Another PSU thread (dont worry, i know the facts, just need opinions)

[BigCoolJesus]

Seasonic S12 600W

PC Power and Cooling 510W

Fortron (FSP) 600W


First off, i dont need any lectures on how many amps i need, on how much power, etc etc. Ive been down that road (had a 300 post thread when i bought my last power supply, ive seen every review)
And money is not a concern nor a factor. I dont want anyone to respond saying, "Well the Fortron is just about as good as the PCP&C and is cheaper, so get that one." No, none of that BS. Money means nothing in this thread.


Which one would be the best for a top end system (X2, 7900GTX, 2GB, etc) and would last about 3-4 years and would handle overclocking like no ones buisness? Which one is hands down the King of Kings?
(no BS, no links to articles, just your honest opinion on the three i listed)



:beer:

 

[sniperruff]

antec

 

[Howard]

The first reply tempts me to answer "L&C".

 

[Bobthelost]

If money really means nothing then go PCP&C.

 

[alpha88]

the PCP&P has more power, but the Seasonic is significantly quieter and cooler. Since there is no way that you'll be maxing out the Seasonic, that is the powersupply that I would choose.

 

[biostud]

If noise is no concern PCP&P, if you like your computer more silent, Seasonic.

 

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally posted by: alpha88
the PCP&P has more power, but the Seasonic is significantly quieter and cooler. Since there is no way that you'll be maxing out the Seasonic, that is the powersupply that I would choose.

Yea, thats the only thing really keeping me from totally choosing the PCP&C..... I could just replace the 80mm fan with something quieter thought (i have an ePower Tagan right now with 80mm fan, so its not like itd be much worse then i already am used to)



I guess it comes down to longevity and stableness. Which one would be able to last the longest while still providing rock solid rails all the way until its death?
(is the PCP&C really made that much better then everyone else, or is it all marketing hype)

 

[Howard]

http://www.overclockers.com/articles1313/

It's loud.

 

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally posted by: Howard
http://www.overclockers.com/articles1313/

It's loud.

Thats a zippy...........


So if i replace the fan on the PCP&C to something quieter, would it be the better, longer lasting choice then the S12?

 

[yosuke188]

Originally posted by: biostud
If noise is no concern PCP&P, if you like your computer more silent, Seasonic.

:thumbsup:

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: Howard
http://www.overclockers.com/articles1313/

It's loud.

Thats a zippy...........

Something wrong? EDIT: Oh, I was throwing that out as a suggestion, with the caveat that it was loud.

So if i replace the fan on the PCP&C to something quieter, would it be the better, longer lasting choice then the S12?

The problem with using a slower fan is that the insides get hotter, reducing lifespan.

 

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: Howard
http://www.overclockers.com/articles1313/

It's loud.

Thats a zippy...........

Something wrong? EDIT: Oh, I was throwing that out as a suggestion, with the caveat that it was loud.

So if i replace the fan on the PCP&C to something quieter, would it be the better, longer lasting choice then the S12?

The problem with using a slower fan is that the insides get hotter, reducing lifespan.

Well not so much slower, but better. There are a few good fans for 80mm size that push a decent amount of CFM's at lower decibals (like a Panaflo, but only when its scaled back via a fan controller)

 

[BigCoolJesus]

Well i guess i can put it this way then -

Which one would/will last longer?
(the winner of this question will be my pick)

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: Howard
http://www.overclockers.com/articles1313/

It's loud.

Thats a zippy...........

Something wrong? EDIT: Oh, I was throwing that out as a suggestion, with the caveat that it was loud.

So if i replace the fan on the PCP&C to something quieter, would it be the better, longer lasting choice then the S12?

The problem with using a slower fan is that the insides get hotter, reducing lifespan.

Well not so much slower, but better. There are a few good fans for 80mm size that push a decent amount of CFM's at lower decibals (like a Panaflo, but only when its scaled back via a fan controller)

Some motors are quieter than others at a given speed, and some blade geometries create less noise at a given flow, but generally noise is proportional to fan speed. Seeing as 80mm fans aren't that quiet, the differences would be drowned out, IMO.

 

[Operandi]

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: alpha88
the PCP&P has more power, but the Seasonic is significantly quieter and cooler. Since there is no way that you'll be maxing out the Seasonic, that is the powersupply that I would choose.

