Another NVIDIA Card

[fbrdphreak]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26929

NVIDIA ANNOUNCED a new part to compete with ATI's upcoming X1600 part. Its called Geforce 6800 GS and is based on NV42 chip. This chip is manufactured at TSMC and its built on 110 nanometer process.

This card performs like 6800GT and has 256-bit memory interface. Nvidia positions it both price and performance-wise up against rival ATI's X1600XT and X1600PRO.

ATI's Radeon X1600 generation was killing Nvidia's Geforce 6600 generation and Nvidia had to do something. The Geforce 6800 GS looks like a suitable riposte. Suggested retail price for 256MB part is $249.

ATI's X1600XT and PRO cards feature a 128-bit memory interface while Nvidia is positioning 256-bit cards against. We are quite sure that Nvidia will add some additional pressure on ATI mainstream sales.

The card should be available in coming few weeks.

If its NV42, that means 12 pixel pipes & 5 vertex right? It says here its supposed to compete with 6800GT; maybe higher mem clocks? Haven't found anything official yet, will ask my NV contact

 

[moonboy403]

why would nvidia wanna compete with themselves?!
doesn't make sense!

 

[CPlusPlusGeek]

itll sell for around $200 guys, and its 16/6 i beleive.

 

[crazydingo]

Why dont they drop the price of the 6800GT $50 and be done with it. Why add another SKU and confuse the consumer.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: CPlusPlusGeek
itll sell for around $200 guys, and its 16/6 i beleive.

Link?

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Why dont they drop the price of the 6800GT $50 and be done with it. Why add another SKU and confuse the consumer.

Maybe the same reason the GTO^2 happened


As I think about it, maybe those supposedly 16 pipe 6800nu's that PNY was selling are actually 6800GS'? What ever happened with those cards, I never saw an update

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Maybe the same reason the GTO^2 happened

That was because they had stockpiles of R423/R480 cores and had to get rid off at $200 pricepoint. They couldnt afford to drop the X850XT by $150.

This situation is much more simple.

 

[Lonyo]

Aren't the 6800GT's built on 0.13nm?
Dropping to 0.11 means smaller die = cheaper costs = more profit (and more room to drop prices).

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Aren't the 6800GT's built on 0.13nm?
Dropping to 0.11 means smaller die = cheaper costs = more profit (and more room to drop prices).

Thats the reason, nice thinking. :thumbsup:

*EDIT* I think this is to compete with the GTO/GTO2 from ATI and not the X1600.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Maybe the same reason the GTO^2 happened

That was because they had stockpiles of R423/R480 cores and had to get rid off at $200 pricepoint. They couldnt afford to drop the X850XT by $150.

This situation is much more simple.

That's what I'm saying -- maybe NV has stockpiles of NV42 cores to ditch. Altho they aren't pricing them down, and this looks like the same core as the 6800nu PCI-E.

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Aren't the 6800GT's built on 0.13nm?
Dropping to 0.11 means smaller die = cheaper costs = more profit (and more room to drop prices).

But the core is an NV42. Isn't that the PCI-E 6800nu?

EDIT Looks like NV42 is 6800nu PCI-E
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/msi-nx6800-sli.html

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Why dont they drop the price of the 6800GT $50 and be done with it. Why add another SKU and confuse the consumer.

Because the GT is built using the 130nm process. It is basically a die shrink of a GT. So, same performance (16/6/256MB/256-bit) on a 110nm process. O/C heaven. All cost a lot less to fabricate so the reduction in cost can be carried over to the consumer while not affecting nvidia's profits.

 

[crazydingo]

^ already discussed. Link above shows that NV42 to be 12/5.

 

[fbrdphreak]

I e-mailed my NV contact, but he might take a while to respond

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: crazydingo
^ already discussed. Link above shows that NV42 to be 12/5.

Still not bad if it has fast mem and a good o/c. A bit disappointing, but not the end of the world.

 

[blckgrffn]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: crazydingo
^ already discussed. Link above shows that NV42 to be 12/5.

Still not bad if it has fast mem and a good o/c. A bit disappointing, but not the end of the world.

