Another train derailment in my area

[feralkid]

I'm glad we saved the world by not having pipelines.

 

[Imp]

Looks like some cars ended up in a river and a bridge was taken out. That line's out of commission for a while...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbu...ff-tracks-five-cars-in-river-system-1.2986150

 

[Red Squirrel]

Sorry, this isn't true. I do all my work with pipeline companies, and while some are a bit shady, the vast majority aren't. They track their capacities down to minute detail and can catch leaks fairly quickly. There is no such thing as a small leak in a pipeline, it's seamless welded pipe that is NDE'd the entire length. Your only real leak paths are at the stations themselves.

Except for when there is a leak. Imagine this happening in a non habited area. It would be much worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mskhvWC8cKw

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents

In principle they ARE safer, problem is, they are being run by companies that care more about profits than the environment.

And yep cars in the river. CN was stopping people from taking pics but glad to see some are starting to surface. This is really really bad. I feel sorry for anyone upstream of that. I just hope CN is held fully accountable and are forced to clean it all up.

 

[Imp]

And yep cars in the river. CN was stopping people from taking pics but glad to see some are starting to surface. This is really really bad. I feel sorry for anyone upstream of that. I just hope CN is held fully accountable and are forced to clean it all up.

Don't worry, it's not in Toronto, so it's not a big deal...

 

[Red Squirrel]

Don't worry, it's not in Toronto, so it's not a big deal...

Sadly that's probably how the government is going to see it. "it will be dissipated by the time it gets here".

The north usually gets screwed over. They've been killing off a lot of services, ironicly, passenger train service being one of them.

 

[mmntech]

Sadly that's probably how the government is going to see it. "it will be dissipated by the time it gets here".

The north usually gets screwed over. They've been killing off a lot of services, ironicly, passenger train service being one of them.

If it makes you feel any better, they don't care about the GTA either. She just sees us as her personal piggy bank to pay for pork barrel projects in the downtown.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Pics of crews/equipment to repair. (not my pic)

 

[Red Squirrel]

If it makes you feel any better, they don't care about the GTA either. She just sees us as her personal piggy bank to pay for pork barrel projects in the downtown.

Haha, like those ridiculously expensive umbrellas? :biggrin:

 

[Red Squirrel]

UPDATE Oct 31 2016

They had previously abandoned the site without cleaning it up properly but looks like the public fought hard enough and are getting CN to actually clean it properly (hopefully) this time.

http://www.timminspress.com/2016/10...e+river+|+Timmins+Press#.WBgAF2Gmk2A.facebook

GOGAMA - CN Rail is evidently bowing to public pressure and is planning to dredge sections of the Makami River near Gogama despite the insistence of its own scientists that it would be better to leave the oil in the river’s sediment undisturbed.

Gogama Fire Chief Mike Benson informed his fellow residents at a public meeting on Monday that CN had made an official application to the Ministry of the Environment earlier that day asking for permission to remove contaminated sediment in three places.

CN spokesman Patrick Waldron confirmed that the railroad met with Environment Canada and the Ministry of Natural Resources as well as other stakeholders on Monday to “discuss the potential of completing additional sediment removal in the river before winter.”

Benson said the dredging represents an important victory for the residents of Gogama and the nearby Mattagami First Nation, who have been demanding that the oil at the bottom of the river be cleaned up before the winter freeze sets in.

“It’s just one step, but they are for sure going to be removing oil. That’s our whole goal. They are going to be removing oil from the three worst areas so that certainly a plus for us,” said Benson. “We had some people who thought that we could never go up against CN and win, but I’m declaring this a win.”

A week-and-half ago, such a victory looked far from certain.

Benson and Mattagami First Nation chief Walter Naveau travelled to Queen’s Park armed with a petition with more than 1,000 signatures and the endorsement of several municipalities — including Timmins — calling on the government to require CN to clean up the oil in the river before the water freezes — he fear being that the spring thaw would cause the oil to continue migrating downstream.

But when Benson and Naveau had their issue raised during Question Period by MPP France Gélinas (NDP – Nickle Belt), they were essentially rebuffed by Environment Minister Glenn Murray. The Minister said the government had a process to follow, and that required them to let CN complete its scientific testing before going ahead with any sediment removal.

Even if the provincial government was not prepared to fast-track the clean up schedule to satisfy concerns from residents, said Benson, it’s clear that CN was feeling the pressure.

“They clearly stated at the round-table that they only reason they’re doing it is because of public pressure. They said they are still not sure that there’s an environmental positive to it, but due to the public pressure they had to do something,” said Benson.

