Anti-abortion activist shot in front of High School

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: n yusef
Murder = wrong. Even for anti-choice assholes.

anti-choice moniker = retarded. We don't call you guys pro-death.

Have a sense of fairness and call it what it is: Pro and anti abortion.

That's every bit as bad. Pro-choice is used for a very good reason, it is the choice to have an abortion that is being defended, not the abortion itself.

As for the activist, seems hard to say much of anything right now, it most certainly could be politically motivated... but activists get mugged too sometimes. Either way, anyone's death is sad.

The way I see it, we get called out for calling ourselves pro-life, on the grounds that we don't support all life. It seems fair to me to call you out for calling yourselves pro-choice, for not supporting all choices.

If we want the names to be completely honest, we can only go with pro and anti abortion, because that's what this boils down to.

Once again, people who are pro-choice are not in favor of abortion. They are in favor of people having the option of abortion. This is why the term 'pro choice' is accurate and the term 'pro abortion' is not.

I'm not sure why replacing a term that is possibly confusing with a term that is certainly false is any improvement.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: n yusef
Murder = wrong. Even for anti-choice assholes.

anti-choice moniker = retarded. We don't call you guys pro-death.

Have a sense of fairness and call it what it is: Pro and anti abortion.

No. There is a HUGE difference between those who are pro-choice and pro-abortion. The pro-choice crowd does not necessarily approve of abortion, but feel that a legal choice is necessary. Pro-abortion advocates actually think that abortion is not only socially acceptable, but in many cases should be encouraged. You will find VERY few pro-choicers who are pro-abortion.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: n yusef
Murder = wrong. Even for anti-choice assholes.

anti-choice moniker = retarded. We don't call you guys pro-death.

Have a sense of fairness and call it what it is: Pro and anti abortion.

No, you just call abortionists "baby killers".

And I'm all for using the ACCURATE terminology: Pro and anti abortion-choice.

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: n yusef
Murder = wrong. Even for anti-choice assholes.

anti-choice moniker = retarded. We don't call you guys pro-death.

Have a sense of fairness and call it what it is: Pro and anti abortion.

No. There is a HUGE difference between those who are pro-choice and pro-abortion. The pro-choice crowd does not necessarily approve of abortion, but feel that a legal choice is necessary. Pro-abortion advocates actually think that abortion is not only socially acceptable, but in many cases should be encouraged. You will find VERY few pro-choicers who are pro-abortion.

encouraged over say, using condoms or other birth control??? as in "hey lets go have an abortion today cant wait lolz". that's pretty messed up and never met anyone like that in my life before.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: n yusef
Murder = wrong. Even for anti-choice assholes.

anti-choice moniker = retarded. We don't call you guys pro-death.

Have a sense of fairness and call it what it is: Pro and anti abortion.

No. There is a HUGE difference between those who are pro-choice and pro-abortion. The pro-choice crowd does not necessarily approve of abortion, but feel that a legal choice is necessary. Pro-abortion advocates actually think that abortion is not only socially acceptable, but in many cases should be encouraged. You will find VERY few pro-choicers who are pro-abortion.

encouraged over say, using condoms or other birth control??? as in "hey lets go have an abortion today cant wait lolz". that's pretty messed up and never met anyone like that in my life before.

Are you surprised that the anti-abortion crowd thinks this is a reality? They're the same people who think the health care proposal has death panels.

 

[Patranus]

Where is the report out of homeland security about the groups that may have targeted this individual?

 

[imported_inspire]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: n yusef
Murder = wrong. Even for anti-choice assholes.

anti-choice moniker = retarded. We don't call you guys pro-death.

Have a sense of fairness and call it what it is: Pro and anti abortion.

That's every bit as bad. Pro-choice is used for a very good reason, it is the choice to have an abortion that is being defended, not the abortion itself.

As for the activist, seems hard to say much of anything right now, it most certainly could be politically motivated... but activists get mugged too sometimes. Either way, anyone's death is sad.

The way I see it, we get called out for calling ourselves pro-life, on the grounds that we don't support all life. It seems fair to me to call you out for calling yourselves pro-choice, for not supporting all choices.

If we want the names to be completely honest, we can only go with pro and anti abortion, because that's what this boils down to.

