifying the level of retaliatory response, particularly the 2 ground wars. Also, it's blockade policies are overly harsh under the circumstances and ought to be eased up. However, I do not place all the blame on Israel for the state of affairs the Pals find themselves in. There's blame to go around.

That's all you're getting from me on this because it's a much broader topic than what I'm here to discuss.
 

HomerJS

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Why do you act like no one cares about those other things? You're crating a caricature of reality and then attacking the right as if that caricature is truth. 99.99999% of Republicans are not Nazis. The right is not for shooting up mosques any more than the left is for shooting white people for simply being white. You're thinking with emotion (hate in particular) and not looking at things logically. Go sit in a corner for a while and cool off.
Really? Trump goes nuts on the twitter machine when brown terrorists attack. We all know how many times he's done this. Right wing militias pipe bombed a mosque in Minnesota and nothing.

Clearly Trump thinks the right wing is into mosques being shot up.
 
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Jhhnn

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It needs to be understood that American Zionist groups advocate unflinchingly for the State of Israel. Their advocacy is not dependent on the actions of that govt at all. Israel can do as they please, short of mass murder of the Pals. That's pretty much indisputable.

They also have the money & the power to ruin American politicians who cross them using the Anti-Semite tar brush. They don't care about the truth in that respect, either. In that sense, Omar was correct in her reference to the Benjamins. Notice the way they've set out to destroy her.
 

blankslate

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Israel does cause some of their own problems, but let's not pretend the Palestinians aren't doing the same. This is a conflict zone with two peoples that don't seem to get along very well. Sadly there are going to be incidents on both sides. But that doesn't make for a reason to be a bigot against either group. And here the left has elected and is actively defending a bigot.

Ilhan Omar has not said anything bigoted she has called out a lobbying organization that isn't supported by everyone who is Jewish...

to imply that they are is (imo) stereotyping a population who obviously (but I guess not to you) holds different opinions about Israel's issues with Palestine.


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obidamnkenobi

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Ilhan Omar has not said anything bigoted she has called out a lobbying organization that isn't supported by everyone who is Jewish...

to imply that they are is (imo) stereotyping a population who obviously (but I guess not to you) holds different opinions about Israel's issues with Palestine.


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The fact that they even try to call this "bigotry" is nuts, that fact that Pelosi et.al. caved is even worse.
 
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Ilhan Omar has not said anything bigoted she has called out a lobbying organization that isn't supported by everyone who is Jewish...

to imply that they are is (imo) stereotyping a population who obviously (but I guess not to you) holds different opinions about Israel's issues with Palestine.


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For probably the fifth time in this thread, including the OP, I have said I don't know that I'd consider that post as bigoted. But her demonstrated history of things she says starts to cross into that territory.
 

HomerJS

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The fact that they even try to call this "bigotry" is nuts, that fact that Pelosi et.al. caved is even worse.
I don't believe Pelosi thinks it it but knows it was stupid to say because it is very easily spun that way. She had to play bad cop
 

zinfamous

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I do find it interesting how righties always get mad when they claim racism is being injected into places where it has no merit, in their mind, until they decide it needs to be injected in places where it has no merit.
 

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For probably the fifth time in this thread, including the OP, I have said I don't know that I'd consider that post as bigoted. But her demonstrated history of things she says starts to cross into that territory.
So, are you for calling on Steve King to resign? He's been in that territory for years.
 

DarthKyrie

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So, are you for calling on Steve King to resign? He's been in that territory for years.

Of course not, Steve King is a good upstanding Christian man who has the best interest of all Americans in his heart. Unless of course, you are poor, a woman, a Jew, black, Latino (unless you work for Steve King or his fellow rich fucks), Native American basically anyone that isn't WASP. Won't anybody think of all those poor white billionaires they can't afford their 5th McMansion, 3rd yacht and 2nd private jet and the maintenance that goes with all of that, they need your money more than you do?
 

soundforbjt

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Steven King is a fake shill who writes books and working with the CIA.

The whole system is designed for everyone to fight against each-other. I'm really confused why if Anti-Seminism is not tolerated but yet Jews are not allowed to join the highest levels of Freemason. The Seal of Solomon is hidden on the back of the $1 bill two times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason...nic_appendant_bodies_in_England_and_Wales.jpg
Wrong Steve King...this one https://steveking.house.gov/
 
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blankslate

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Pointing out AIPAC's influence over the US Congress is not antisemitic. They even brag about it.

Pretty much...
Here is an interesting video about on the subject of AIPAC and Ilhan Omar

It should be noted that while the 4 part documentary that Al-Jazeera produced about AIPAC was censored they also produced a similar one about the counterpart Lobbying group in the UK and Israeli interests sued to have it censored there....
Ofcom the UK version of our FCC from what I gather reviewed that documentary and found that despite claims from Israel that documentary was not antisemitic and it was allowed to be broadcast there.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...a-ntisemitism-expose-israeli-embassy-official

https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/ofco...er-probe-into-israeli-lobbying-of-parliament/





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