Another step in the Turkish aggression

[SamurAchzar]

Turkey now threatens Cyprus to use military force if the latter goes ahead with drilling for oil and gas near its shores. For those who don't know the background, in 1974 the Turks invaded Cyprus, militarily colonizing half of it. No country ever recognized their right to remain on the island but they are not especially bothered. Now they claim the natural resources in the territorial water of Cyprus belong to Turkey and threaten with the use of the Turkish navy.

Read more about the ongoing dispute in Cyprus here

Article here

TURKEY’S EU Affairs Minister Egemen Bagis yesterday issued a number of threats at Cyprus in daily including one to send naval vessels to the drilling area.
Bagis was quoted in Zaman newspaper as saying that when explorations were made in the past, ships from the Turkish military fleet “were quick to make their way to the area”.
“It’s for this reason that we built our army and trained our soldiers,” said Bagis claiming that “it is illegal to explore waters that do not belong to them.”
“The Greek Cypriot side had tried to make similar moves in the past but there are some who remember what they went up against,” he added.
He also stated that Turkey will make use of all its rights under international law and will act accordingly.
Drilling is due to begin on October 1.

So Turkey is now positioning itself as the regional bully with military threats on Cyprus and Israel and repeated attacks on civilian Kurdish population in Iraq.

Do you think a Cyprus-Greece-Israeli defense pact help to make Turkey stand down and mind its own business?

 

[Macamus Prime]

Turkey is to the US what a spoiled trouble making brat is to it's mother.

I am surprised they haven't taken over the entire island.

And, the US will support Turkey, even if there is video footage of the Turkish military stomping on the heads of Cypriot children.

See, the US CAN support non-Jewish people in harming Non-Arab/Muslims in the Middle East.

 

[Broheim]

you won't see the usual suspects crying about this, the noble muslims can do no evil.

also, cue LL and Oric.

 

[Atreus21]

you won't see the usual suspects crying about this, the noble muslims can do no evil.

also, cue LL and Oric.

To be fair, Turkey is considered secular.

For the time being.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Turkey now threatens Cyprus to use military force if the latter goes ahead with drilling for oil and gas near its shores. For those who don't know the background, in 1974 the Turks invaded Cyprus, militarily colonizing half of it. No country ever recognized their right to remain on the island but they are not especially bothered. Now they claim the natural resources in the territorial water of Cyprus belong to Turkey and threaten with the use of the Turkish navy.

Read more about the ongoing dispute in Cyprus here

Article here

So Turkey is now positioning itself as the regional bully with military threats on Cyprus and Israel and repeated attacks on civilian Kurdish population in Iraq.

Do you think a Cyprus-Greece-Israeli defense pact help to make Turkey stand down and mind its own business?

Turkey can have Cyprus and Greece. If they agree to pay to the EU what Greece owns the EU. It is already obvious that Greece again is going to need loans. And it is obvious that the Greek government is again playing with the numbers because agreed upon financial appointments will not be met once again. Highly likely that Greece will again ask for multiple billions of euro's of support disguised as loans they are never going to pay back. Decades ago, Dutch and other EU millionaires warned that the only thing that Greece exports is inflation. And that allowing Greece in would be a devastation to the EU to come. They got it right it seems.


It is no similar than multiple campaigns about smoking tobacco is bad for your health and that it should not happen. Yet the piigs got millions to billions EU subsidy to farm tobacco plants. IIRC Cigarettes made from these tobacco plants where not allowed to be sold in the EU because of to much tar.
This has been the case since 1992 and was still going in 2008. Direct subsidizing of the tobacco industry in the EU is gone IIRC. But Greece was still producing high tar level tobacco while being subsidized. Which of course was sold legally (for eu standards) out side the EU. How is it possible that people in the EU are (understandable to an degree) forced to no longer enjoy smokes because it is bad for the health, yet production of high tar tobacco is still going on to support the parasite of the EU.

http://www.conservativeeurope.com/news/730/hypocritical-eu-vote-for-tobacco-subsidies.aspx

 

[William Gaatjes]

I am not going to claim that Turkey is perfect and has no questionable history. But if we are going to look at any country with that view, you might as well go to Polynesia perhaps.

 

[-Slacker-]

Turkey can have Cyprus and Greece. If they agree to pay to the EU what Greece owns the EU. It is already obvious that Greece again is going to need loans. And it is obvious that the Greek government is again playing with the numbers because agreed upon financial appointments will not be met once again. Highly likely that Greece will again ask for multiple billions of euro's of support disguised as loans they are never going to pay back. Decades ago, Dutch and other EU millionaires warned that the only thing that Greece exports is inflation. And that allowing Greece in would be a devastation to the EU to come. They got it right it seems.


