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Another scientific DC effort

No, I'm still wasting my time trying to crack an encrypted key using a brute force method. 😛

Not to mention the $$, the stats, the fun, the knowledge gained, the stable clients, the friendship, did I mention stats?, and working towards the goal of regaining the #1 spot from the DPCs. 😀

Oh yeah, I also do OGR, which has real world applications too. Not to mention the stats. 😀

Besides, I like wasting time. 🙂
 
"The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offense."
- Edsgar Dijkstra

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Didn't he say that on a panel with Grace Hopper sitting right near him?

 
Brute - I'm running genome@home. The project just started around Feb. 2, so it's still relatively new and is related to folding@home (same group).

But I do all sorts of projects including RC5 (and now a bit of OGR) and SETI... 😉
 
"Are you people still wasting your time looking for aliens?" - Brute

Umm... Yes. 😉

Rob
 
No, I truly think S@H and D.net are a total waste of time and nothing productive will come from them. F@H, G@H, Popular Power, UD.com and Entropia all are working on efforts that will yield real benefits for people. Breaking a 64-bit key after repeated trial and error for several years accomplishes nothing except to prove how effective 64-bit encryption is.
 
We didnt even prove how secure RC-5/64 is by running the client. The strength could be proved easily mathematically by the keyrate (speed) and the number of keys out there. Time taken estimation could also done more accurately by Statistically/Probability. Basically the RC5-64 proved NOTHING at the end, except for giving us some fun at making some friends and looking at the stats everyday. Weird enough, I am running it myself 🙂
 
I'm still with both the SETI and RC5 projects, and I do them because a) I don't see SETI as a waste of time and, b) Because I want to help our team win back 1st place in that project and finish the project.

Reasons that I'm NOT involved in the Geonome projects or like? Many new massive super-computers, parallel-processors, and Linux clusters are coming online just to process these kinds of projects, AND they're funded by organizations and companies with a whole lot more money than I've got; ananlogy: I suppose I could enter a 10 mile race with a skate board competing with other entrants who come armed with a Porsche 911 Turbo.. but why would I want to do that? 😕
 
if brute=troll
and troll=wastetime
then brute=wastetime 😉
elseif brute<troll
then me=sorry🙁
 
So while we are on the subject of genome@home I noticed there is a TA there so I joined.
Does anyone know if this is a more intel=faster or amd k62=faster kind of program.
I have a couple K62 mobos I could wire up and get crackin, they just are no good at seti.
 
Brute
I know we've been here before ,but I had to answer 😛

I don't believe SETI is a waste of time because 1.We might find something with this current project ,either way ,2.It generates additional interest in the subject which will help future (&amp; better) projects continue the search.
Oh yeah ,also if we never start looking ,we'll never find anything ever!😛

That's the short version 😉
 
Does anyone know if this is a more intel=faster or amd k62=faster kind of program.

Hi Wiz! 🙂

So far, I've been running genome@home on a OC'd Duron 700@963 only, but it's still up in the air as to which is faster (need to try to compare with my OC'd P3). Alot of it will depend on how big a WU you get (ie., a WU gets downloaded with X number of amino acids - sometimes 13, sometimes 56, sometimes 82 or 100, etc.)... There are 3 different passes of 30 steps that the program goes through for each amino acid. If I recall one particular 82aa WU, it took about 32 hours to do. It did a 13aa in about 10 hours. This was with it running RC5 alongside with a priority set to 4...

The code author/porter has indicated that he originally compiled the code explicitly for intel P6 core, however doing that unintentionally left the K6-2 unable to run the program at all. He then came back around and took those special optimizations out to basically make it pretty close to an i386 equivalent. He's still putzing with it to optimize though.

Bottom line? People are gathering data on it but the avg K6-2 will probably take a couple days to run an average-sized WU. A near-Ghz machine (either brand processor) will help to get at least 1WU completed/day if you get big ones). Mhz is king for this project at this point! 🙂
 
Ive never understood why people come in here and put down RC5 and SETI. Dnet and the SETI gang are the people who have made distributed computing popular. Without them your little unoriginal@home projects would not exist. If you are trying to recruit members for a project, calling the two largest distributed computing projects &quot;a total waste of time and nothing productive will come from them&quot; is most definatly not the way to do it.
 
It isn't that hard to figure out why people come here to trash our projects.

Go to a Ford automobile forum. There will be General Motors trash talkers.

Go to a Greenpeace forum. There will be trash talkers.

Go to a (insert your cause here) forum. There will be trash talkers.

The only decision we have is, do we ignore it, or do we ignore it?

Perhaps we should just ignore it!
 
If all you S@H supporters are ignoring me then why do you respond? 🙂

I like to challenge ppl and see what justifications I get back, because I have to admit, I think S@H and D.net, while cool pioneers, are, relatively speaking, a waste of time. I don't pretend to understand the sentiment behind some answers, although I can understand wanting to make TA number one in the lists.

