Anti-ACORN filmmaker arrested

[CitizenKain]

Still A fact. Just because a activist judge wants to fund a partisan group that is not a shock. This is something that both the Dems and Repubs agreed on. They didn't agree on much but they did agree that Acorn does not deserve any funds.

Since you are a partisan and think Acorn should waste our tax money why bother debating anything with you?

Ah, so following the constitution is for activist judges.

Its funny how the voting thing keeps coming up in the less educated circles, but if you get all your news from misspelled protester signs, I guess we can't expect much from them.

 

[caddlad]

I particularly love the reference to the "knowledge" gained from the authoritative, make that authoritarian, HuffingtonPost, the bastion of accuracy, the unquestioned arbiter of truth, except when it is required, the go-to source for the last word of the liberal lemming.

Yet you lap up the horseshit from Breibarts rag. So much for objectivity. He wouldn't know a fact if he sat in it. "They elect our politicians and receive billions in tax money." What bullshit. ACORN has reportedly received 53 million since 1994.

The Huffpo pic of O'Keefe in an orange jump suit was nice wasn't it? That was just before the Judge sent him home to Mommy's house. Here's a link to the affidavit his playmates signed for the FBI...http://minnesotaindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/joseph-basel-et-al.pdf

Chaos for Glory? Hopefully he gets gloryholed in the federal pen.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-co...2010/fox-news-puts-james-o-keefe-into-context

 

[PJABBER]

Yet you lap up the horseshit from Breibarts rag. So much for objectivity. He wouldn't know a fact if he sat in it. "They elect our politicians and receive billions in tax money." What bullshit. ACORN has reportedly received 53 million since 1994.

You must be referring to someone else's post as I never said ACORN received billions of dollars. They did, however, receive millions of tax payer dollars, which they promptly used to further Democratic Party candidacies and agendas.

Insofar as relying on information from Andrew Breitbart, he is a key player in getting the country to pay attention to the ACORN saga - he is, after all, the one who published the ACORN videos and he continues to track the story. I would say he is a primary source for information and he has access to other primary sources. As opposed to you relying solely on the HuffandPuff Post, as biased a source for information as there can be, and one without access to any of the primary players.

In this one thread I directly quote and reference the following primary and secondary sources -

POLITICO
Associated Press (AP)
FBI
BigGovernment.com (Breitbart)
CBS
New Orleans Times-Picayune
Veritas Visuals (O'Keefe)
MSNBC
DiscoverTheNetworks.org

That is quite different from you relying completely on a single opinion source that does no original reporting but rather spins the events of the day leftward like a top. Kind of like relying on Media Matters for a perspective from any position other than that of the "progressive" Left - It. Just. Ain't. Gonna. Happen.

I am always amused at the claims to objectivity from those here who source their information from the far Left propagandists - I have yet to see an independent opinion. It must be so easy for you to not think for yourself. Sort of like you munching through a bowl of pablum on your Wobblie mommy's lap, who is ever ready to burp you when the indigestion of reality kicks back.

 

[caddlad]

"They elect our politicians and receive billions in tax money."
From Breitbarts site.

Affidavit link...
The Minnesota Independent

The Colbert Video..
Comedy Central

See I have other sources, as well.

I am always amused at the claims to objectivity

Glad to humor you.

 

[EXman]

Ah, so following the constitution is for activist judges.

Its funny how the voting thing keeps coming up in the less educated circles, but if you get all your news from misspelled protester signs, I guess we can't expect much from them.

Ah the living breathing Constitution! Love that. As far as Libs go remember the Constitution only covers your side everyone else is uneducated and they need to shut up.

I see another person here that supports our tax dollars going down the tubes! Partisan before American!

 

[Craig234]

Ah the living breathing Constitution! Love that. As far as Libs go remember the Constitution only covers your side everyone else is uneducated and they need to shut up.

I see another person here that supports our tax dollars going down the tubes! Partisan before American!

Ignorant, dishonest, or both? This wasn't a 'living constitution' decision, it was straight to the document as it was written, black and white.

You clearly support political posturing f the mob ignoring the constitution to do whatever they want when you feel like it. You are unable to actually read the document before lying about what it says.

 

[EXman]

You are a dishonest partisan who attacks the constitution when violatong it gives you the benefit of fewer Americans voting who disagree with you. You are an enemy of democracy.

THe constitution clearly bans the targetting of ACRON funding as Congress did it. Your constitutional argument: sice both parties did the political benefical thing, that proves it's constitutional.

You would make a find mob leader, but you are not a follower of the constitution. You don't care what it says, uneless it's on your side.

A judge properly enforces the constitution and blocks a congress ignoring the constitution for politics, and you call them not a good judge but an 'activist'.

You are highly partisan, and you call doing what the constitution says 'partisan'? You sure have that backwards. Acorn wasting money? To you, yes, you are against some Americans voting.

As someone who doensn't want the 'wrong Americans' voting you are against any programs that serves democracy unless it's for your political allies.