Espcially if we see clocks in the 525/1000 category. Everyone seems to jump all over the x8xx Pro cards, but this would be the same thing, with significantly more fillrate than a 6800GT at stock clocks. About 470mhz would be what is needed to generate the same fillrate as a stock 6800GT with the 12 pipes the 6800GS has available. Seems very reasonable, as it seems that current PCIe 6800's are able to hit clock speeds of 425 or more right now.

Nat

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Maybe the same reason the GTO^2 happened

That was because they had stockpiles of R423/R480 cores and had to get rid off at $200 pricepoint. They couldnt afford to drop the X850XT by $150.

This situation is much more simple.

That's what I'm saying -- maybe NV has stockpiles of NV42 cores to ditch. Altho they aren't pricing them down, and this looks like the same core as the 6800nu PCI-E.

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Aren't the 6800GT's built on 0.13nm?
Dropping to 0.11 means smaller die = cheaper costs = more profit (and more room to drop prices).

But the core is an NV42. Isn't that the PCI-E 6800nu?

EDIT Looks like NV42 is 6800nu PCI-E
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/msi-nx6800-sli.html

6800NU PCI-E is NV41. They made a mistake. NV42 is the mobile GeForce Go 6800 Ultra.

 

[secretanchitman]

better be in AGP...

 

[fliguy84]

i guess this will replace the 6800nu pcie (or maybe we can expect some price drop for the nu). i wonder when will the 7600 come out, those 6800gt's and ultra's are so last year

 

[fliguy84]

( edit: accidentally pressed 'Reply' lolz)

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Maybe the same reason the GTO^2 happened

That was because they had stockpiles of R423/R480 cores and had to get rid off at $200 pricepoint. They couldnt afford to drop the X850XT by $150.

This situation is much more simple.

That's what I'm saying -- maybe NV has stockpiles of NV42 cores to ditch. Altho they aren't pricing them down, and this looks like the same core as the 6800nu PCI-E.

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Aren't the 6800GT's built on 0.13nm?
Dropping to 0.11 means smaller die = cheaper costs = more profit (and more room to drop prices).

But the core is an NV42. Isn't that the PCI-E 6800nu?

EDIT Looks like NV42 is 6800nu PCI-E
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/msi-nx6800-sli.html

6800NU PCI-E is NV41. They made a mistake. NV42 is the mobile GeForce Go 6800 Ultra.

So it is in fact 16/6? SWEET!!!

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
So it is in fact 16/6? SWEET!!!

It isnt: http://www.beyond3d.com/misc/chipcomp/?...rderby=release_date&order=Order&cname=

12/5

 

[blckgrffn]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Maybe the same reason the GTO^2 happened

That was because they had stockpiles of R423/R480 cores and had to get rid off at $200 pricepoint. They couldnt afford to drop the X850XT by $150.

This situation is much more simple.

That's what I'm saying -- maybe NV has stockpiles of NV42 cores to ditch. Altho they aren't pricing them down, and this looks like the same core as the 6800nu PCI-E.

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Aren't the 6800GT's built on 0.13nm?
Dropping to 0.11 means smaller die = cheaper costs = more profit (and more room to drop prices).

But the core is an NV42. Isn't that the PCI-E 6800nu?

EDIT Looks like NV42 is 6800nu PCI-E
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/msi-nx6800-sli.html

6800NU PCI-E is NV41. They made a mistake. NV42 is the mobile GeForce Go 6800 Ultra.

So it is in fact 16/6? SWEET!!!

With power saving features like the mobile part? That would rock!

 

[Stretchman]

Lookin' good Nvidia, lookin' good.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Stretchman
Lookin' good Nvidia, lookin' good.

Ahh, yes. Looks like 12/5. Even though it says 6800Ultra, it's still an NV42. Remember when ATI released the Radeon Mobility 9700pro? It was actually a 4 pipe 9600. So mobile parts seem to be a little deceiving when it comes to naming.

 

[johnnqq]

ahh more options are always good wait no they're not! now i have to stress over this for the next week to make sure i get the most for my money! i hate computers!!!

 

[Paktu]

If it is 16/6, I would have called it a 6800 GTX.