Anti-Cycling republican gets PWND

[TheSlamma]

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<---lives in a really expensive city and uses multiple forms of transportation. also has a < 15 minute commute to work.

My commute is 35 minutes each way, on average I see at least 3 or 4 "attempted manslaughters" as I call them from the most careless BS driving ever.

I always like when people stack too, like changing lanes in an intersection when the light just turned red AND while on their cellphone.

 

[Ns1]

My commute is 35 minutes each way, on average I see at least 3 or 4 "attempted manslaughters" as I call them from the most careless BS driving ever.

I always like when people stack too, like changing lanes in an intersection when the light just turned red AND while on their cellphone.

yep, sounds like America.

 

[K1052]

My commute is 35 minutes each way, on average I see at least 3 or 4 "attempted manslaughters" as I call them from the most careless BS driving ever.

I always like when people stack too, like changing lanes in an intersection when the light just turned red AND while on their cellphone.

As a pedestrian I get to view the great range of two and four wheeled behaviors on display daily. Sure a few cyclists are dicks but I don't fear for my life with them. I had the walk signal in front of my office a couple days ago and an obviously well heeled woman (late model Range Rover) turning right on red without stopping drive into the crosswalk, honked at me, and called me a motherfucker. All while on her cell phone.

There is a driving anger problem in this country.

 

[Ns1]

As a pedestrian I get to view the great range of two and four wheeled behaviors on display daily. Sure a few cyclists are dicks but I don't fear for my life with them. I had the walk signal in front of my office a couple days ago and an obviously well heeled woman (late model Range Rover) turning right on red without stopping drive into the crosswalk, honked at me, and called me a motherfucker. All while on her cell phone.

There is a driving anger problem in this country.

more proof that cyclists are the real dangers on american streets.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

My commute is 35 minutes each way, on average I see at least 3 or 4 "attempted manslaughters" as I call them from the most careless BS driving ever.

I always like when people stack too, like changing lanes in an intersection when the light just turned red AND while on their cellphone.

My commute is to my desk... which is about 30 feet from my bed in the next room :biggrin:

...Unless I need to see a client... in which case it can be anywhere

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

As a pedestrian I get to view the great range of two and four wheeled behaviors on display daily. Sure a few cyclists are dicks but I don't fear for my life with them. I had the walk signal in front of my office a couple days ago and an obviously well heeled woman (late model Range Rover) turning right on red without stopping drive into the crosswalk, honked at me, and called me a motherfucker. All while on her cell phone.

There is a driving anger problem in this country.

Can't help but agree.

I was at a bank and pulling out from my parking space, no one is coming from either direction. Next thing I know this guy pulls into the lot and starts zooming by going 30+ in the parking lot and starts honking at me from ~35 feet away while I'm still in the process of pulling out.

"EXCUSE ME I'M AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT PERSON ON A VERY IMPORTANT MISSION. STOP GETTING IN FRONT OF ME AT ONCE!!" Nearly hit the dumb fuck.

 

[JulesMaximus]

You come visit Seattle: you can't live in the city or nearby without a SERIOUS premium. Google and MS make Kirkland expensive as hell. Redmond, Bellevue, Sammamish and the likes are all super expensive because of mostly MS. Seattle has Amazon and now Apple in it (and others like F5.)

Buying a condo that's <1000sq ft is often in excess of 400,000 with ~$400 of HOA dues. Even apartments that are 500sq ft studios start at $1000 a month. So you end up living further out. And then once you've moved further out to find housing that won't leave you broke, the commute gets much longer. It'll be worse with them tolling I405's HOV lanes while making the HOV limit go from 2 to 3 people.

All of this while Redmond is the bicycle capitol of the US or something like that....when it has ZERO bike lanes. It's got the Sammamish River Trail and that's it. Major roads lack bike lanes, so you have a decent number of asshole cyclists on the roads that take up a lane, and are known to kick your car if you come "too close". I'm all for making bikes that are on public roads have license plates on them...

I'm curious what you think that will do to improve your quality of life? Or do you just get pleasure out of making other people miserable?

 

[TheSlamma]

As a pedestrian I get to view the great range of two and four wheeled behaviors on display daily. Sure a few cyclists are dicks but I don't fear for my life with them. I had the walk signal in front of my office a couple days ago and an obviously well heeled woman (late model Range Rover) turning right on red without stopping drive into the crosswalk, honked at me, and called me a motherfucker. All while on her cell phone.

There is a driving anger problem in this country.

Man you got that right!

I agree 100% also with the no fear from cyclists but definitely from cars.

Only city in the US I have been to that seems to actually still respect pedestrians and their right of way is Portland OR.

 

[cubby1223]

from within the article:

"People who choose to ride a bicycle instead of driving a car actively reduce congestion, save wear and tear on our roads and bridges, and reduce the state labor needed to patrol our highways," Carlson wrote. "Additionally, bicyclists produce fewer emissions and reduce healthcare costs through increased physical fitness."

