Another Violent Cop Shoots a Black Woman

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mect

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I kind of meant "what the fuck is a sheriff". :D
In case you are actually interested, the sheriff is over county level law enforcement, and is an elected position.
We have city police, sheriff (and deputies), state troopers, and then federal officers.
 

WelshBloke

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In case you are actually interested, the sheriff is over county level law enforcement, and is an elected position.
We have city police, sheriff (and deputies), state troopers, and then federal officers.
We just have police so you can see why I'd find it a bit overly complicated!
 

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Would a place have both?
I lived in Hollywood, in LA. It was simulataneously patrolled by the LAPD, the LA County Sheriffs (they were the ones with the prominent shotgun displayed in their cars) AND the California Highway Patrol (they had the biggest cars.) It felt like they tried to outdo each other coming down on folks.
 
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Would a place have both?
Very generally speaking, no. It really depends on where you live. If you live in a city with its own police force you wouldn't really see a County Sheriff. If you don't live in a city then the Sheriff is your police force.

There are some exceptions to this rule. You could live in a city but be driving on a county owned road and get pulled over by the sheriff.
 
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That's a lovely peice of cherry picked confirmation bias you've found there to justify your narrative that all blacks shot by police deserve it and there are not racist cops.

Carry on...

All of this, every single bit of it.
 

NWRMidnight

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Just saying, shooting is no fun for anyone black or white, but whole vid below.
He was more then respectful to her no matter the color
She had weed
She had coke
She had a gun
Her boyfriends car she was driving pulled up there was out standing warrants for him, he did not know who was driving, but its his job to pull over
she kept going back into the car, and bag though told not to
He tazed her first that did nothing to her
she pulled gun and shot cop FIRST
Threw gun to ground after shooting cop
Then got shot
Ran off
Again sad
Though video does not say, but shows, she fired 2 shots that I can tell, first hit the window shattering it
2nd I can tell by way hole was in door, but right below window, in the door you can see 2nd shot go into the door from the inside near the upper part of the door if you see the incident from the cars camera.

Sad yet again, but what is a cop supposed to do when shot at FIRST? Black white the other, before moving to the south, I was pulled over EVERY time a cop got behind me, and I was doing nothing wrong, yes legit NOTHING wrong, it was always this or that for being pulled over, but I was ALWAYS pulled over ANY time a cop car got behind me, and the ONLY time I EVER got a ticket was back in 1987 about 6 months after getting my drivers license and was in a small minor fender bender. Im now 49, and have not had as much as a speeding ticket. I been in the south now since 2005, and been pulled over one time, for doing 55 around a corner with a yellow "suggested" sign of 45 when I had my 88 Astro with a V8 under the hood and lowered in the front with drop spindles.

And my takeaway from moving to TN after living all over the USA for jobs and just moving:
FL-The worst, most racist place in America no matter your color, and OH YES colored people can be racist as FUCK too! I know, I was almost shot 3 times, and came across more racist colored people in my life around America then I have Whites, and NO I am not one of them, you like me, I like you.
TN, I have seen more happy people here of every color then anywhere else I have lived. Do not believe what you hear, for the most part the south is the least racist, aside of Floor a duh. I was thinking moving here was going to be all I heard especially from up north. But moving here, they wave at you driving down the road, though you so not know them at all. Everyone helps everyone. And ever seen a redneck, most all of them, playing heavy rock or death metal, while sipping on shine? I HAVE, ITS NUTS TO SEE!



He pulled over the car, because of who it was registered - ok.
He found out it wasn't the registered owner of the car - it was his girlfriend, asked for identification and ran it - ok
He learned she had a suspended licnese - ok
He did not arrest her for the suspended license - ok
He searches the car/her bag - NOT OK.
He decided to arrest her for the drugs - Ok if the search was legal, not ok because the search was illegal.

