Another school shooting
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HomeBrewerDude
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this sounds very different than the recent shootings in s. california.
wrong nonetheless though...
wrong nonetheless though...
You know it's sad when events like these are so commonplace that CNN only offers 10 lines for such an incident.
I do see a high corallation between hyped up media coverage and copycar crimes. Remember the whole "carjacking" terror spree and drive by shootings?? School shootings are now en vogue like the other two crimes. Seems the media give dumb criminals ideas they could never come up with in a million years. "You mean drive AND shoot at the same time? Golllleeeee..... what next? Smoking cocaine?"
Windogg
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Uh..
This has nothing to do it seems with the popular term "school shootings". Gary Indiana is about one of the most crime-ridden cities in the US. I believe for a long time it had the highest violent crime rate of anywhere.
This stuff happened at *MY* school I went to. It's a very normal occurance at inner city public high schools. You have a lot of drug dealers and such going to school. Granted, no one DIED while I was there (at least on school grounds.. We had "memorial" announcements every couple months those for a student or two who were shot/murdered), but we'd have arrests every few days, and there would be severe beatings in parking lots/etc. once in a while. There was one shooting, but a hell of a lot more cases where someone just had a gun and was threatening to use it. This school had a minimum of 4 uniformed police officers around, and they did bag searches, etc. at the door. You had to wear an ID badge at all times, and all the teachers/administrators had 2-way radios to be able to radio for help. Windows were grated shut, etc. Pretty much the moment you stepped into that school it was a prison for the most part. This is what all school will eventually be like, if things continue as-is.
Of course, now that this has all been glamourized the media is going to try to twist it around to get the shock value from the suburbanites who don't have a clue. You've proven it here.
This is probably a simple gang/drug related shooting or something, without knowing any details.
-Phil
This has nothing to do it seems with the popular term "school shootings". Gary Indiana is about one of the most crime-ridden cities in the US. I believe for a long time it had the highest violent crime rate of anywhere.
This stuff happened at *MY* school I went to. It's a very normal occurance at inner city public high schools. You have a lot of drug dealers and such going to school. Granted, no one DIED while I was there (at least on school grounds.. We had "memorial" announcements every couple months those for a student or two who were shot/murdered), but we'd have arrests every few days, and there would be severe beatings in parking lots/etc. once in a while. There was one shooting, but a hell of a lot more cases where someone just had a gun and was threatening to use it. This school had a minimum of 4 uniformed police officers around, and they did bag searches, etc. at the door. You had to wear an ID badge at all times, and all the teachers/administrators had 2-way radios to be able to radio for help. Windows were grated shut, etc. Pretty much the moment you stepped into that school it was a prison for the most part. This is what all school will eventually be like, if things continue as-is.
Of course, now that this has all been glamourized the media is going to try to twist it around to get the shock value from the suburbanites who don't have a clue. You've proven it here.
This is probably a simple gang/drug related shooting or something, without knowing any details.
-Phil
I'm thinking this use to happen before but now it's making headlines because of columbine and that last one (the major ones).
I mean, in middle school some kid got stabbed at my school, and my brother's middle school some kids got in a fight and one killed the other one by slicing his throat.
My high school some kid was stabbed and killed by his ex/girlfriend.
These school killings are nothing new in our society I think. Not to say it's okay or anything, but media is really making a frenzy of it.
I mean, in middle school some kid got stabbed at my school, and my brother's middle school some kids got in a fight and one killed the other one by slicing his throat.
My high school some kid was stabbed and killed by his ex/girlfriend.
These school killings are nothing new in our society I think. Not to say it's okay or anything, but media is really making a frenzy of it.
my suburban high-school had a bit of a scare reguarding school shootings this week. Seems a kid got tired of being picked on and went as far as to ask a friend to bring a gun to school. He was a nice enough kid, I talked to him a few times, we'd bitch about how crappy our school's network is and other stuff. Thing is, I don't know who to feel bad for...the kid's who were on his hit list or the person they pushed over the edge...seems that this is becoming all too frequent these days and our freedom in school suffers from it each time it happens.
Perhaps its time to think about making the school system better? It is a well known fact that nearly every highschooler will tell you that high school sucks. It is irrelevant, boring, and takes up a lot of time. We are not adverse to learing, but I want something relevant!
Zenmervolt
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<<I do see a high corallation between hyped up media coverage and copycat crimes. Remember the whole "carjacking" terror spree and drive by shootings?? School shootings are now en vogue like the other two crimes. Seems the media give dumb criminals ideas they could never come up with in a million years. "You mean drive AND shoot at the same time? Golllleeeee..... what next? Smoking cocaine?">>
I'm glad someone said it, Windogg hit the nail on the head. As for the suggestion that HS be revamped in order to make it more interesting to the students; yes, lets put a bunch of 15-18 year olds in charge of curriculum and classes for the nation's HS. I'm sure that the vast majority of HS kids will be responsible enough to chose important subjects such as World Literature, Calculus, Chemistry, Physics, and History. Oh, wait, my experience in HS was that the majority of kids just wanted to get by with the least amount of work and couldn't care less about education. If HS is boring to a kid, tough. HS's purpose is not entertainment, the purpose of HS is to prepare the minds of teens for college. IMO, the way to improve schools is to return to the "three R's", none of this school = parents BS, and reinstate corporal punishment.
Zenmervolt
I'm glad someone said it, Windogg hit the nail on the head. As for the suggestion that HS be revamped in order to make it more interesting to the students; yes, lets put a bunch of 15-18 year olds in charge of curriculum and classes for the nation's HS. I'm sure that the vast majority of HS kids will be responsible enough to chose important subjects such as World Literature, Calculus, Chemistry, Physics, and History. Oh, wait, my experience in HS was that the majority of kids just wanted to get by with the least amount of work and couldn't care less about education. If HS is boring to a kid, tough. HS's purpose is not entertainment, the purpose of HS is to prepare the minds of teens for college. IMO, the way to improve schools is to return to the "three R's", none of this school = parents BS, and reinstate corporal punishment.
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BoberFett
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But do you really see it as important for someone who's going to be a tradesman take years upon years of lit classes? How about a system where the general education ends at around 9th grade, and after that you can choose to go on to a university prep school, or go to trade school. I believe they do that in Europe, I know Germany is something like that anyway. Then rather than waste time and money on schooling for people that have no interest in being there, that money can be used to pay for their trade schooling. That has the added bonus of those people not having to pay for their own trade schooling, and they won't start life with college loans over their heads.
But do you really see it as important for someone who's going to be a tradesman take years upon years of lit classes? How about a system where the general education ends at around 9th grade, and after that you can choose to go on to a university prep school, or go to trade school. I believe they do that in Europe, I know Germany is something like that anyway. Then rather than waste time and money on schooling for people that have no interest in being there, that money can be used to pay for their trade schooling. That has the added bonus of those people not having to pay for their own trade schooling, and they won't start life with college loans over their heads.
These kinds of things used to happen, but a lot less frequently. I'm sure we can all speculate as to the reasons for this happening, but the media in general is all too happy to use these things to further the anti-gun agenda.
Bottom line is, we are reaping the rewards of a society where parent's spending time with their kids is not valued as much as it should be -- material goods are more important. Both parents work one (or more) full time jobs out of the home, some because they want to, some because they are forced to in order to make ends meet. We're also doing quite good at removing the moral 'safety net' and support net that kids used to have, and the result is, bingo -- more tragic events like this.
Bottom line is, we are reaping the rewards of a society where parent's spending time with their kids is not valued as much as it should be -- material goods are more important. Both parents work one (or more) full time jobs out of the home, some because they want to, some because they are forced to in order to make ends meet. We're also doing quite good at removing the moral 'safety net' and support net that kids used to have, and the result is, bingo -- more tragic events like this.
Zenmervolt
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<<But do you really see it as important for someone who's going to be a tradesman take years upon years of lit classes? How about a system where the general education ends at around 9th grade, and after that you can choose to go on to a university prep school, or go to trade school. I believe they do that in Europe, I know Germany is something like that anyway. Then rather than waste time and money on schooling for people that have no interest in being there, that money can be used to pay for their trade schooling. That has the added bonus of those people not having to pay for their own trade schooling, and they won't start life with college loans over their heads.>>
You make a good point, and I do like the German school system (I took 5 years of German in HS, and I'm relatively familiar with the general setup of the system). The flaw I see in such a system, however, is what happens when a 30 year old tradesman decides he wants to go to University because he is dis-satisfied with his job. Because he lacks the general education background of the students who went to a college prep school, he will have a very hard time with this. Also, how many people know what they want to do when they are in the 9th grade? I'll be a Sophomore in college next year and I'm still not entirely certain of what it is that I want to do, how can we expect a 14-15 year old to know what they want to do with their life? And if the student canot make the decision, who does? His parents? The school board? Is it right for such an important decision to be out of the hands of the person whom it most affects? The decision of what to do with one's life is made all the more complicated if that person has not been exposed to a wide variety of subjects, which is the function of HS. By exposing teens to a large variety of possible subject areas, HS permits people to make more educated choices about what they want to do with their lives, and in doing so it prepares them for the specificity that is inherent in college. As for the tradesman taking years of literature classes, my personal opinion is that it is quite important. Literature is a window to ideas and places different from our own, and without exposure to different ideas, the mind never expands. One of my good friends from my Honors and AP English Literature classes is currently going to a trade school because he plans on taking over his father's Heating and Air Conditioning business. He may not be the first to pick up a copy of Candide, but he still reads a lot and in doing so he is able to keep himself abreast of current happenings. I just don't think there is much weight to the argument that a tradesman doesn't need Literature classes. The more a person knows, the farther they will be able to go in life.
You make a good point, and I do like the German school system (I took 5 years of German in HS, and I'm relatively familiar with the general setup of the system). The flaw I see in such a system, however, is what happens when a 30 year old tradesman decides he wants to go to University because he is dis-satisfied with his job. Because he lacks the general education background of the students who went to a college prep school, he will have a very hard time with this. Also, how many people know what they want to do when they are in the 9th grade? I'll be a Sophomore in college next year and I'm still not entirely certain of what it is that I want to do, how can we expect a 14-15 year old to know what they want to do with their life? And if the student canot make the decision, who does? His parents? The school board? Is it right for such an important decision to be out of the hands of the person whom it most affects? The decision of what to do with one's life is made all the more complicated if that person has not been exposed to a wide variety of subjects, which is the function of HS. By exposing teens to a large variety of possible subject areas, HS permits people to make more educated choices about what they want to do with their lives, and in doing so it prepares them for the specificity that is inherent in college. As for the tradesman taking years of literature classes, my personal opinion is that it is quite important. Literature is a window to ideas and places different from our own, and without exposure to different ideas, the mind never expands. One of my good friends from my Honors and AP English Literature classes is currently going to a trade school because he plans on taking over his father's Heating and Air Conditioning business. He may not be the first to pick up a copy of Candide, but he still reads a lot and in doing so he is able to keep himself abreast of current happenings. I just don't think there is much weight to the argument that a tradesman doesn't need Literature classes. The more a person knows, the farther they will be able to go in life.
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