Another satisfied X2 3800+ owner, upgraded from 3000+

mechBgon

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Cliff Notes: For purposes of video encoding with Adobe, my X2 3800+ is the functional equivalent of a ~3600MHz Athlon64. The system is much smoother in multitasking even with both cores getting hammered by the encoding process.


I got my X2 3800+ today and plopped it into my work rig in place of my Winchester 3000+. WinXP booted, detected an "ACPI Multiprocessor PC," and said the new hardware was installed but might not work until I rebooted. Well, duh. So I rebooted and was in X2 land.

I had already run a benchmark with the 3000+, I had Adobe Premiere Elements 1.0 take a 93-minute .AVI that I'd captured from camcorder, and "burn" it to a folder on a hard drive. It took 187 minutes with the 3000+. This is a task I routinely do at work, so you can see why I'd like to chop 3-hour jobs down a little, especially since the system suffers lag when I try to use it for other stuff at the same time. Ok, so Athlon64s are not perfect... :p

So I had the X2 do that same encode-&-burn job. Moment of truth, what did I get for my money? I got this :Q We're talkin' 85%-90% usage of both cores combined. And running other stuff a little quickly showed me that the hype is true about it being smoother under load, even when the load is hitting both cores at once.

The entire process, both encoding and "burning," completed in 98 minutes on the X2, or about 52% of the time required by the 3000+. The "burning" phase is somewhat HDD-limited, giving me only ~50% CPU usage, so the actual encode time was probably less than half, which stands to reason when going from 1800MHz to 4000MHz. Credit Adobe for making especially effective use of almost all the cycles...

I had the case open, so I periodically felt the base of my Alpha PAL8150 heatsink, which is cooled by a very quiet 18-decibel 18cfm 80mm fan. The base of the heatsink felt only a hair over room temperature (edit: what I really should've said is "over body temperature"), which is really amazing when there's 4000MHz of A64 blasting away under there at 90% capacity.

So anyway, I think this calls for pizza :cool:
 

Markfw

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so what are the temps ? And when do you do a mild OC to 2400 and report again ?

And BTW, welcome to the X2 club and glad to hear it does what we said it would !
 

mechBgon

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I slapped Asus Probe onto it real quick. Idle temp for CPU is 27°C (the system's currently in the server room, which is AC controlled at 69°F). I fired up Adobe encoding, plus a McAfee VirusScan disk scan, and now Asus Probe looks like it's pretty well levelled off at 42°C. So at full 4000MHz load, it's slightly warmer than if I were holding it in my hand at body temperature.

I'm not using Cool 'n Quiet, btw, they're cranking full speed all the time so far.

The system is in a nice + cheap Antec SLK3000-B. It has a Nexus low-RPM 120mm exhaust, the TruePower II 480W with its low-RPM 120mm above the CPU, and I have a low-RPM 120mm up front as well. Basically Dell-quiet, but well-ventilated enough that I'd be comfortable piling in four or five SCSI drives if I need to.

Guess what I want now (aside from pizza)... dual Opteron 275's! :evil:
 

GuitarDaddy

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Nice realworld testimonial! Much more valuable than a bucket full of review site reviews:)

It certainly appears that if you need the horsepower, the X2 can deliver in spades.
 

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Welcome to the smooth world of Windows on an X2 :). Now o/c that bad boy and let us know how you make out.
 

n7

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Nice to see another join in on the fun.

I :heart: my X2 :D
 

Megatomic

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It's a work computer, I doubt mech is going to risk stability for a little more performance.

Oh and congrats man, I will have one early next year.
 

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I have been trying to talk him into a MILD OC, so he will have the stability. I have mine at 2550, 24/7 for over two months, no re-boot, and my 4400 X2, same deal...I am recommennding he go quick stable OC, then go down 50-100 mhz just to be safe. 2400 I think is the sweet spot for him.
 

mechBgon

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I'm kicking the OC idea around, but between an already-spectacular improvement in encoding times, and concerns about SATA corruption and instability, I think I better hold off. Or at least I better do that stuff on a throwaway Windows installation where it's not something I rely on 8-9 hours per day. :) Now if I could just capture from MiniDV tapes at an accelerated speed somehow...