It is no similar than multiple campaigns about smoking tobacco is bad for your health and that it should not happen. Yet the piigs got millions to billions EU subsidy to farm tobacco plants. IIRC Cigarettes made from these tobacco plants where not allowed to be sold in the EU because of to much tar.
This has been the case since 1992 and was still going in 2008. Direct subsidizing of the tobacco industry in the EU is gone IIRC. But Greece was still producing high tar level tobacco while being subsidized. Which of course was sold legally (for eu standards) out side the EU. How is it possible that people in the EU are (understandable to an degree) forced to no longer enjoy smokes because it is bad for the health, yet production of high tar tobacco is still going on to support the parasite of the EU.

http://www.conservativeeurope.com/news/730/hypocritical-eu-vote-for-tobacco-subsidies.aspx

I am not going to claim that Turkey is perfect and has no questionable history. But if we are going to look at any country with that view, you might as well go to Polynesia perhaps.

Cyprus...

 

[Broheim]

I am not going to claim that Turkey is perfect and has no questionable history. But if we are going to look at any country with that view, you might as well go to Polynesia perhaps.

how about "questionable" present, kurds still go "missing" all the time.

 

[Moonbeam]

Israel chose the path of strength and intimidation in dealing with its neighbors and now its neighbors are becoming strong and intimidating. He who lives by the sword dies by the sword. But Israel's greatest critics will always be wise Jews.

 

[Karl Agathon]

Israel chose the path of strength and intimidation in dealing with its neighbors and now its neighbors are becoming strong and intimidating. He who lives by the sword dies by the sword. But Israel's greatest critics will always be wise Jews.

Do you have any comments on the Turkish agression towards Cyprus?

 

[RabidMongoose]

The US should just side with Turkey on this issue. There's no strategic advantage in supporting declining European powers.

 

[Moonbeam]

Do you have any comments on the Turkish agression towards Cyprus?

That was my comment. The new focus on the Turkish Cyprus thingi is the result of trying to make Turkey regret taking a new hard line on Israel. This is all about Israel, not Turkey. I just wanted to point out the bull shit here for what it is. Jewish zealots have a new target to hate and a new propaganda war to fight. They are being taken to the Hague, right? But the biggest critics of Israel are the Turks but other Jews. Israel like Turkey and Greece on Cyprus, went down the wrong path. He who lives by the sword dies by the sword. It's just a matter of time.

 

[SamurAchzar]

That was my comment. The new focus on the Turkish Cyprus thingi is the result of trying to make Turkey regret taking a new hard line on Israel. This is all about Israel, not Turkey. I just wanted to point out the bull shit here for what it is. Jewish zealots have a new target to hate and a new propaganda war to fight. They are being taken to the Hague, right? But the biggest critics of Israel are the Turks but other Jews. Israel like Turkey and Greece on Cyprus, went down the wrong path. He who lives by the sword dies by the sword. It's just a matter of time.

Yes, how dared the Jewish zealots to pick up a gun and fight in the face of extermination by 5 Muslim nations in 1948. Surely they should have gone to the slaughter like in the Holocaust few years before!

Last I heard, Israel is not managed by Turkey. Turkey can to the Hauge or any other venue to protest Israel's action, although the UN official report supports the Israeli position. Apart from that, considering their treatment of the Kurds and their occupation of Cyprus they should be careful when it comes to international review. He who lives in a glass house...

 

[ZzZGuy]

Pffft, Turkey isn't going to do ****.

-NATO/USA isn't going to back Turkey if they try to start a war of aggression.
-The EU doesn't like their balls being squeezed by Russia over oil & gas so they got a hungry eye on Cyprus and Israel which are likely to export to them. Turkey is a leaf blowing in the wind that could go in many directions, most of which the EU wont' like.
-Russia even backs Cyprus (note there is no North/Turkish Cyprus, only the occupied north) in exploring and exploiting gas.
-I can't say this for sure, but I think the local arabs aren't too happy with Turkey for their support and/or lack of support of local dictators. Turkeys support for Iran isn't winning their hearts either and Iran isn't happy with the NATO radar dish going up to intercept their missiles.
-And Israel, well I think anyone reading this thread would know how that's going.


Also note that I think what turkey did in invading Cyprus was the right thing to do as bad things were going down. Everything would have been fine by now had they not declared New Turkey in the northern part of the island.

Now what would be the most likely flash point imho is if Israel starts getting spiteful and provides security to Cyprus gas exploration to prove if they have any gas/oil fields. Once large gas reserves are proven you'll have a very hardline from the EU which Turkey will want to preempt by stopping any exploration. Israel may see this as a way to restrain Turkey so they may be willing to start a shooting war if things get bad with Turkey. But if Turkey tries this then a great many powers will tell them to back the **** down.

So in sort, things are looking lonely in the playground for Turkey.

 

[Schadenfroh]

The US should just side with Turkey on this issue. There's no strategic advantage in supporting declining European powers.

Europe, once the parasitic countries are ejected from the EU or reformed via a much closer political union, will rise to become a superpower. It is already a scientific and cultural powerhouse, once the finances / politics are reformed, the last weakness of it as a whole will be removed.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yes, how dared the Jewish zealots to pick up a gun and fight in the face of extermination by 5 Muslim nations in 1948. Surely they should have gone to the slaughter like in the Holocaust few years before!