Unless he had probable cause to search the car (A suspended license is not probable cause, ruled by the SCOTUS in 2009) Much less her backpack. That right there was the police officers mistake that lead to the outcome of this situation. Yes, he was justified in returning fire when he did (that is not in dispute, and does not indicate racial bias), because she pulled a gun on him after he tazed her and shot him. but do to his mistake, an illegal one, without a legitimate probable cause (police just can't search your car for any reason), he started the chain of events that lead to the shoot out. NO that does not justify her shooting him or even pulling a gun.

The question that you must ask is: Why did he search the car and her bag? That answer is what may help determine if this was racially motivated, regardless of the outcome, regardless of how nice he was, and regardless that his returning fire at that instance was justified. Was it just a simple mistake, or a racial motivated search? We don't know the answer to that. There may also be more details unknown to us that are not in the video, or I missed. Which is just another reason the OP's intentions backfired. As he is focused on just the one event while ignoring what lead up to that event to imply that there is no racial motivation with police officers and/or there was no racial motivation in this stop. Racial bias/motivation doesn't have to include or exclude violence.
 
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He pulled over the car, because of who it was registered - ok.
He found out it wasn't the registered owner of the car - it was his girlfriend, asked for identification and ran it - ok
He learned she had a suspended licnese - ok
He did not arrest her for the suspended license - ok
He searches the car/her bag - NOT OK.
He decided to arrest her for the drugs - Ok if the search was legal, not ok because the search was illegal.

Unless he had probable cause to search the car (A suspended license is not probable cause, ruled by the SCOTUS in 2009) Much less her backpack. That right there was the police officers mistake that lead to the outcome of this situation. Yes, he was justified in returning fire when he did (that is not in dispute, and does not indicate racial bias), because she pulled a gun on him after he tazed her and shot him. but do to his mistake, an illegal one, without a legitimate probable cause (police just can't search your car for any reason), he started the chain of events that lead to the shoot out. NO that does not justify her shooting him or even pulling a gun.

The question that you must ask is: Why did he search the car and her bag? That answer is what may help determine if this was racially motivated, regardless of the outcome, regardless of how nice he was, and regardless that his returning fire at that instance was justified. Was it just a simple mistake, or a racial motivated search? We don't know the answer to that. There may also be more details unknown to us that are not in the video, or I missed. Which is just another reason the OP's intentions backfired. As he is focused on just the one event while ignoring what lead up to that event to imply that there is no racial motivation with police officers and/or there was no racial motivation in this stop. Racial bias/motivation doesn't have to include or exclude violence.

Someone didn't read the articles, watch the videos, or anything apparently.

She openly admitted to having weed and offered for him to search the bag. Consent was given - in addition to an admittance of having drugs - he didn't even really ask to search it if i recall.

But hell, probable cause could also have been obtained from her numerous other nervous reactions.


I still find it hilarious how you guys only think return fire is acceptable - but first firing is always bringing out the pitch-forks mob.
 
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Someone didn't read the articles, watch the videos, or anything apparently.

She openly admitted to having weed and offered for him to search the bag. Consent was given - in addition to an admittance of having drugs - he didn't even really ask to search it if i recall.

But hell, probable cause could also have been obtained from her numerous other nervous reactions.


I still find it hilarious how you guys only think return fire is acceptable - but first firing is always bringing out the pitch-forks mob.
I think you have problems reading where I said i may have missed information. However, the video you posted has been edited and is missing the interaction that lead to him asking her what she took out of the bag, if anything. Where he told her to bring her purse out of the car. (Was she going after her license or acting like it? Why was the video edited and his first interaction ommitted?)

The aricle is meaningless because guess where the information and details come from? The police and what ever footage they allowed them to have access too and statements made by the police officer.

Obviously someone also doesn't understand (by choice) what would happen if she refused, specially being black. He had zero probably cause to even ask if she bad drugs and that is not something she would just tell him unless he gave her a reason. (Acting nervous, specially after being pulled over is not probable cause, as probable cause has to include evidence that a crime has been commited that supports a search) A suspended license is not a valid reason to ask if she had drugs etc. A woman pulling something out of her purse when looking for something such as her wallet, ( license) is normal, and is no reason for him to quesrion her about it. (He was looking for something suspicious) so Even asking falls under probably cause and is not relivent to a suspended license that he may not even know about yet.

