Anti-Abortion / Pro-Choice - Can you be both?

[WhipperSnapper]

the major proponents for legalizing abortion were hard-core eugenics.

their support for abortion was predicated on eugenics, not "human rights."

That's nice, but if you want to argue that abortion is about eugenics, it's going to fall on deaf ears because the advocates of legal abortion today, by and large, support abortion so that women can make decisions about their lives and responsibilities and not eugenics.

killing an unborn human is not a human right as far as im concerned.

it is counter-productive and if anything defies human biology.

Would you also oppose surgery because it defiles human biology? After all, surgical procedures are unnatural and contradict God's will.

What is your position on the killing of a 2-day old fertilized egg--a literal cell mass that could potentially become a human?

What about a 1 month old fetus that does not have a brain yet?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

What about the fetus whose brain has gotten the uni-cellular stage and possesses consciousness?

What do you mean when you say "consciousness"? What kind of consciousness do you think a fetus or a newborn has? If merely having an animal-like consciousness is the basis for human rights as many people would seem to claim, I wonder, then, how do they justify killing animals, many of which are more conscious and highly developed than newborns, for food?

 

[ericlp]

I am pro choice... And I choose Life.

I leave it up to the woman to decide what is right. Full on Full Rights. There should be no limits on certain conditions or limitations. I mean yea obviously it the baby is 3 months into it then of course you gotta draw the line someplace naturally at that point if she chooses not to want the kid she must have it and put it up for adoption.

I also think if the kid was born with some sort of retardation or prematurely and led to other medical problems then it should be left up to the mother to carry on or end it.

I guess I take it back from the old Indian days if the mom had a kid and looked down and noticed that not all the toes or fingers were not there or just a bit retarded she would just cup her hand over his/her mouth and within a few minutes that would be history and they could try again.

Yeah that may sound a bit extreme but, why waste tax payers money on kid if the mom didn't want it for health issues??????? And why should she be forced to raise a kid that would other wise never be normal?

Why not just let it go and try again for a healthier kid?

Shit happens in life and well, having a kid is a risk. I think the mom should have the say at all times. I also think that woman that knows that the kid is going to be 90% fucked up and decide to have it anyway... If she can't pay for the child's medical bills then why should the taxpayer have to pony up for her dumb choices and pay form the birth to the grave?

Some of this shit really blows my mind and does not make sense to me.

Yes Abortion is horrible. Yes Killing a baby is horrible.

Killing a puppy in a pound is horrible too. But it happens all the time. Killing anything is bad. I am pro LIFE remember?

Tho, if it's gonna drive up health care because Miss X wanted her fucked up kid that will be in a wheel chair for the rest of his/her life then what good is that? While the tax payer picks up the tab to keep this thing alive and pay for someone to feed and care for it. BullShit. Get on with your fucking life and if you can't have another kid, adopt one, there are many out there waiting.

 

[ericlp]

What do you mean when you say "consciousness"? What kind of consciousness do you think a fetus or a newborn has? If merely having an animal-like consciousness is the basis for human rights as many people would seem to claim, I wonder, then, how do they justify killing animals, many of which are more conscious and highly developed than newborns, for food?

I really love the anti abortionists take on when is a LIFE and LIFE...

A life starts when the sperm meets the egg. Got it? Good... Now go kill that baby...

Sheesh, people get a life already.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

But the sperm and the egg are alive also.

 

[sandorski]

But the sperm and the egg are alive also.

Absolute Proof

 

[llee]

They don't care about their own bodies but they'll take care of a child. This makes sense.
:awe:

How bout castration?

 

[classy]

Anti-Abortion / Pro-Choice - Can you be both?


I am. I believe that circumstances dictate. Rape for one, why would I force some woman to give birth to some rapist's baby.
You get preganant but you want an abortion because the baby will be an inconvience is wrong.

 

[thraashman]

abortion was inspired by eugenics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

i dont see how eugenics is a moral solution to crime, poverty, "unwanted children", etc.

I think it's disgusting.

However, I accept the fact that abortion will continue to happen whether or not it is criminalized. If it were made illegal women would simply turn to home-made devices to do it as they did in the early 1990s.

I say abortion laws should be more restricted. In places like the UK abortions are legal up until the 7th month of pregnancy. At that point the fetus is capable of living outside the womb.

that is just awful and evil.

Did you even read the link you posted? Margaret Sanger, who was a heavy advocate for birth control and an advocate of eugenics, was completely against abortion! In fact she saw abortion as something evil that we needed to use effective birth control to eliminate. So while I realize you were trying to use her as a scapegoat to say that abortion and eugenics are united and thus abortion is as wrong as the nazi campaign, you're wrong. In fact you're COMPLETELY WRONG and apparantly don't even read your own links.