Another mentally disturbed child (Warning: Cruelty to cat)

[NuclearFusi0n]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
What a nasty little piece of work this kid is. They should just put the kid in jail and throw away the key. Any 14-yr old who could knowingly and willingly be so cruel to both the cat and it's owners is a sociopath and will end up in jail eventually anyway.. probably for killing one or more persons.

YES, BECAUSE WE SHOULD PUNISH PEOPLE FOR CRIMES THEY HAVEN'T COMITTED YET.

idiot.

Statistics prove him right actually. Especially for crimes of a person that age.

The fact still remains he hasn't comitted any crime besides what's listed in that article.

Which IMO is enough to put him in jail for a few years and then on probation for a few years. If he sets fires then he is close to concluding the trifecta. As for future crimes. You can't imprison someone for that, so yes it was a moronic statement.

NuclearMoron is the one who made moronic statements and tried to put them in my mouth. My statement stands. This kid should be locked up for life for what he did and the manner in which he did it, not for future crimes although I am sure that once he is done being coddled and reprimanded he will do even more heinous things.

Sure, I put words in your mouth

"Any 14-yr old who could knowingly and willingly be so cruel to both the cat and it's owners is a sociopath and will end up in jail eventually anyway.. probably for killing one or more persons." Right before that you say "They should just put the kid in jail and throw away the key."

Did you know that *gasp* two consecutive sentences can relate to each other and cause a conclusion?!? In this case "Put the kid in jail forever because he will probably murder somebody" is pretty much the core of your post, is it not?

 

[NuclearFusi0n]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
What a nasty little piece of work this kid is. They should just put the kid in jail and throw away the key. Any 14-yr old who could knowingly and willingly be so cruel to both the cat and it's owners is a sociopath and will end up in jail eventually anyway.. probably for killing one or more persons.

YES, BECAUSE WE SHOULD PUNISH PEOPLE FOR CRIMES THEY HAVEN'T COMITTED YET.

idiot.

How about for crimes he has already committed, pinhead?

So throw him in jail forever because he killed a cat?

yeah.

He did more than just kill a cat. He stole it from a neighbor knowing how much pain it would cause. He did it in a very violent and premeditated way. He tortured it before he kill it.

To act like it was simply an accident or a trivial matter is idiotic.

What, "felony cruelty to animals" isn't a punishment now?

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
What a nasty little piece of work this kid is. They should just put the kid in jail and throw away the key. Any 14-yr old who could knowingly and willingly be so cruel to both the cat and it's owners is a sociopath and will end up in jail eventually anyway.. probably for killing one or more persons.

YES, BECAUSE WE SHOULD PUNISH PEOPLE FOR CRIMES THEY HAVEN'T COMITTED YET.

idiot.

Statistics prove him right actually. Especially for crimes of a person that age.

The fact still remains he hasn't comitted any crime besides what's listed in that article.

Which IMO is enough to put him in jail for a few years and then on probation for a few years. If he sets fires then he is close to concluding the trifecta. As for future crimes. You can't imprison someone for that, so yes it was a moronic statement.

NuclearMoron is the one who made moronic statements and tried to put them in my mouth. My statement stands. This kid should be locked up for life for what he did and the manner in which he did it, not for future crimes although I am sure that once he is done being coddled and reprimanded he will do even more heinous things.

Yes, I put words in your mouth, like "Any 14-yr old who could knowingly and willingly be so cruel to both the cat and it's owners is a sociopath and will end up in jail eventually anyway.. probably for killing one or more persons." Right before that you say "They should just put the kid in jail and throw away the key."

Did you know that *gasp* two consecutive sentences can relate to each other and cause a conclusion?!? In this case "Put the kid in jail forever because he will probably murder somebody" is pretty much the core of your post, is it not?

So you are admitting you twisted my words?

 

[NuclearFusi0n]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
What a nasty little piece of work this kid is. They should just put the kid in jail and throw away the key. Any 14-yr old who could knowingly and willingly be so cruel to both the cat and it's owners is a sociopath and will end up in jail eventually anyway.. probably for killing one or more persons.

YES, BECAUSE WE SHOULD PUNISH PEOPLE FOR CRIMES THEY HAVEN'T COMITTED YET.

idiot.

Statistics prove him right actually. Especially for crimes of a person that age.

The fact still remains he hasn't comitted any crime besides what's listed in that article.

Which IMO is enough to put him in jail for a few years and then on probation for a few years. If he sets fires then he is close to concluding the trifecta. As for future crimes. You can't imprison someone for that, so yes it was a moronic statement.

NuclearMoron is the one who made moronic statements and tried to put them in my mouth. My statement stands. This kid should be locked up for life for what he did and the manner in which he did it, not for future crimes although I am sure that once he is done being coddled and reprimanded he will do even more heinous things.

Yes, I put words in your mouth, like "Any 14-yr old who could knowingly and willingly be so cruel to both the cat and it's owners is a sociopath and will end up in jail eventually anyway.. probably for killing one or more persons." Right before that you say "They should just put the kid in jail and throw away the key."

Did you know that *gasp* two consecutive sentences can relate to each other and cause a conclusion?!? In this case "Put the kid in jail forever because he will probably murder somebody" is pretty much the core of your post, is it not?

So you are admitting you twisted my words?

No, I'm calling you an idiot because you can't see what your own words mean.

"Put the kid in jail forever because he will probably murder somebody" is pretty much the core of your post, is it not?

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
What a nasty little piece of work this kid is. They should just put the kid in jail and throw away the key. Any 14-yr old who could knowingly and willingly be so cruel to both the cat and it's owners is a sociopath and will end up in jail eventually anyway.. probably for killing one or more persons.

YES, BECAUSE WE SHOULD PUNISH PEOPLE FOR CRIMES THEY HAVEN'T COMITTED YET.

idiot.

Statistics prove him right actually. Especially for crimes of a person that age.

The fact still remains he hasn't comitted any crime besides what's listed in that article.

Which IMO is enough to put him in jail for a few years and then on probation for a few years. If he sets fires then he is close to concluding the trifecta. As for future crimes. You can't imprison someone for that, so yes it was a moronic statement.

NuclearMoron is the one who made moronic statements and tried to put them in my mouth. My statement stands. This kid should be locked up for life for what he did and the manner in which he did it, not for future crimes although I am sure that once he is done being coddled and reprimanded he will do even more heinous things.

Yes, I put words in your mouth, like "Any 14-yr old who could knowingly and willingly be so cruel to both the cat and it's owners is a sociopath and will end up in jail eventually anyway.. probably for killing one or more persons." Right before that you say "They should just put the kid in jail and throw away the key."

Did you know that *gasp* two consecutive sentences can relate to each other and cause a conclusion?!? In this case "Put the kid in jail forever because he will probably murder somebody" is pretty much the core of your post, is it not?

So you are admitting you twisted my words?

No, I'm calling you an idiot because you can't see what your own words mean.

"Put the kid in jail forever because he will probably murder somebody" is pretty much the core of your post, is it not?

I'm done with this thread. You are the one who started and is continuing the namecalling. I'm not playing your demented game any more.

My statements are understandable to people who don't identify with animal abusers.

 

[NuclearFusi0n]

Yeah, I love animal abusers!

AND THE TRUTH COMES OUT!!!

not.

 

[LordMaul]

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n
Yeah, I love animal abusers!

AND THE TRUTH COMES OUT!!!

Tonight at 7 on Maury!

 

[nan0bug]

Believe it or not, kids can turn themselves around. Anyone who would even think about locking a 14 year old kid up for 5 years for killing a fvcking cat is sick in my book, sorry. I'm an example of someone who turned his life around, so sorry, statistics aren't always right. I spent over 5 years in jails and detention centers. It does more harm than good to a young person.

And fvck you if you disagree.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Ciber

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Ciber
Millenium is going to love this one .

I think this guy is a fvcktard and should spend 5 years in prison, but that is just me.

Me? Or the kid? lol....

The kid.

 

[Isla]

Originally posted by: nan0bug
Believe it or not, kids can turn themselves around. Anyone who would even think about locking a 14 year old kid up for 5 years for killing a fvcking cat is sick in my book, sorry. I'm an example of someone who turned his life around, so sorry, statistics aren't always right. I spent over 5 years in jails and detention centers. It does more harm than good to a young person.

And fvck you if you disagree.

What course of action would you suggest? As someone who has been there, your response could be very enlightening.

(BTW, I am not disagreeing with you at this point, so please do not 'fvck' me)

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: Isla

Originally posted by: nan0bug
Believe it or not, kids can turn themselves around. Anyone who would even think about locking a 14 year old kid up for 5 years for killing a fvcking cat is sick in my book, sorry. I'm an example of someone who turned his life around, so sorry, statistics aren't always right. I spent over 5 years in jails and detention centers. It does more harm than good to a young person.

And fvck you if you disagree.

What course of action would you suggest? As someone who has been there, your response could be very enlightening.

(BTW, I am not disagreeing with you at this point, so please do not 'fvck' me)

I think that intensive probation, house arrest, treatment, and evaluation of the family situation can do a lot more good than throwing the kid into a detention center. All I learned from being in juvenile detention was how to steal cars, a skill I ended up using about 3 months after being released. Then I ended up going back to a worse place, where violence was an everyday part of life. I had never been in a real fight before getting there, but I learned quickly. I ended up in jail for aggrivated assault a year after being released.

I don't blame the system, or anyone else for my actions. I do know that had I not gone to a place where I learned to attack before being attacked, and make examples out of people who cross you, I would have never gone so far as to snatch someone out of their car and put them in the hospitol for ripping me off for $20.

Since I got released last time I started seeing a therapist and working out some issues. I've been on parole and probation for the past 3 years and only violated once, and that was for getting home from work late when I was on house arrest. Therapy works. Some people won't want the help, and then sending them somewhere might be the best for them and everyone else. However, a lot of kids who get in trouble just need guidance, and lots of it. When you take a kid and put them in a place with other criminals, all they learn is how to be a better criminal.

 

[Isla]

Originally posted by: nan0bug

Originally posted by: Isla

Originally posted by: nan0bug
Believe it or not, kids can turn themselves around. Anyone who would even think about locking a 14 year old kid up for 5 years for killing a fvcking cat is sick in my book, sorry. I'm an example of someone who turned his life around, so sorry, statistics aren't always right. I spent over 5 years in jails and detention centers. It does more harm than good to a young person.

And fvck you if you disagree.

What course of action would you suggest? As someone who has been there, your response could be very enlightening.

(BTW, I am not disagreeing with you at this point, so please do not 'fvck' me)

I think that intensive probation, house arrest, treatment, and evaluation of the family situation can do a lot more good than throwing the kid into a detention center. All I learned from being in juvenile detention was how to steal cars, a skill I ended up using about 3 months after being released. Then I ended up going back to a worse place, where violence was an everyday part of life. I had never been in a real fight before getting there, but I learned quickly. I ended up in jail for aggrivated assault a year after being released.

I don't blame the system, or anyone else for my actions. I do know that had I not gone to a place where I learned to attack before being attacked, and make examples out of people who cross you, I would have never gone so far as to snatch someone out of their car and put them in the hospitol for ripping me off for $20.

Since I got released last time I started seeing a therapist and working out some issues. I've been on parole and probation for the past 3 years and only violated once, and that was for getting home from work late when I was on house arrest. Therapy works. Some people won't want the help, and then sending them somewhere might be the best for them and everyone else. However, a lot of kids who get in trouble just need guidance, and lots of it. When you take a kid and put them in a place with other criminals, all they learn is how to be a better criminal.

I agree with you 100% and I am glad to hear that, despite everything, you are on the road to a better life.

The sad thing is, the 'system' just can't (or won't?) support the best solutions. I have a very sweet 9 year old boy in my class who comes to school when his mom feels like sending him. Most of the time, she is too hung over to take care of her younger child, so the boy stays home and cares for both of them. And yes, all of it has been reported. This has been going on for a long time, and the social worker says it will just have to wait until next year. In the meantime, he is just a disaster waiting to happen.

BTW, I am in Florida. Our system has a habit of failing miserably on a regular basis.

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: Isla

Originally posted by: nan0bug

Originally posted by: Isla

Originally posted by: nan0bug
Believe it or not, kids can turn themselves around. Anyone who would even think about locking a 14 year old kid up for 5 years for killing a fvcking cat is sick in my book, sorry. I'm an example of someone who turned his life around, so sorry, statistics aren't always right. I spent over 5 years in jails and detention centers. It does more harm than good to a young person.

And fvck you if you disagree.

What course of action would you suggest? As someone who has been there, your response could be very enlightening.

(BTW, I am not disagreeing with you at this point, so please do not 'fvck' me)

I think that intensive probation, house arrest, treatment, and evaluation of the family situation can do a lot more good than throwing the kid into a detention center. All I learned from being in juvenile detention was how to steal cars, a skill I ended up using about 3 months after being released. Then I ended up going back to a worse place, where violence was an everyday part of life. I had never been in a real fight before getting there, but I learned quickly. I ended up in jail for aggrivated assault a year after being released.

I don't blame the system, or anyone else for my actions. I do know that had I not gone to a place where I learned to attack before being attacked, and make examples out of people who cross you, I would have never gone so far as to snatch someone out of their car and put them in the hospitol for ripping me off for $20.

Since I got released last time I started seeing a therapist and working out some issues. I've been on parole and probation for the past 3 years and only violated once, and that was for getting home from work late when I was on house arrest. Therapy works. Some people won't want the help, and then sending them somewhere might be the best for them and everyone else. However, a lot of kids who get in trouble just need guidance, and lots of it. When you take a kid and put them in a place with other criminals, all they learn is how to be a better criminal.