In his response to The Daily Press, Waldron didn’t say what role protests, petitions and municipal endorsements played in their decision, but did say that data from their most recent round of testing found “three specific areas by the derailment site show slight exceedances of oil presence beyond acceptable limits.”

“CN is developing a plan to complete sediment removal in those areas while protecting fish habitat, and seeking regulatory approval to do so before the river freezes. The sediment removal would begin as soon as possible and take place over the coming weeks,” said Waldron.

The next step for the residents of Gogama and Mattagami, according to Benson, is to keep up the pressure to make sure the government approves the dredging — something he said is not a sure thing, given Murray’s response in the legislature earlier this month.

“It’s clearly evident to me that the CN folks and the (environmental consultants) from GHD knew more about what they were talking about than our Minister of Environment. It seems a lot like the cart is leading the horse if you know what I mean.”

It's funny how these spills happen all the time and most people do not realize just how bad they really are. A lot of them get abandoned without proper cleanup and the public in the area needs to keep fighting to get it cleaned up. Then you have endless days of coverage on the news if a little mishap or near miss happens at a nuclear plant.

 

[lxskllr]

I wonder if that is the best course of action. At this point, I'd be inclined to leave the oil. They should have thrown everything at it when the spill first happened. You're disturbing ghosts now, and could make things worse.

 

[lxskllr]

Was just looking up Gogama. You can buy a whole lodge and six cabins for $500k. I could have the squirrel over for tea, and we could chase bears :^D

http://www.sellingthenorth.com/listings/l0106.html

 

[denis280]

this was a bad one.not to far.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQzhGRFqk2g

 

[sdifox]

Train derailments seem to happen all the time. I get a lot of packages delivered and I'll get delays due to derailments 1-2 times a year.

I think I found the train bomber

 

[Red Squirrel]

Was just looking up Gogama. You can buy a whole lodge and six cabins for $500k. I could have the squirrel over for tea, and we could chase bears :^D

http://www.sellingthenorth.com/listings/l0106.html

Yeah can find some real estate gems in these small towns sometimes. I like looking for fun and I've even found private islands going for like 100k. you can often get a standard house/property for like 50k in some of these places.

Downside is trying to find a job, but makes a great retirement place. Might need to invest in extra water filters though.

 

[Ichinisan]

Amazing train rerailment:

 

[pete6032]

Pipeline is worse in a way, because it's an unlimited supply. If a small leak happens in a remote area they wont bother to fix it, or even know about it. It will eventually pollute a much larger area but if nobody lives there, nobody will care.

Best of both worlds would be a pipe line that is fully above ground with proper leak containment trays setup and laws that fully regulate it. But that would not happen since the lawmakers and oil companies are in bed with each other.

A pipeline is multiple times over more safe than transporting crude on rail. Just wait until one of these derailments happens in an urbanized metropolitan area, it could kill tens of thousands of people.

Sorry, this isn't true. I do all my work with pipeline companies, and while some are a bit shady, the vast majority aren't. They track their capacities down to minute detail and can catch leaks fairly quickly. There is no such thing as a small leak in a pipeline, it's seamless welded pipe that is NDE'd the entire length. Your only real leak paths are at the stations themselves.

Exactly.

 

[Red Squirrel]

You mean like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mskhvWC8cKw

Problem with pipelines and the current mentality used when installing them is that they are buried, set, and forget. When they decide to go, it's a huge disaster. When leaks happen in unpopulated areas who knows how long it takes before it gets discovered so it means a HUGE ecological disaster. Just because people are not the victims does not make it ok.

Now if these had double walls, and were full of sensors, and had regular inspections and maintenance then I do agree they would be safer.

What I do find interesting is that gas pipe lines don't seem to get as many issues yet there are way more of them if you consider the smaller "drops" going to each house. They run at thousands of PSI then get brought down as they get to cities and subdivisions. Maybe they actually do get inspected better, or maybe because it's a gas and not a solid there is less wear and tear? Of course when gas pipelines do go... it's quite disastrous and levels entire neighborhoods.

Oil pipelines tend to be mostly from point A to B with less branches so you'd think there would not be as many disasters.

The ultimate solution would be to stop relying on fossil fuel for energy and only use it for solid products, then the oil would be like any other chemical that needs to be transported and there would not be such a high need for it. But for home heating they'd have to slash hydro prices to like 1/10th of what they are now for it to be viable for heat and electric cars would need to be more widely available.