Judge Gerson's decision was based on Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution that forbids Bills of Attainder, which can be loosely defined as legislation seizing property or taking away the civil rights of an entire group based on the actions of individuals belonging to that group.

That's kind of odd in itself...

The 'property' issue seems a non-starter, unless you feel like the taxpayer funds given to ACORN somehow constitute their 'property'. And yes, I realize they look at it that way, but I can't exactly see it is something they 'own' legally.

I'm against Acorn giving cigaretts and money to people voting like they want or them telling them that they'd go to jail if they didn't vote. I'm also against any group LEFT OR RIGHT committing fraud in voter registration. So I guess somehow that is against Americas best interests?

 

[Lemon law]

Where does this weird thread tangent come from as we start talking about constitutional rights.

The four stooges in question here violated existing Federal laws, and I fail to see any constitutional rights allowing them to conduct such illegal activities.

These bumblers got their own fool selves caught and if they do the crime they better be prepared to do the time. And as the investigation proceeds we do not yet know if others conspired with them to violate Federal law.

 

[Craig234]

Exman:
I'm against Acorn giving cigaretts and money to people voting like they want or them telling them that they'd go to jail if they didn't vote. I'm also against any group LEFT OR RIGHT committing fraud in voter registration. So I guess somehow that is against Americas best interests?

I'm against lying.

Let's see your evidence for ACORN brinbing people to *vote* a certain way, and commit voter fraud.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Where does this weird thread tangent come from as we start talking about constitutional rights.

The four stooges in question here violated existing Federal laws, and I fail to see any constitutional rights allowing them to conduct such illegal activities.

These bumblers got their own fool selves caught and if they do the crime they better be prepared to do the time. And as the investigation proceeds we do not yet know if others conspired with them to violate Federal law.

Bring back 'Trial by Wood-Chipper'.

 

[EXman]

Ignorant, dishonest, or both? This wasn't a 'living constitution' decision, it was straight to the document as it was written, black and white.

You clearly support political posturing f the mob ignoring the constitution to do whatever they want when you feel like it. You are unable to actually read the document before lying about what it says.

Sure it does the "property" isn't theirs period. They Judge shopped this case. Like what Rush did for Doctors. Judge Gershon also seems to feel that Congress has no power to exercise its Constitutional mandate to raise and allocate taxpayer funding, and that some sort of judgment of guilt by a court is required before Congress can exercise its major power to pull the plug on taxpayer funding for pimps, ho's and human trafficking, as well as all the other wonderful activities ACORN specializes in..

This is roughly the equivalent of Lockheed Martin/Boeing going to court and getting an injunction against the feds to stop them from cutting off funds for the F-22!

 

[Craig234]

Sure it does the "property" isn't theirs period. They Judge shopped this case. Like what Rush did for Doctors. Judge Gershon also seems to feel that Congress has no power to exercise its Constitutional mandate to raise and allocate taxpayer funding, and that some sort of judgment of guilt by a court is required before Congress can exercise its major power to pull the plug on taxpayer funding for pimps, ho's and human trafficking, as well as all the other wonderful activities ACORN specializes in..

This is roughly the equivalent of Lockheed Martin/Boeing going to court and getting an injunction against the feds to stop them from cutting off funds for the F-22!

Sure - if the Feds wanted to cut off funding on the grounds of wrongdoing of Lockheed because a few of its employees gave misguided advice to a woman posing as a prostitute, and there was no due process.

There was no trial, no proper process for determining wrongdoing.

But of course, the decision has been overturned on appeal because it was one hand picked jude, right?

 

[EXman]

You are a deflection machine.

Alright smartass are tax dollars their property?

 

[Craig234]

You are a deflection machine.

Alright smartass are tax dollars their property?

That's not the right question. The cutting off their funds previously approved was a punishment - delivered without due process and a bill of attainer by the legal definition.

Look at the legal history for a change before you say what it means.

Here's assigned reading as well for you.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/12/12/acorn/index.html

 

[EXman]

That's not the right question. The cutting off OUR TAX MONEY previously approved was a punishment - delivered without due process and a bill of attainer by the legal definition.

No it isn't your question. Regardless of anything else you think these frauds deserve to waste money that is made by me and you because it serves you. Even the Obama government wants Gershon to overturn the Acorn ruling. http://page6.com/p/news/local/government_urges_judge_to_overturn_H0SS1D58xKTUL4zHieXEXM Why would that be?

I do now possibly think No Bill of Attainder could mean that they could not with hold any monies promised through contract, or laws impairing the obligations of contracts, but I still doubt it would for any future monies to be dispensed that are not already in contract.

Your ethics regardless of any law indicate you approve of taxpayer funded fraud to promote a political party. I do not. If you want to keep pushing a bad point please go ahead I'm gonna be off for awhile.

 

[Craig234]

No it isn't your question. Regardless of anything else you think these frauds deserve to waste money that is made by me and you because it serves you. Even the Obama government wants Gershon to overturn the Acorn ruling. http://page6.com/p/news/local/government_urges_judge_to_overturn_H0SS1D58xKTUL4zHieXEXM Why would that be?