Responsible cyclists do the above. Unfortunately there are a crazy-ton of completely irresponsible cyclists out there. Living near Chicago sometimes I have to drive downtown, and people on bikes regularly blow through stop signs, red lights, even in heavy traffic forcing cross-traffic to brake hard to avoid collision.

 

[cubby1223]

As to the main topic of the thread, it's like that congressman who once argued on the floor of the U.S. house that deploying more marines to Guam may cause the island to "become so overly populated that it will tip over and capsize" The crazy things some people say!

 

[K1052]

Responsible cyclists do the above. Unfortunately there are a crazy-ton of completely irresponsible cyclists out there. Living near Chicago sometimes I have to drive downtown, and people on bikes regularly blow through stop signs, red lights, even in heavy traffic forcing cross-traffic to brake hard to avoid collision.

I live in downtown (right on a very busy bike route) and I do indeed see some bad cyclist behavior, including running reds (not that frequently) and stop signs (much more frequent). I would not define the amount at "a crazy-ton". I see an order of magnitude worse behavior from drivers against pedestrians, cyclists, and even each other.

 

[Ns1]

I live in downtown (right on a very busy bike route) and I do indeed see some bad cyclist behavior, including running reds (not that frequently) and stop signs (much more frequent). I would not define the amount at "a crazy-ton". I see an order of magnitude worse behavior from drivers against pedestrians, cyclists, and even each other.

further, said illegal behavior does not negate any of this:

"People who choose to ride a bicycle instead of driving a car actively reduce congestion, save wear and tear on our roads and bridges, and reduce the state labor needed to patrol our highways," Carlson wrote. "Additionally, bicyclists produce fewer emissions and reduce healthcare costs through increased physical fitness."

 

[K1052]

further, said illegal behavior does not negate any of this:

"People who choose to ride a bicycle instead of driving a car actively reduce congestion, save wear and tear on our roads and bridges, and reduce the state labor needed to patrol our highways," Carlson wrote. "Additionally, bicyclists produce fewer emissions and reduce healthcare costs through increased physical fitness."

A valid point.

 

[Bitek]

Should we tax shoes as well? They are used on streets..

This proposal makes no sense. I highly doubt the program would even pay for itself. How many bikes are we talking about that are over $500? Lots of bikes are under that and exempt. So how many bikes are we talking about then that you could somehow enforce this against? 1000? 5000/yr? After administrative and enforcement costs, what are you left with?

<$100k/yr for the whole state won't build anything.

Only in America could you propose something this stupid. No wonder we are so fat.

 

[Bitek]

Cycling is carbon neutral anyway, unless you eat Coalios for breakfast.

Republicans suck at finance and science.

 

[Meghan54]

But he never said they emit more than cars, just that they emit more than they would at rest. Which is true. The headline inaccurately characterized what he'd said.

Actually, since this was a locally covered story, you had to follow, or actually "regress" in your reading to find the quote attributed in the headline, wherein he did indeed say he thought bike riders emitted more CO2 than car drivers.....

This is the quote, taken from a previously written article about this subject:

“You would be giving off more CO2 if you are riding a bike than driving in a car,” he said. However, he said he had not “done any analysis” of the difference in CO2 from a person on a bike compared to the engine of a car.

http://www.seattlebikeblog.com/2013...not-good-for-the-environment-should-be-taxed/

 

[Meghan54]

Now, what gets me is that this whole issue is over 2 years old. The articles cited by the OP was written in March, 2013.

As was printed in one article about this:

EDITOR&#8217;S NOTE, May 2015: This story is going viral again, but not everyone realizes the story is old. Please note that it happened in 2013. Thanks!

Top of page: http://www.seattlebikeblog.com/2013...not-good-for-the-environment-should-be-taxed/

 

[BoomerD]

Should we tax shoes as well? They are used on streets..

This proposal makes no sense. I highly doubt the program would even pay for itself. How many bikes are we talking about that are over $500? Lots of bikes are under that and exempt. So how many bikes are we talking about then that you could somehow enforce this against? 1000? 5000/yr? After administrative and enforcement costs, what are you left with?

<$100k/yr for the whole state won't build anything.

Only in America could you propose something this stupid. No wonder we are so fat.

Which is why, instead of a special tax on bicycles priced at more than $500, every bicycle should have to buy and renew a license annually. Doesn't have to cost much...even $10/year would go a long way towards building/maintaining bike lanes...and isn't so expensive that it will actually "hurt" anyone. (plus, by registering your bike with serial number, it MIGHT help cut down on bike thefts...it's done SO much to stop car thefts)

 

[RampantAndroid]

I'm curious what you think that will do to improve your quality of life? Or do you just get pleasure out of making other people miserable?