And no, nervious reaction is not probable cause, and once again, another example of you oblivious (by choice) of how white people, blacks, and other minorities act around police. We as caucasians have to follow a different set of guidelines vs minorities, which also effects how we act around police.

This death could have been avoided if the police officer handle things a little different. You know, like handcuffing the person he believed committed a crime that he believed gave him probable cause to search her bag.
 
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Pohemi

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But hell, probable cause could also have been obtained from her numerous other nervous reactions.
Holy shit, you're a fucktarded clown. You have no fucking clue what "Probable Cause" is, do you? Obviously not. You just act the authoritarian idiot.
You think police should be able to stop and search someone because the officer subjectively states that the 'subject' was acting suspiciously.

Fuck off, c*nt.

And no, nervious reaction is not probable cause, and once again, another example of you oblivious (by choice) of how white people, blacks, and other minorities act around police.

This death could have been avoided if the police officer handle things a little different. You know, like handcuffing the person he believed committed a crime that he believed gave him probable cause to search her bag.
I agree with the last part of your statement, and thought the same thing after watching the video...that the officer did not properly control his situation, and as usual, the point of escalation only took seconds.
 
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WelshBloke

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I lived in Hollywood, in LA. It was simulataneously patrolled by the LAPD, the LA County Sheriffs (they were the ones with the prominent shotgun displayed in their cars) AND the California Highway Patrol (they had the biggest cars.) It felt like they tried to outdo each other coming down on folks.
How do they all avoid treading on each others toes if they both (I'm ignoring the car cops here) end up investigating the same crime?
 

WelshBloke

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I wikkied to try to understand better and got this excellent quote.
"Policing in the United States is conducted by "around 18,000 federal, state, local and city departments, all with their own rules". Every state has its own nomenclature for agencies, and their powers, responsibilities and funding vary from state to state."

And now I'm even more WTF!
 

Pohemi

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How do they all avoid treading on each others toes if they both (I'm ignoring the car cops here) end up investigating the same crime?
Jurisdiction. Basically it's like law enforcement "rank" within an area, and whom gets assigned responsibility for cases or crime scenes.
Until the FBI arrives on-scene and trumps everybody else's authority.
i.e. local/municipal < county < statewide < federal
 
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Very generally speaking, no. It really depends on where you live. If you live in a city with its own police force you wouldn't really see a County Sheriff. If you don't live in a city then the Sheriff is your police force.

There are some exceptions to this rule. You could live in a city but be driving on a county owned road and get pulled over by the sheriff.

I'm retired OCSO. (Medical) although I never worked the streets, I flew Baker One. (Air Support). The County Sheriff's Department is also responsible for the jails, and the bailiffs that you see standing in court. In addition to inmate transportation to and from court. They are also the contracted police departments for unincorporated cities. These are usually cities or communities that are too small to have their own departments. (Temecula and Lake Elsinore spring to mind).

California also has a statewide Police Department, that is responsible for public safety on UC (University of California), campus properties.

There's also the actual State Police which is a separate division, that could best be described as the state equivalent to the United States Secret Service. They're responsible for security of the governor, lieutenant governor, state capitol, and other government properties.

Jurisdiction. Basically it's like law enforcement "rank" within an area, and whom gets assigned responsibility for cases or crime scenes.
Until the FBI arrives on-scene and trumps everybody else's authority.
i.e. local/municipal < county < statewide < federal

The exception being bank robberies. FBI has automatic jurisdiction over any bank robbery occurring anywhere in the country. I think that applies to kidnapping as well.
 
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I wikkied to try to understand better and got this excellent quote.
"Policing in the United States is conducted by "around 18,000 federal, state, local and city departments, all with their own rules". Every state has its own nomenclature for agencies, and their powers, responsibilities and funding vary from state to state."

And now I'm even more WTF!
Sounds like our healthcare. It's the American way.