Last I heard, Israel is not managed by Turkey. Turkey can to the Hauge or any other venue to protest Israel's action, although the UN official report supports the Israeli position. Apart from that, considering their treatment of the Kurds and their occupation of Cyprus they should be careful when it comes to international review. He who lives in a glass house...

This blustering silliness changes nothing as to why you started this thread. And other Jews are far far more critical of the type of Jew you are than I. Israel chose to deal with its neighbors with greater force but the tables will change. I don't wish that on them. I pity Israel. My greatest heroes are Jews. But if Israel had spent half as much effort worrying about the oppressed Arab people as they did about themselves, today they might have some real friends.

 

[metalfacepc]

The US should just side with Turkey on this issue. There's no strategic advantage in supporting declining European powers.

You have a point, but it sounds like Turkey is the aggressor here. I would try to stay out of it, especially if other nations don't recognize Turkey's presence there

 

[Oric]

Very complex problem presented here as Turkey's fault. Why ? Because we stepped on the İsrael's foot.

Turkey's aggression, my ass ...

Ok you often hear about Turkey invading Cyprus ... Probably what you dont hear about is at Cyprus is a failed project like Yugoslavia. Who lives in Norhern Cyprus ? Turkish Cypriots .. Who lives in the South ? Greek Cypriots ... Was it a good idea for them to live together ? Well between 1963-1974 Greek Cypriots preffered to try get rid of the Turks and make the island annex to Greece (look for enosis plan in google). Turkey intevened and divided the island ... So many years have passed and you know why the island never united again ? Because even though Turkey and Turkish Cypriots agree with UN plans for unification (which is unlike the practices of israel) Greek cypriots said "no" to the Annan plan which gave equal right to Turks and Greeks in the new republic, as it was in 1963 constitution. You can read about the history so i wont go into more details.

The oil problem is an extension of the complex problem, Turkey certainly will not tolerate one sided claims on possible energy reserves without the politicla problem being solved, israel backs greek cypriots to teach Turkey a lesson, some uneducated folks (on regional politics) jump on the situation like they have found gold. You folks have 7 seperate navy units circling the world defending united states claims on world energy resources, Tirkey certainly has a right to defend hers. What is your real problem here ?

And you Broheim, the mysterious European, what is your problem wth Turks ? And memories ?

 

[William Gaatjes]

Europe, once the parasitic countries are ejected from the EU or reformed via a much closer political union, will rise to become a superpower. It is already a scientific and cultural powerhouse, once the finances / politics are reformed, the last weakness of it as a whole will be removed.

From what i read in the news: Angela Merkel, the German chancellor is experiencing serious political problems. All the decisions that has been made such as shutting down all nuclear facilities in the future and the still on going support for the piigs has made her loose her popularity with the German voters.
I do not know what the near future will bring for Germany.

In general, i think the elite of the noth west EU is now becoming a bit tired of all of this as well. I do wonder what the old rich and possibly new rich will do. It makes sense that when the rich start bleeding money, they are going to lobby for serious action over years to come.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Turkey annexation of half of Cyprus was never recognized by anyone other than Turkey. If they are right and just, why don't they practice what they preach and head to the UN to get recognition?

 

[William Gaatjes]

how about "questionable" present, kurds still go "missing" all the time.

I have learned that in these matters nobody is innocent. I will not judge until knowing all history.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Pffft, Turkey isn't going to do ****.

-NATO/USA isn't going to back Turkey if they try to start a war of aggression.
-The EU doesn't like their balls being squeezed by Russia over oil & gas so they got a hungry eye on Cyprus and Israel which are likely to export to them. Turkey is a leaf blowing in the wind that could go in many directions, most of which the EU wont' like.
-Russia even backs Cyprus (note there is no North/Turkish Cyprus, only the occupied north) in exploring and exploiting gas.
-I can't say this for sure, but I think the local arabs aren't too happy with Turkey for their support and/or lack of support of local dictators. Turkeys support for Iran isn't winning their hearts either and Iran isn't happy with the NATO radar dish going up to intercept their missiles.
-And Israel, well I think anyone reading this thread would know how that's going.


Also note that I think what turkey did in invading Cyprus was the right thing to do as bad things were going down. Everything would have been fine by now had they not declared New Turkey in the northern part of the island.

Now what would be the most likely flash point imho is if Israel starts getting spiteful and provides security to Cyprus gas exploration to prove if they have any gas/oil fields. Once large gas reserves are proven you'll have a very hardline from the EU which Turkey will want to preempt by stopping any exploration. Israel may see this as a way to restrain Turkey so they may be willing to start a shooting war if things get bad with Turkey. But if Turkey tries this then a great many powers will tell them to back the **** down.

So in sort, things are looking lonely in the playground for Turkey.

If this is indeed about oil or gas fields. I would not be surprised if Greece would to strike out. The emotions are there. The despair is there. Very unhealthy situation. History teaches a scape goat would be ideal for the Greece government and to get the Greek population along. I am getting worried because i am seeing a pattern arise i do not like to see when looking at Greek history and Greek partners.