Another Poll Has Hillary Ahead...but from FOX!

jonks

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I bolded the bottom line. Argue all you want about her being unelectable or whatever. Latest poll confirms trend in all previous polls that has her winning. My very conservative uncle is not a fan of hers, but he's very turned off by the reps currently running. He's an animal lover so I got him to drop even considering Romney after the dog debacle :)

FOX News Poll: Republicans Losing Ground in ?08 Race
Thursday , July 19, 2007

By Dana Blanton


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Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton now holds a slight lead over top Republican Rudy Giuliani for the first time in a hypothetical 2008 presidential matchup. In fact, to varying degrees, Clinton and fellow Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama beat every Republican candidate they are tested against in the latest FOX News Poll.
Opinion Dynamics Corp. conducted the national telephone poll of 900 registered voters for FOX News from July 17 to July 18. The poll has a 3-point error margin.

? Click here to view full results of the poll. (pdf)

President Bush can do little to give Republicans a boost as his own ratings remain dismal. Today, 32 percent of Americans say they approve of the job Bush is doing and 61 percent disapprove. His current approval is just 1 point higher than his record-low 31 percent approval received last month (June 26-27).

Another hurdle for Republican hopefuls is the perception that Democrats in Congress (38 percent) are more optimistic than Republicans in Congress (31 percent) about the direction of the country.

In seven different head-to-head matchups, the poll shows the Democratic candidate tops the Republican. While this had been the case when Clinton was tested against Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson, this is the first time she has the advantage over Giuliani.

By a 5 percentage point margin, voters say they would back Clinton over Giuliani (46 percent to 41 percent) if the election were held today. Clinton also leads McCain by 3 points (45 percent to 42 percent), Romney by 15 points (50 percent to 35 percent) and the yet-to-announce Fred Thompson by 9 points (47 percent to 38 percent).

In addition, voters think Clinton would do a better job than Giuliani handling the situation in Iraq (45 percent to 40 percent).

Although Obama is still well behind Clinton in the race for the Democratic nomination, he also improves his performance against the Republicans in matchups this month and has a 4-point edge over Giuliani (45 percent to 41 percent). Moreover, Obama does better than Clinton against the other top Republican contenders; he leads McCain by 10 points (47 percent to 37 percent) and Thompson by 16 percent (48 percent to percent).

When voters are asked which one candidate they would pick to sit down and have a conversation with, 26 percent say Clinton, 18 percent Obama, 12 percent Giuliani, 8 percent McCain and 7 percent Thompson.

Among Democrats, 41 percent would pick Clinton and 26 percent Obama; no other candidate receives double-digits. Among Republicans, 25 percent say they would want to have a conversation with Giuliani, 15 percent McCain and 15 percent Thompson ? and 12 percent of Republicans pick Clinton and 9 percent Obama.

And when asked which candidate they would definitely vote for under "almost any circumstances," once again Clinton tops the list with 17 percent compared to 10 percent for Obama, 9 percent Giuliani, 4 percent Al Gore, 4 percent McCain and 4 percent Thompson.

Democrats are much more definitive here, with 31 percent saying they would definitely vote for Clinton under almost any circumstances and 18 percent for Obama. For Republicans, 18 percent say they would definitely vote for Giuliani under almost any circumstances, 9 percent Thompson and 8 percent McCain.

The former first lady?s polarizing effect comes through in the poll, as Clinton also wins the flip side of the question with three times as many people saying they would "never vote for" her under any circumstances than say that about any other candidate.

Overall, half of voters think Giuliani has enough experience to be president, and 64 percent of Republicans think so.

For Obama, many voters either think he lacks the right experience or are unsure. Just over a third of voters (35 percent) think he has the right experience, including 47 percent of Democrats. In December, 22 percent of voters thought Obama had the right experience.

More voters think Clinton is basing her candidacy on her own experience (45 percent) than on her husband Bill?s experience (30 percent); 20 percent say both.

"It is clear that the current climate in the country is helping the Democrats," comments Opinion Dynamics CEO John Gorman. "While the Clinton legacy is a polarizing factor, the Bush presidency may be even more polarizing. Compared to Al Gore?s attempt to separate himself from Clinton in 2000, the eventual Republican nominee may face an even harder task."

Nomination Races Mostly Unchanged

Clinton continues to show her strength in the race for the Democratic nomination with a 16-point lead over Obama (41 percent and 25 percent, respectively). John Edwards receives the backing of 12 percent.

There is little change when Gore is included in the race: Clinton receives 39 percent, Obama 23 percent, Edwards 9 percent and Gore 9 percent.

Among Republicans, Giuliani remains the front-runner with 27 percent, followed by McCain and Thompson both at 16 percent and Romney at 9 percent. The number of undecided voters has bounced around quite a bit on the Republican side and is up this week to 20 percent from 11 percent in late June.

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich has little impact on the race. He receives the support of 2 percent, down from 8 percent previously, and putting him below former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee at 3 percent.

