Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: nkgreen
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: nkgreen
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: nkgreen
2ND AMENDMENT.
NATURAL RIGHT.
That's not really a reason.
They're the reason you don't need a reason.
Nah, that's just a copout. If you can't come up with some good reasons as to why a Firearm is necessary, perhaps it's time for that "Right" to be retired?
Do you know what a "Right" is? Rights don't need reasons. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness don't have a big list that someone checks to make sure that there are good reasons for it.
You are mistaken. Many argue the validity of Rights all the time. Nothing gets the status of "Right' without a Reason first. That's where this whole issue centers on. The original Reasons for that Right no longer exist. Should it still be a Right and why?
You're attempting Circular Logic.
No, you are. Rights don't require reasons. That's why they're called inherent. The burden is on those who would take the right away to provide justification as to why that must be done. If you can't do that, then you have no basis to remove the right.
What makes a Right Inherent? Is it not because someone observed something and deemed it important for some Reason? Or did they just pick them out of a hat?
Actually, all rights are inherent. Everything exists until taken away, and then only upon reasonable justification. Nothing is picked out of a hat.
Take murder for example. There is no right to commit murder because the harm is obvious. Same with rape and robbery and so forth.
Now whittle every imaginable thing down from there. In each and every case, the burden lies upon the state as to why a citizen should not be allowed something.
So I don't have to prove to you why I can't own something, you do if you want to take it away.
The weird thing is that I know you call yourself a liberal, and yet what I'm saying here is like the very bedrock of liberal philosophy... and you apparently don't know it.