If I'm gonna leave my computers on and run up my electrical bill, then I want to at least feel like my computers are doing something useful, and to me, that's learning how genetics works and finding cures for disease, not brute force hacking on for a needle in a haystack.
 
Not that I have any need of justification, for what I choose to do with my time and resources is my business and mine alone, however I'd just like to mention that I sometimes jokingly say I do S@H to prove indeed that there is NO intelligent life anywhere in the universe.
If indeed there is not intelligent life in the universe, then searching for it is not intelligent, adding weight to the theory. You can see the path to circular logic here, but that alone does not prove your intelligence. Existentialism can be fun 😉
Of course I'm not saying I believe any of that, it's just what I sometimes jokingly tell people.
 
If I'm gonna leave my computers on and run up my electrical bill, then I want to at least feel like my computers are doing something useful, and to me, that's learning how genetics works and finding cures for disease, not brute force hacking on for a needle in a haystack.

Brute - alot of folks have come and gone here saying the same in a trolling type of manner... In about 99.9% of the case, I ignore them because they are trolling, but in your case, I'll respond since I am running multiple projects including RC5, OGR, AND both genome and folding (and as an FYI - my 56aa genome is uploading as I type this)...

RC5 appeals to many people, maybe not so much due to the goal of it, but to one's ability to get to that goal. That is, it stimulates the drive to tweek your hardware, and gain additional hardware, to get to &quot;X&quot; faster than anyone else. It's very much a psychological thing. The ease of the configuration of the client and the elegance of how it works and interacts with your hardware and software, is a programmer's and/or hardware freak's dream... It is truly a marvel in the distributed computing world as a model client. I consider dnet the ultimate computer hobbyist's project.

Running RC5 just these past 2 weeks, taught me how to setup a personal proxy to cache WUs as well as run a stats app against that data on a different machine. And the pproxy is running on x86 (dual Xeon) windud while my stats and web server reside on my alpha that is running Linux and the Apache web server. So running dnet for me has been educational as well as competitive.

SETI on the other hand, has the justification that people like Assimilator1 have mentioned - mainly, if you don't look, you won't find. No one can deny that SETI@Home set the standard for the later screen-saver based distributed computing projects like folding@home. Despite the doubled WU times, I still run SETI because it was the first distributed computing project that I had ever run.

Both Genome@home and Folding@home are also excellent projects, and I run them, however both projects are new and there is a whole potential audience out there behind firewalls or on intermittant dialup connections who can't run it. Fortunately, genome is solving the caching problem by allowing the client to do a dnet-like work around for machines that lack a net connection... Something that is almost akin to doing &quot;randoms&quot; in RC5, except that the set of amino acids downloaded in the particular WU that is used for caching purposes (ie., the WU that will be re-run over and over), would have a different &quot;seed&quot; added to it to cause a different gene to be created at the end of a re-run. Thus with the single WU, you can be offline for months and end up designing many many different genomes... And when you finally go to upload those genomes, all of them would count towards your stats.

Anyway, I think the bottom line is - people will run what they want to run. Period. I like alot of projects and run them.

Others will focus on and become #1 at the single project that they like.

It's their choice! 😉
 
Brute

Hey I never said I was ignoring you! 😛 ,I'm a sucker for an argurement 😉
BTW I agree with NWM's sentiments about the needle 🙂

So the burning question is ,when are you going to help TA in genome? ,or whatever project
 
Brute
I think your going about this all the wrong way. If you want to come ehre and try to recruit members for this project, its not going to help trashing another project. As this will cause a flames, as you saw.

Also, not to step on anyone's toes but, I think you guys overreacted slightly, I mean he did put a smiley after his comment after all. The best response to that kind of comment, is no response at all, imho.

I for one am interested in this project, and will probably add one machine to it. Thank you for the announcement.


imhotep_MP
 
I didn't take it as flames, nor did I intend it. Just that I used to run RC5 and S@H and when I realized what else was out there tossed them aside. What I've found is that this board is overwhelmingly S@H/RC5, so it's likely people never hear about another project, so I wanted them to know, and challenged them a little. No insult was intended. They're your cycles, use them as you see fit. 🙂
 
In fact, I downloaded the client and tried it out because of Brute's post.

Anyone have the Linux client working? Mine harfs on me...🙁
 

ive downloaded it but there is jsut a few things that bother me, I notice that if i shut it down and restart it again it seems that its restarting from the beginning and also it doenst like giving up cpu cylces. I had to up the priority of dnet and a few other proggies, just so they could share the cycles. One last thing is that is there anyway to minimize it ot the taskbar or run it as a service?

But other than that, it looks pretty promising, Im a biochem major and I like this stuff... 🙂


imhotep_MP
 
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