Why don't you just let yourselves pick your own titles. WTF is wrong with pro-life and pro-choice? Each side defines itself by what it is for more than what it is against.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: n yusef
Murder = wrong. Even for anti-choice assholes.

anti-choice moniker = retarded. We don't call you guys pro-death.

Have a sense of fairness and call it what it is: Pro and anti abortion.

That's every bit as bad. Pro-choice is used for a very good reason, it is the choice to have an abortion that is being defended, not the abortion itself.

As for the activist, seems hard to say much of anything right now, it most certainly could be politically motivated... but activists get mugged too sometimes. Either way, anyone's death is sad.

The way I see it, we get called out for calling ourselves pro-life, on the grounds that we don't support all life. It seems fair to me to call you out for calling yourselves pro-choice, for not supporting all choices.

If we want the names to be completely honest, we can only go with pro and anti abortion, because that's what this boils down to.

First of all, you're not "pro life." If that were the case, why are most of you "pro death penalty?" "Life" does NOT mean "fetal life" in any dictionary I've read.

You use "pro life" because its a euphemism, providing your side what what you erroneously believe is the moral high ground. Your terminology is false.

What you REALLY are is "anti-abortion-choice." That's exactly what you believe in.

It's doubly accurate because most of the anti-abortion-choice crowd are NOT "anti-abortion." The majority (a large majority) believe that abortion should be available if the mother's life is truly in danger, or if the woman is pregnant because of rape. What you're against is "choice" in getting an abortion, since you equate "choice" with easy-access to abortion.

So, you're not "pro life" and you're not "anti abortion." You're anti-abortion-choice. Precisely.

 

[CitizenKain]

Looks like the person who allegedly committed the murder is accused of another one on the same day, a owner of a gravel pit. Since I'm unaware a general pro-life / pro-gravel hegemony, it seems the case probably has nothing to do with abortion.


Activist slain outside school; 2nd man also killedhttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gs85ZcvkuS2Kgd4tuOwBy6YFaQBAD9AL8HLO1

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: n yusef
Murder = wrong. Even for anti-choice assholes.

anti-choice moniker = retarded. We don't call you guys pro-death.

Have a sense of fairness and call it what it is: Pro and anti abortion.

No. There is a HUGE difference between those who are pro-choice and pro-abortion. The pro-choice crowd does not necessarily approve of abortion, but feel that a legal choice is necessary. Pro-abortion advocates actually think that abortion is not only socially acceptable, but in many cases should be encouraged. You will find VERY few pro-choicers who are pro-abortion.

encouraged over say, using condoms or other birth control??? as in "hey lets go have an abortion today cant wait lolz". that's pretty messed up and never met anyone like that in my life before.

No BC is 100% effective if you are indeed having sex. Not only that, some of the "pro-life" crowd often advocates abstinence-only education, so you can add ignorance to the list of why traditional BC won't meet the goals of a stated pro-abortionist. For the lulz is no reason to promote abortion, even amongst those in the pro-abortion camp.

Pro-abortion advocates go a step farther than simply advocating the use of BC. Even after hte use of BC, abortion can be further used to control population growth or to weed out 'undesirable' elements of the population (genetic predispositions/diseases, gender imbalances, etc.). Many abortion advocates (pro-abortion, not pro-choice) do in fact see abortion as a legitimate means of birth control... again, something that pro-choice advocates will not agree with.

 

[soccerballtux]

Those comments are about all the proof I need that liberals attract far more tools than republicans.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: inspire

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: n yusef
Murder = wrong. Even for anti-choice assholes.

anti-choice moniker = retarded. We don't call you guys pro-death.

Have a sense of fairness and call it what it is: Pro and anti abortion.

That's every bit as bad. Pro-choice is used for a very good reason, it is the choice to have an abortion that is being defended, not the abortion itself.

As for the activist, seems hard to say much of anything right now, it most certainly could be politically motivated... but activists get mugged too sometimes. Either way, anyone's death is sad.

The way I see it, we get called out for calling ourselves pro-life, on the grounds that we don't support all life. It seems fair to me to call you out for calling yourselves pro-choice, for not supporting all choices.

If we want the names to be completely honest, we can only go with pro and anti abortion, because that's what this boils down to.

Why don't you just let yourselves pick your own titles. WTF is wrong with pro-life and pro-choice? Each side defines itself by what it is for more than what it is against.

That's perfectly fine with me.

I am now pro-perfect.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Those comments are about all the proof I need that liberals attract far more tools than republicans.