I do now possibly think No Bill of Attainder could mean that they could not with hold any monies promised through contract, or laws impairing the obligations of contracts, but I still doubt it would for any future monies to be dispensed that are not already in contract.

Your ethics regardless of any law indicate you approve of taxpayer funded fraud to promote a political party. I do not. If you want to keep pushing a bad point please go ahead I'm gonna be off for awhile.

If you edit my comments when you quote them, say you did.

I'm stilll waiting for your response to my asking for evidnce for your lies above.

 

[Lemon law]

To reassure some that the prosecution was not napping while this forum was bickering,
I submit the link titled "a whole lot of typing going on."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100201/ap_on_re_us/us_senator_s_office_arrests

By now, I am fairly confident that the hard drives in the lap tops are scrubbed squeaky clean. But still, I would guess the investigation is proceeding nicely. And may turn into a conspiracy investigation that paints a not very pretty picture of the far right while producing some more criminal indictments.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

To reassure some that the prosecution was not napping while this forum was bickering,
I submit the link titled "a whole lot of typing going on."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100201/ap_on_re_us/us_senator_s_office_arrests

By now, I am fairly confident that the hard drives in the lap tops are scrubbed squeaky clean. But still, I would guess the investigation is proceeding nicely. And may turn into a conspiracy investigation that paints a not very pretty picture of the far right while producing some more criminal indictments.

I suppose if one were hoping for some big conspiracy or some big illegal activity - you could twist the facts to suggest one. But reality so far doesn't hold that tune.

Another thing, sure seems the AP and others are digging into this story much more than they did other stories. Hmm... maybe the staff they had digging in Alaska got reassigned...

 

[EXman]

I suppose if one were hoping for some big conspiracy or some big illegal activity - you could twist the facts to suggest one. But reality so far doesn't hold that tune.

Another thing, sure seems the AP and others are digging into this story much more than they did other stories. Hmm... maybe the staff they had digging in Alaska got reassigned...

Well you know they had to avoid John Edwards just a lil longer. There is no Liberal Bias! C'mon!

 

[werepossum]

Well you know they had to avoid John Edwards just a lil longer. There is no Liberal Bias! C'mon!

After Kerry got beaten in '04 the mainstream media had to ask themselves if that last thin layer of the veneer of fairness was worth Democrats losing to Republicans. (Well, except Rather and CBS News, who decided that during the 2004 election cycle.) They decided it was not. Instead they would go wholly in the tank for the Dems and simply loudly proclaim their own lack of bias, and the results in 2006 and 2008 confirmed the wisdom of their plans. So the same "news" organizations that ignored the ACORN stories will jump all over this story. Hey, let them keep the Pubbies honest - someone in DC needs to be.

 

[Lemon law]

If nothing else, sexual hanki panki is something the American people understand at a gut level even if no laws are being violated and it produces no arrest. And anyone with any memory at all realizes sex scandals are something that is truly bi-partisan because both all political parties have their share of rascals.

And its somewhat unfair to compare John Edwards with the arrest of the acorn film maker 4. The John Edwards story was started by the national Enquirer, and that was based on total speculation rumor mongering that later turned out to be true. In short, all the National Enquirer had that was factual, was that John Edwards spent some time with Reilly Hunter in a locked Hotel room. In terms of any sexual hanki panki, as far as anyone could say, there was no factual basis to allege any.

But in the case of this thread, the basic new story STARTS with an actual LAW ENFORCEMENT ARREST. After that, some speculation of how big the conspiracy is
goes with the territory given their past history.

But the point being, speculation is not fact and now an investigation will proceed to get at the FACTS to base a even stronger criminal case on. Something that can be tried in a court of law and can result in some very serious additional jail time for originally arrested and quite possibly others. As if the charges they were arrested on in the first place are not serious enough and can be totally proved.

Looks like round 2 will be at the Feb 12 court appearance.

 

[werepossum]

O'Keefe (doesn't that sound like it should be an Irish pussy fart?) will give his first interview tonight on Hannity's show in Fox News, for those who want to hear his side of the story. I will be happily watching reruns of The Big Bang Theory but present this notice as a public service to them who wanna get theyselves edumacated.

 

[Craig234]

After Kerry got beaten in '04 the mainstream media had to ask themselves if that last thin layer of the veneer of fairness was worth Democrats losing to Republicans. (Well, except Rather and CBS News, who decided that during the 2004 election cycle.) They decided it was not. Instead they would go wholly in the tank for the Dems and simply loudly proclaim their own lack of bias, and the results in 2006 and 2008 confirmed the wisdom of their plans. So the same "news" organizations that ignored the ACORN stories will jump all over this story. Hey, let them keep the Pubbies honest - someone in DC needs to be.

You lie. Search for posts by me and Dan Rather or 60 Minutes for corrections.