I agree with you 100% and I am glad to hear that, despite everything, you are on the road to a better life.

The sad thing is, the 'system' just can't (or won't?) support the best solutions. I have a very sweet 9 year old boy in my class who comes to school when his mom feels like sending him. Most of the time, she is too hung over to take care of her younger child, so the boy stays home and cares for both of them. And yes, all of it has been reported. This has been going on for a long time, and the social worker says it will just have to wait until next year. In the meantime, he is just a disaster waiting to happen.

BTW, I am in Florida. Our system has a habit of failing miserably on a regular basis.

Thats friggin tragic right there - and what's really tragic about it is if he ended up committing a crime, he would be sent away to a place like where I was. I'm not so disillusioned as to believe that some people don't belong in lock up. I just think that before the age of 18, there should be a lot more effort on rehabilitation, instead of handing out long sentences and expecting problems to fix themselves.

The places where I was at, I wouldnt wish upon anyone. When I first showed up at the 'treatment' center I was in, I was 15 years old and had never been exposed to anything quite like it. I was locked up with violent offenders. We slept in a barracks type building, and the guy next to me was 15 years old and serving 6 years in there for shooting a cop -- and here I was in there for stealing a car. This is where I think the system really fails.

Being surrounded by violent people, you learn to do what you have to do to survive. I learned that if someone had a problem with me, the best solution was not to go to staff (and make myself out to be a snitch) or to try and talk to them (and make myself out to be a bitch) but to hit them hard and quick before they got the chance to do it to me. After spending a year living like that, it's hard to get back out on the streets and not be attracted to the same kind of people, the same kind of behaviors.
In lock-up, reputation is everything. Once a bitch, always a bitch, unless you put in work to change that reputation. That mindset follows you. Being institutionalized isn't something that just goes away the day you're released. You have to relearn how to function in society, and its an everyday struggle. Its unnecessary, all things considered.

Kids who commit crimes are sick, in the same manner that a cancer patient is sick. They're kids for crying out loud. Its not unusual for communities to bond together to help out a family with a terminally ill child, so why is it so hard to help young offenders?

just my .02

 

[ISAslot]

oh my, this hits close to home...

I just lost my cat of 9 years yesterday

very sick thing to do

 

[Spac3d]

Maybe the cats owner can beat him, then can feed him to an alligator. He could see how it is to be eaten alive.

 

[thomsbrain]

Give me a room, an alligator, and 5 minutes alone with this little fvcktard.

 

[TallBill]

jesus.. its just a fricken cat.

bunch of tree huggers. its silly to lock a kid up for a long time for this, and its silly to get upset about another person's cat. Its like you guys go out looking for more things to be sad/upset about.

 

[dighn]

Originally posted by: TallBill
jesus.. its just a fricken cat.

bunch of tree huggers. its silly to lock a kid up for a long time for this, and its silly to get upset about another person's cat. Its like you guys go out looking for more things to be sad/upset about.

sure the cat isn't worth more than 5 seconds of thought but the owner had this cat for 11 years so it was very important to her.

though i do agree these people are over reacting

 

[TallBill]

But a lengthy jail term? He shouldn't have cried.. cuz then he looks guilty.

 

[Wallydraigle]

Originally posted by: TallBill
jesus.. its just a fricken cat.

bunch of tree huggers. its silly to lock a kid up for a long time for this, and its silly to get upset about another person's cat. Its like you guys go out looking for more things to be sad/upset about.

Hi. I'm kind of a freak. My people skills are next to non-existant. This is no one's fault but my own. But the thing is that my cat is my only friend in the world. I don't care if an aligator eats dinner. I don't care if someone feeds it a live animal, it was going to happen anyway. Aligators eat animals like cats everyday, that's just what they are. But if someone stole my cat from my home, tortured him, and then let another animal eat him alive I would lose it. I would most likely kill that person before the law had a chance to intervene. I'm not joking when I say this. In all seriousness if that were my cat the kid would most likely have died that day. He went out of his way to hurt someone one in the cruelest way he could. A way that can't be undone, and that he thought he could get off scot free for. But you're right, I think it's silly to lock someone up over something this too. If you scare the little piece of crap bad enough he might turn out to be a human being someday. Maybe.

I know you don't understand. That's okay. We all see the world in our own way.

 

[Banana]

To me, this offence seems worse than stealing property. Especially for a fourteen year old. Like Isla mentioned above, the lack of empathy is very disturbing.

The other issue not discussed is how the parents of the accused are accountable, if at all. Bad parenting cuts across all social strata, all countries.