Yea, thats the only thing really keeping me from totally choosing the PCP&C..... I could just replace the 80mm fan with something quieter thought (i have an ePower Tagan right now with 80mm fan, so its not like itd be much worse then i already am used to)

The fan is only half of the equation. You also have to have an intelligent fan controller that supplies the power for higher CFM when it's needed.

The Tagan you mentioned is indeed very quiet (I had one). But it's not a very efficient power supply so it's only quiet at the cost of increased heat.

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus
I guess it comes down to longevity and stableness. Which one would be able to last the longest while still providing rock solid rails all the way until its death?
(is the PCP&C really made that much better then everyone else, or is it all marketing hype)

When it comes to stability and longevity I would say it?s about as close to a draw as you can get. Seasonic is now using all very high quality Japanese caps in all of their units; few go that extra mile so longevity should be among the best.

 

[alpha88]

I think the Seasonic will last longer, just since it runs much cooler. (I have a Seasonic S12 600).

I am dead serious when I say that it is totally silent, where as the PCP&P is really loud. I'm sure you can get it to run quieter, but you won't get near the silence that the Seasonic provides.

Performance wise, I can't imagine using enough power that the brute force of the PCP&P will give you any advantage over the Seasonic (stability wise).

Edit: I think the Seasonic 600W will be superior to the 510 PCP&P in all cases, I thought you were looking at the 800W version.

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Jesus!! Just get the S12 allready.

Use the money you save over the pcp&c for a dinner date.:thumbsup:


...Galvanized

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Jesus!! Just get the S12 allready.

Use the money you save over the pcp&c for a dinner date.:thumbsup:


...Galvanized

That's right. A little peace of mind is nothing compared to a little piece.

 

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Jesus!! Just get the S12 allready.

Use the money you save over the pcp&c for a dinner date.:thumbsup:


...Galvanized

Hey now........we said money wasnt going to be discussed

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: alpha88
I think the Seasonic will last longer, just since it runs much cooler. (I have a Seasonic S12 600).

I am dead serious when I say that it is totally silent, where as the PCP&P is really loud. I'm sure you can get it to run quieter, but you won't get near the silence that the Seasonic provides.

Performance wise, I can't imagine using enough power that the brute force of the PCP&P will give you any advantage over the Seasonic (stability wise).

Edit: I think the Seasonic 600W will be superior to the 510 PCP&P in all cases, I thought you were looking at the 800W version.

Its nice to think and surmise but I have a PC Power & Cooling PSU that is under 6 months old.....my 2nd PC Power & Cooling PSU that I own for my new AMD rigg.

truthfully you have no idea nor can you surmise the temps that the PC Power & Cooling put out......so you actually have no basis for fact concerning this statement--I think the Seasonic will last longer, just since it runs much cooler
Runs cooler...hmmm....

Mind you Seasonic is a very nice PSU......
You can`t go wrong with any of the PSU`s that the OP asked about.

Then again to make blatantly faslse statemts...hmmmm

The newest PSU is alot more quiet than the first.

I personally would put my PC Power & Cooling PSU up against any seasonic 600watt on the market.....

Seasonic 100,000hrs MTBF at 25c
PC Power & Cooling 100,000 hrs MTFB at 50c.....
It helps to have techie friends at PC Power & Cooling..lol

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Jesus!! Just get the S12 allready.

Use the money you save over the pcp&c for a dinner date.:thumbsup:


...Galvanized

Hey now........we said money wasnt going to be discussed

That reminds me of a certain person here...

 

[BigCoolJesus]

Well im gonna look through reviews on the PCP&C and the Seasonic tonight, see if there are any new ones since July.

I have decided that noise is not a factor in my buying equation, but heat is. Meaning if the PCP&C sounds like a vaccum but cools just as good as the Seasonic, then its a winner in my books.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus
Well im gonna look through reviews on the PCP&C and the Seasonic tonight, see if there are any new ones since July.

I have decided that noise is not a factor in my buying equation, but heat is. Meaning if the PCP&C sounds like a vaccum but cools just as good as the Seasonic, then its a winner in my books.

Don't tell me you're also relying on the PSU to exhaust heat from your system?

 

[LOUISSSSS]

my vote for PCPC. they're been making top of the line psu's since 1985? i believe. and maximum pc uses them in their dream machines for a reason

 

[skooma]

I'd get the Seasonic.