I own a bike that I have tried to take on the road. I fucking hate cyclists on the road (and hate being one) - they're in the way and are another problem to watch out for. Take money from cyclists and use it to make bike lanes. Then pass laws that where bike lanes exists, you may not RIDE on the sidewalk, and that in crosswalks you absolutely must walk across (I've nearly been hit on the side by a bike going through a crosswalk doing 25MPH or so. You check for peds, there are none start to go and scrreeeeeeech. Pissed off cyclist trying to make it before it went from flashing do not walk to solid do not walk.

tl;dr: Get cyclists their own lanes and make them STAY in their own lanes.

 

[cbrunny]

There's a logic in making any bike on the road have a plate and get a sticker every year, just like the rest of the road users.

If that were to happen, c
Anti-cyclists would lose all legitimacy. Since this is somehow a real political issue and not a drunken bar argument, no way will a solution be presented. Gotta polarize people and earn\win votes.

 

[senseamp]

I own a bike that I have tried to take on the road. I fucking hate cyclists on the road (and hate being one) - they're in the way and are another problem to watch out for. Take money from cyclists and use it to make bike lanes. Then pass laws that where bike lanes exists, you may not RIDE on the sidewalk, and that in crosswalks you absolutely must walk across (I've nearly been hit on the side by a bike going through a crosswalk doing 25MPH or so. You check for peds, there are none start to go and scrreeeeeeech. Pissed off cyclist trying to make it before it went from flashing do not walk to solid do not walk.

tl;dr: Get cyclists there own lanes and make them STAY in their own lanes.

So you want the benefits of cyclists in bike lanes instead of your lane, but don't want to pay for it?

 

[twinrider1]

Cyclists are bad for the planet!

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/29622475/cyclist-had-to-poop-starts-wildfire

 

[RampantAndroid]

So you want the benefits of cyclists in bike lanes instead of your lane, but don't want to pay for it?

I pay for the roads I drive on (and the buses people ride. And I pay for the EVs that don't pay a dime.) They can and should pay for the lanes that they get. Realistically speaking though, I do already pay for it - cyclists pay shit and want everything.

But hey, I guess it's too much to ask the person who commutes for virtually nothing at all on an expensive as hell road bike (and acts like an entitled bitch) to cover their share - make the person who cannot feasibly take any mass transit and thus pays more for gas and such to pay everything.

And I do deal with these type of cyclists when I bike on the various trails around me. They almost never call out when passing you (because saying "on the left" before passing me within inches while doing more than double my 12MPH is just too much work) and they violate the posted speed limits on the trails (which is 15MPH.) And if you DARE to get in their way, they make sure to scream and curse at you. Because you, who is calling out "on the left" when passing and obeying the posted speed needs to get out of their way!

 

[Brainonska511]

I pay for the roads I drive on (and the buses people ride. And I pay for the EVs that don't pay a dime.) They can and should pay for the lanes that they get. Realistically speaking though, I do already pay for it - cyclists pay shit and want everything.

But hey, I guess it's too much to ask the person who commutes for virtually nothing at all on an expensive as hell road bike (and acts like an entitled bitch) to cover their share - make the person who cannot feasibly take any mass transit and thus pays more for gas and such to pay everything.

And I do deal with these type of cyclists when I bike on the various trails around me. They almost never call out when passing you (because saying "on the left" before passing me within inches while doing more than double my 12MPH is just too much work) and they violate the posted speed limits on the trails (which is 15MPH.) And if you DARE to get in their way, they make sure to scream and curse at you. Because you, who is calling out "on the left" when passing and obeying the posted speed needs to get out of their way!

As a taxpayer, I pay for the roads you drive on too, and I don't own a car. But you don't hear me bitching about it.

 

[senseamp]

I pay for the roads I drive on (and the buses people ride. And I pay for the EVs that don't pay a dime.) They can and should pay for the lanes that they get. Realistically speaking though, I do already pay for it - cyclists pay shit and want everything.

But hey, I guess it's too much to ask the person who commutes for virtually nothing at all on an expensive as hell road bike (and acts like an entitled bitch) to cover their share - make the person who cannot feasibly take any mass transit and thus pays more for gas and such to pay everything.

And I do deal with these type of cyclists when I bike on the various trails around me. They almost never call out when passing you (because saying "on the left" before passing me within inches while doing more than double my 12MPH is just too much work) and they violate the posted speed limits on the trails (which is 15MPH.) And if you DARE to get in their way, they make sure to scream and curse at you. Because you, who is calling out "on the left" when passing and obeying the posted speed needs to get out of their way!

I ain't paying no bike lane tax, I'll just take up the main traffic lane and ride 15mph if there is no bike path.
You suck at cycling, maybe if you didn't, you wouldn't be such a hater.