Liberals attract more of everybody since no one joins the republican party these days.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
That's bullshiot, I'm Pro Choice and I hope the choice is that they have the child but if they choose not too then they can have an abortion.

I'm pro-choice, but I can see the inherent hypocrisy from the pro-choice side. Why is killing an unborn baby legal but once it takes oxygen into it's lungs illegal? What is the definition of a human? Why can a woman abort a fetus legally, while a person who punches a woman carrying a fetus be guilty of murder? How can a woman on drugs while pregnant be guilty of anything? I thought it wasn't a human yet?

Someone with the authority to do so needs to sprout a pair of cajones and define "human life" because until that happens we're just dealing with shades of gray.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: jonks

Liberals attract more of everybody since no one joins the republican party these days.

That would be an interesting point, if it were even remotely true.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/122...filiation-Shrinks.aspx

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: jonks

Liberals attract more of everybody since no one joins the republican party these days.

That would be an interesting point, if it were even remotely true.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/122...filiation-Shrinks.aspx

where does this show that people have joined the republican party?

It is important to note, however, that while the Democratic advantage in party support is shrinking, it is not being accompanied by a notable increase in core Republican Party identification. Rather, the shrinking gap is due more to a loss of Democratic support and an increase in "soft" Republican support from a growing proportion of Republican-leaning independents.

In any event, the republican party is made up almost entirely of white people in a country where the white population percentage steadily dwindles. The demographics of the republican party are strangling it. It is shrinking and unless something ridiculously major in their platform or demographics changes, the writing is on the wall.

 

[imported_inspire]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
That's bullshiot, I'm Pro Choice and I hope the choice is that they have the child but if they choose not too then they can have an abortion.

I'm pro-choice, but I can see the inherent hypocrisy from the pro-choice side. Why is killing an unborn baby legal but once it takes oxygen into it's lungs illegal? What is the definition of a human? Why can a woman abort a fetus legally, while a person who punches a woman carrying a fetus be guilty of murder? How can a woman on drugs while pregnant be guilty of anything? I thought it wasn't a human yet?

Someone with the authority to do so needs to sprout a pair of cajones and define "human life" because until that happens we're just dealing with shades of gray.

True, but a definition would also likely be fairly arbitrary - it wouldn't polarize the gray into black and white, but rather dilineate the grayscale. I kind of think it'd just be a huge clusterfuck.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Beware of those right-wing nutju......wait...

There is way to much conjecture in this article. Basically it says some guy got shot. His "job" was just holding up a sign with a view on it. This could have easily been a case of robbery or revenge or just an ever day crazy murder. Nothing in the article mentions motive for the killing.

When that abortion doctor was killed a few months ago, it was politically motivated. There was witnesses and proof of the motive. So far all this is is a murder.

The article should have said "Unemployed man killed in front of High School" or something of the sort. The writer just wanted to sensationalize it and allude to it being a political murder. At this stage this is no different than any other murder. Everyone has political views. If I am walking down the street and get murdered, I would hope they don't run an article that says "Pro-choice man gunned down outside of home" unless there is proof that was the reason.

 

[surfsatwerk]

http://www.google.com/hostedne...tuOwBy6YFaQBAD9ALGQ000

This article claims the killing was motivated by the victim's protesting outside of schools. So it seems to be just as politically motivated as the killings of doctors who provide abortions. Granted he had a death list and killed that gravel company owner, so it's fair to say abortion protesting was a secondary issue compared to killer being batshit crazy.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
http://www.google.com/hostedne...tuOwBy6YFaQBAD9ALGQ000

This article claims the killing was motivated by the victim's protesting outside of schools. So it seems to be just as politically motivated as the killings of doctors who provide abortions. Granted he had a death list and killed that gravel company owner, so it's fair to say abortion protesting was a secondary issue compared to killer being batshit crazy.

It seems to me that this man was in the mood for killing, and the guy being an anti-abortion protester had little to do with his being a target. He may have been killed b/c of his protesting about abortion, but obviously the killer was a man on the edge (well, off of it at this point) so it really doesn't apply fairly. This was just the murder of a couple of men by someone who was unstable. There really should not be any politicizing of this event. If the man was solely singled out, maybe it would be a political thing, but the man was just 1 on a murder list, so it kind of disambiguated the motivation for the killings. At least that is how I see it.