A final point on the Republican candidates ? more voters think McCain (41 percent) would do a better job handling Iraq than Giuliani (32 percent). This is also true among Republicans: 45 percent think McCain would do a better job and 38 percent say Giuliani would.

 
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Originally posted by: Hacp
68% of Americans think Hillary is a good role model.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes...clinton-as-role-model/

The first comment cracked me up...

I agree with Senator Clinton being a role model for all married women; I don`t give a rap about non-married distaffs.

When finding out your old man is fooling around with a recent graduate of your girl scout troop, it takes great compassion and humility to ignore the gruesome truth and not only accept your fate as a woman scorned but rally to his defense and blame others for even bringing it up.

If compelled by the vageries of politics I will glady support her not only for president but for queen as well. At her swearing in Tammy can sing, ? Stand by your president.?

Our enemies should feel safe from an attack becaue if she can forgive Bill she sure can Bin Laden. She is such a good role model that the Catholic Church should de-beatify Mary and start adoring Hillary in her stead. White Sulfur Springs can replace Lourdes and James Carville, The captain of the Swiss Guards.

Charles B. Tiffany
Kissimmee, Florida

 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Hacp
68% of Americans think Hillary is a good role model.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes...clinton-as-role-model/

The first comment cracked me up...

I agree with Senator Clinton being a role model for all married women; I don`t give a rap about non-married distaffs.

When finding out your old man is fooling around with a recent graduate of your girl scout troop, it takes great compassion and humility to ignore the gruesome truth and not only accept your fate as a woman scorned but rally to his defense and blame others for even bringing it up.

If compelled by the vageries of politics I will glady support her not only for president but for queen as well. At her swearing in Tammy can sing, ? Stand by your president.?

Our enemies should feel safe from an attack becaue if she can forgive Bill she sure can Bin Laden. She is such a good role model that the Catholic Church should de-beatify Mary and start adoring Hillary in her stead. White Sulfur Springs can replace Lourdes and James Carville, The captain of the Swiss Guards.

Charles B. Tiffany
Kissimmee, Florida

Bzzzt. The forgiveness card has been played by Senator Vitter's wife as well. And did she look striking in that leopard print dress or what?
 

daveshel

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Like I said in this thread, the right wants Hilary to get the nomination because that secures a win for them. So all they need to do is contribute to her campaign and no need for the shady swiftboat type operations.
 

senseamp

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Rightwingers will keep telling us Hillary is unelectable all the way to her inauguration.
 

ProfJohn

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You can't deny that in most of the recent polls Hillary has been beating the Republican candidate in head to head polling.

However, compare the recent national news coverage of Hillary to that of Rudy, Mitt or McCain.

The three Republicans are taking a beating and Hillary is pretty much being left alone.

Look at the recent cover of Newsweek with Obama on the cover.
?Black & White How Barak Obama is shaking up assumptions?

Now compare that to the recent cover they had of Mitt Romney
?Sure he looks like a President. But what does Mitt Romney really believe??

So a black minority is ?shaking things up? but a religious minority can?t be trusted because of what he may believe? :roll:
 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You can't deny that in most of the recent polls Hillary has been beating the Republican candidate in head to head polling.

However, compare the recent national news coverage of Hillary to that of Rudy, Mitt or McCain.

The three Republicans are taking a beating and Hillary is pretty much being left alone.

Look at the recent cover of Newsweek with Obama on the cover.
?Black & White How Barak Obama is shaking up assumptions?

Now compare that to the recent cover they had of Mitt Romney
?Sure he looks like a President. But what does Mitt Romney really believe??

So a black minority is ?shaking things up? but a religious minority can?t be trusted because of what he may believe? :roll:

To be fair, its the conservatives that are questioning his beliefs. I'm sure that most liberals will have no problem voting for a Morman if his political views are in line with the that of the voters.
 

imported_Lothar

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You can't deny that in most of the recent polls Hillary has been beating the Republican candidate in head to head polling.

However, compare the recent national news coverage of Hillary to that of Rudy, Mitt or McCain.

The three Republicans are taking a beating and Hillary is pretty much being left alone.

Look at the recent cover of Newsweek with Obama on the cover.
?Black & White How Barak Obama is shaking up assumptions?

Now compare that to the recent cover they had of Mitt Romney
?Sure he looks like a President. But what does Mitt Romney really believe??

So a black minority is ?shaking things up? but a religious minority can?t be trusted because of what he may believe? :roll:

Umm...Most Democrats don't give a sh1t about what the religion of a political candidate is.
Republicans on the other hand...:roll:

So yes, that subtitle on Romney was probably written by a Republican religious conservative.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: daveshel
Like I said in this thread, the right wants Hilary to get the nomination because that secures a win for them. So all they need to do is contribute to her campaign and no need for the shady swiftboat type operations.

QFT
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You can't deny that in most of the recent polls Hillary has been beating the Republican candidate in head to head polling.

However, compare the recent national news coverage of Hillary to that of Rudy, Mitt or McCain.

The three Republicans are taking a beating and Hillary is pretty much being left alone.

