Anti-Gun, Anti-CCW Political Insider Stabbed to Death on DC Subway

[HTFOff]

Fine, then I expect everyone making that analogy in good faith to advocate for licensing all gun owners, registration and annual inspection of all firearms, and mandatory liability policies. Also requiring anyone carrying a gun to also carry their license, registration, inspection, and proof of insurance, and subject to Terry Stops, just as drivers are.
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Motor vehicle laws (re: restrictions) are pretty even across the U.S.

They're all over the place when it comes to guns.

You see where i'm going with this?

Make gun laws consistently unrestricted across the U.S. and then we can talk.

Are you up for that?

 

[glenn1]

Clearly everyone on the train would have been better off if the guy high on drugs grabbed the victim's loaded gun instead of his phone.

They didn't even defend themselves or the victim when the perpetrator didn't have a gun. If you're going to passively wait for someone else to provide defense on your behalf then it doesn't much matter what weapon is being used. John Stuart Mill's "better men than themselves" comes to mind.

 

[senseamp]

Clearly the victim would have been better of if he had a loaded gun and knew how to use it.

Or a baseball bat.

 

[senseamp]

They didn't even defend themselves or the victim when the perpetrator didn't have a gun. If you're going to passively wait for someone else to provide defense on your behalf then it doesn't much matter what weapon is being used. John Stuart Mill's "better men than themselves" comes to mind.

I am not sure what alternative scenario you are imagining. That people start shooting on a moving train loaded with passengers? That would result in a lower body count?

 

[highland145]

Or a baseball bat.

QFT. They're probably illegal on the train though but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that the "hopped up druggie" would have found an easier target if the vic did.

I do not believe everyone needs a gun. Many people are too stupid, irresponsible, lazy, etc. but a bat would have gone a long way to saving this poor guy's life when the cops are "5 minutes away."

 

[glenn1]

I am not sure what alternative scenario you are imagining. That people start shooting on a moving train loaded with passengers? That would result in a lower body count?

Actually no since the victim was an "anti-gun, anti-CCW" he's probably pretty glad no one defended him with a firearm.

 

[senseamp]

Actually no since the victim was an "anti-gun, anti-CCW" he's probably pretty glad no one defended him with a firearm.

The people next to him are pretty glad that they weren't hit by crossfire from nearby do-gooder gun nuts.

 

[highland145]

The people next to him are pretty glad that they weren't hit by crossfire from nearby do-gooder gun nuts.

Actually, they're glad they weren't the target. Also ran...sorry for the vic.

 

[SheHateMe]

It doesn't matter if he was Anti-gun or Anti-CCW (he was a lowly intern, FFS). Firearms are not allowed on the metro.

You suck.

 

[Nebor]

It doesn't matter if he was Anti-gun or Anti-CCW (he was a lowly intern, FFS). Firearms are not allowed on the metro.

You suck.

Those with DC CCWs or covered under LEOSA are allowed to carry on the metro.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Those with DC CCWs or covered under LEOSA are allowed to carry on the metro.

This is why I feel so safe posting at ATPN
It's full of real internet men who won't hesitate to defend us from thugs
Not like those other SJW feminist liberal hipster sites like reddit

 

[highland145]

This is why I feel so safe posting at ATPN
It's full of real men who won't hesitate to defend us from thugs
Not like those other SJW feminist liberal hipster sites like reddit

Earl, I expect the vic would have wanted help? Any help. Even a bat. Kitty Genovese, ftl.

I might be wrong in the comparison but you'll have to convince me.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Earl, I expect the vic would have wanted help? Any help. Even a bat. Kitty Genovese, ftl.

I might be wrong in the comparison but you'll have to convince me.

No doubt the vic would of wanted help.

I do doubt most people who read these stories and think if they were there, things would of been different

edit- I've been in a similar situation, I stood there looking around stupidly like everyone else wondering if anyone was going to do something

 

[UberNeuman]

Congrats, OP.

For lowering the bar in P&N to subterranean levels...

Bunch of trash....

 

[highland145]

No doubt the vic would of wanted help.

I do doubt most people who read these stories and think if they were there, things would of been different

edit- I've been in a similar situation, I stood there looking around stupidly like everyone else wondering if anyone was going to do something

I honestly believe that's where most of us are. Sheep. I carry daily but I still may wet my pants if a robber comes in my store and puts a gun in my face. I will still choose the option of having a choice anyway.

Aside. Went to a local hockey game, my ~10 y.o.'s 1st. The players broke out in a fight and he was... ... Never been exposed to that kind of thing, IRL.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I honestly believe that's where most of us are. Sheep. I carry daily but I still may wet my pants if a robber comes in my store and puts a gun in my face. I will still choose the option of having a choice anyway.

Aside. Went to a local hockey game, my ~10 y.o.'s 1st. The players broke out in a fight and he was... ... Never been exposed to that kind of thing, IRL.

After it was all done and over with, I swore to myself that I wouldn't stand if it happened again. I've never been in the situation again though

I think the same sort of thing happens with job accidents etc.
Everybody has taken first aid courses, but when a dude starts screaming, most people just freeze.
I've long gotten used to being one of the few who moves in those situations.
I saw a guy having a seizure once and several workers were standing around him.
When he started to tip over, people actually just moved out of the way...
I took a leap and caught his head before it hit the cement

 

[Nebor]

Congrats, OP.

For lowering the bar in P&N to subterranean levels...

Bunch of trash....

My first 5 years on AT I never came into P&N because it was full of idiots arguing with each other to no avail. Then I realized that there's a good bit of fun to be had in here. I never go into the Discussion Club though, no fun in there.

 

[brycejones]

Congrats, OP.

For lowering the bar in P&N to subterranean levels...

Bunch of trash....

Now come on, I'm sure xBiffx will come along soon to give the OP some competition.

 

[SheHateMe]

Those with DC CCWs or covered under LEOSA are allowed to carry on the metro.

Uh....most of the people working in Washington don't live there. Not many people can afford to live in DC. We come to DC from Maryland and Virginia for the most part.

 

[Nebor]

Uh....most of the people working in Washington don't live there. Not many people can afford to live in DC. We come to DC from Maryland and Virginia for the most part.

As long as you have a CHL/CCP in your home state you can get one in DC :

The Chief may, upon the application of any person having a bona fide residence or place of business within the District of Columbia, or of any person having a bona fide residence or place of business within the United States and a license to carry a pistol concealed upon his or her person issued by the lawful authorities of any State or subdivision of the United States, issue a license to such person to carry a pistol concealed upon his or her person within the District of Columbia for not more than 2 years...

 

[Fenixgoon]

would a CCW have helped this guy? maybe, maybe not. he was on a subway car. but either way, it is a tragedy, and to politicize his death is wrong.

 

[werepossum]

Do you consider net impact at all when you make decisions about individual choices? Should we honor people's individual choices to own machine guns, RPGs, large caliber cannon, etc.?

Constitutional right means nothing as far as an individual deciding what policies they believe in.

Fine, then I expect everyone making that analogy in good faith to advocate for licensing all gun owners, registration and annual inspection of all firearms, and mandatory liability policies. Also requiring anyone carrying a gun to also carry their license, registration, inspection, and proof of insurance, and subject to Terry Stops, just as drivers are.

Yeah, but not if he had a gun. Then he could have shot himself in the foot before giving the man his wallet and shitting his pants.

Nah, if we advocated the same standards for guns and cars we'd have to listen to proggies assuring us it is stupid to use the same standards for different things.

The people next to him are pretty glad that they weren't hit by crossfire from nearby do-gooder gun nuts.

Yes, obviously it's best to just let people die than to do anything. It's really the only sane solution. Odd how my "Just let him kill me" buttons don't seem to be selling though.

Uh....most of the people working in Washington don't live there. Not many people can afford to live in DC. We come to DC from Maryland and Virginia for the most part.

And you know what people living in D.C. call those commuters? Victims.

(Or maybe expendable. Who can tell with those weird accents?)

 

[Monk5127]

No doubt the vic would of wanted help.

I do doubt most people who read these stories and think if they were there, things would of been different

edit- I've been in a similar situation, I stood there looking around stupidly like everyone else wondering if anyone was going to do something

I honestly believe that's where most of us are. Sheep. I carry daily but I still may wet my pants if a robber comes in my store and puts a gun in my face. I will still choose the option of having a choice anyway.

Aside. Went to a local hockey game, my ~10 y.o.'s 1st. The players broke out in a fight and he was... ... Never been exposed to that kind of thing, IRL.

You should check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect . Sounds pretty similar to what Earl experienced.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

So many Billy badasses in this thread. And even someone willing to shoot into an area with ~10 people hoping they hit their target and deal with the consequences later. wtf...

 

[boomerang]

My first 5 years on AT I never came into P&N because it was full of idiots arguing with each other to no avail. Then I realized that there's a good bit of fun to be had in here. I never go into the Discussion Club though, no fun in there.

So true. This place is a riot once you understand how the system works. :thumbsup: It is though, highly predictable but every once in a while we get some new blood that spices it up for a bit.

Discussion Club is where those members that habitually alter their state of consciousness go to talk about deep subjects. It's a venue where they all think they're making perfect sense.