So :beer: to AMD, especially for the simplicity of upgrading. Now I better get rid of that Winnie... computer "spores," you know how they mysteriously germinate into more whole computers if you're not careful :Q
 

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[It's a work computer, I doubt mech is going to risk stability for a little more performance. ]

Not a bad point, but 2400-2500-ish should be rock solid.

Can always do it just for fun then put it back :).

If you do o/c it, run that video through again and post the time.
 

Hacp

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Good to know that someone is using the x2 to its full capacity daily.
 

MDE

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I made the same upgrade about a month ago and I'm loving it. Of course both of mine have been OCed (3000+ was at 2.52GHz, 3800+ is at 2.6GHz).
 

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Originally posted by: mechBgon
I slapped Asus Probe onto it real quick. Idle temp for CPU is 27°C (the system's currently in the server room, which is AC controlled at 69°F). I fired up Adobe encoding, plus a McAfee VirusScan disk scan, and now Asus Probe looks like it's pretty well levelled off at 42°C. So at full 4000MHz load, it's slightly warmer than if I were holding it in my hand at body temperature.

I'm not using Cool 'n Quiet, btw, they're cranking full speed all the time so far.

The system is in a nice + cheap Antec SLK3000-B. It has a Nexus low-RPM 120mm exhaust, the TruePower II 480W with its low-RPM 120mm above the CPU, and I have a low-RPM 120mm up front as well. Basically Dell-quiet, but well-ventilated enough that I'd be comfortable piling in four or five SCSI drives if I need to.

Guess what I want now (aside from pizza)... dual Opteron 275's! :evil:[/q

That is exactly the case I bought my son....Hope to be throwing in a 3800+ X2 as well soon.....I have a 470watt Enermax for him....

I new you would see that and evry simlar to autogk, tmpgenc, and other encoding test I have run so far.....As encoding goes it was well established as SMP aware for awhile now.....

I would bup it up to 10x240 set divider to 166 and you basically have evrything stock except the cpu...depending on whether the board undervolts you may have to set the vcore a nothc higher to be assured the vcore is 1.35v or better once in windows at idle....

I need .05v + 3.3% over vid to compensate for the .07v udervolting of this MSI board and i get 1.36v....2.4ghz passed dual primes at 24 hours....
 

Duvie

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Good to know that someone is using the x2 to its full capacity daily.



Like mark my X2 has been crunching F@H units for the last 8 weeks with the ONLY restarts due to trying different OC speeds....I have yet to see a BSOD but then again the 3000+ winchester really taight me a lot oabout my memory and the ability of the on-die memory controller.....

When I am not crunching it encodes like a beast, great dvd shrinker, runs my CAD apps....



My sons PC will be a F2H box 24/7 while he games a bit. He will start out with my 3000+ oc'd to a mild OC of 2.4ghz stock vcore until I get the X2 in there...
 

GuitarDaddy

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Originally posted by: mechBgon
I'm kicking the OC idea around, but between an already-spectacular improvement in encoding times, and concerns about SATA corruption and instability, I think I better hold off. Or at least I better do that stuff on a throwaway Windows installation where it's not something I rely on 8-9 hours per day. :) Now if I could just capture from MiniDV tapes at an accelerated speed somehow...

So :beer: to AMD, especially for the simplicity of upgrading. Now I better get rid of that Winnie... computer "spores," you know how they mysteriously germinate into more whole computers if you're not careful :Q

:) Thats exactly what mine did:confused: I had a winnie sitting lonely on my desk for a few months, and now it's found some new friends named WD,ePox,Enermax,GTO2 and a few others:Q
 

Markfw

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Good to know that someone is using the x2 to its full capacity daily.

I have both of mine running 24/7 at full capacity !!! F@H... And work on one of them in addition !
 

drifter106

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congratulations...you were right on the deliver date and glad to see that it is performing well!!!