Look at the recent cover of Newsweek with Obama on the cover.
?Black & White How Barak Obama is shaking up assumptions?

Now compare that to the recent cover they had of Mitt Romney
?Sure he looks like a President. But what does Mitt Romney really believe??

So a black minority is ?shaking things up? but a religious minority can?t be trusted because of what he may believe? :roll:

My mom and dad are somewhat religiously conservative (although they won't be voting republican this time around) and they believe mormonism is a cult and not even a real religion like protestantism, catholicism, Judaism, or even islam . They're not even full fledged fundies and they believe that. What do you think the republican base feels about romney's religion?

edit: and add to the fact that romney is such a big flip flopper, he makes john kerry look decisive, i think it's a valid question.
 

Lemon law

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So big deal---15 months ahead of the general election of 11/08, Fox is actually truthful enough to acknowledge what everyone else sees in all the polls. What do you want me to do?---nominate Fox news for the nobel prize for unbiased reporting? Hillary is kicking butt and is the clear front runner now.

But know all you this---six months is an eternity in politics---and I have a lot of faith that any pandering politician will manage to get their just deserts given enough time and rope to hang themselves.
 

techs

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The right wing wackos like to say Hilary is unelectable in the hopes that people will believe it and vote for someone else. Sort of a self fulfilling prophecy. Similiar to the Bushies putting inept people in goverment whose goal is to mismanage their departments, then the Bushies use the governments failures as proof government is inept.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Hacp
68% of Americans think Hillary is a good role model.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes...clinton-as-role-model/

The first comment cracked me up...

I agree with Senator Clinton being a role model for all married women; I don`t give a rap about non-married distaffs.

When finding out your old man is fooling around with a recent graduate of your girl scout troop, it takes great compassion and humility to ignore the gruesome truth and not only accept your fate as a woman scorned but rally to his defense and blame others for even bringing it up.

If compelled by the vageries of politics I will glady support her not only for president but for queen as well. At her swearing in Tammy can sing, ? Stand by your president.?

Our enemies should feel safe from an attack becaue if she can forgive Bill she sure can Bin Laden. She is such a good role model that the Catholic Church should de-beatify Mary and start adoring Hillary in her stead. White Sulfur Springs can replace Lourdes and James Carville, The captain of the Swiss Guards.

Charles B. Tiffany
Kissimmee, Florida

Bzzzt. The forgiveness card has been played by Senator Vitter's wife as well. And did she look striking in that leopard print dress or what?

LOL, that was funnieee!!
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: daveshel
Like I said in this thread, the right wants Hilary to get the nomination because that secures a win for them. So all they need to do is contribute to her campaign and no need for the shady swiftboat type operations.

I don't thnk it secures a win...but it certainly gives them a better shot than if the dems nominated Obama
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Hacp
68% of Americans think Hillary is a good role model.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes...clinton-as-role-model/

The first comment cracked me up...

I agree with Senator Clinton being a role model for all married women; I don`t give a rap about non-married distaffs.

When finding out your old man is fooling around with a recent graduate of your girl scout troop, it takes great compassion and humility to ignore the gruesome truth and not only accept your fate as a woman scorned but rally to his defense and blame others for even bringing it up.

If compelled by the vageries of politics I will glady support her not only for president but for queen as well. At her swearing in Tammy can sing, ? Stand by your president.?

Our enemies should feel safe from an attack becaue if she can forgive Bill she sure can Bin Laden. She is such a good role model that the Catholic Church should de-beatify Mary and start adoring Hillary in her stead. White Sulfur Springs can replace Lourdes and James Carville, The captain of the Swiss Guards.

Charles B. Tiffany
Kissimmee, Florida

Bzzzt. The forgiveness card has been played by Senator Vitter's wife as well. And did she look striking in that leopard print dress or what?

LOL, that was funnieee!!

His point was that because some Republican somewhere does it too, it's okay for Hillary to have done it

Duh
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Hacp
68% of Americans think Hillary is a good role model.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes...clinton-as-role-model/

The first comment cracked me up...

I agree with Senator Clinton being a role model for all married women; I don`t give a rap about non-married distaffs.

When finding out your old man is fooling around with a recent graduate of your girl scout troop, it takes great compassion and humility to ignore the gruesome truth and not only accept your fate as a woman scorned but rally to his defense and blame others for even bringing it up.

If compelled by the vageries of politics I will glady support her not only for president but for queen as well. At her swearing in Tammy can sing, ? Stand by your president.?

Our enemies should feel safe from an attack becaue if she can forgive Bill she sure can Bin Laden. She is such a good role model that the Catholic Church should de-beatify Mary and start adoring Hillary in her stead. White Sulfur Springs can replace Lourdes and James Carville, The captain of the Swiss Guards.

Charles B. Tiffany
Kissimmee, Florida

Bzzzt. The forgiveness card has been played by Senator Vitter's wife as well. And did she look striking in that leopard print dress or what?

Senator Vitter's wife is going to be President? News to me, I mean, you WERE trying to make a valid comparison right? :confused: