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Another liberal radio talk show host calls it quits....

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First Jerry Springer. Now Al Franken. Good riddance.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16871434/

NEW YORK - Air America Radio, a liberal talk radio network, said Monday that it had reached a tentative agreement to be sold to the founder of a New York area real estate company. The network also said that Al Franken, its longtime headline personality, would depart next month.

The agreement with Stephen Green, the founder and chairman of SL Green Realty Corp., appears to rescue the struggling network, which has been seeking a buyer since last fall when it filed for bankruptcy reorganization after reaching an impasse with one of its creditors.

No terms of the sale agreement were disclosed. Any sale would have to be approved by the bankruptcy court.
 
Well it is about time.
Tired of hearing that he was leaving and then not have him leave.

Does this officially prove that Air America was a failure?
 
wow, who the hell listened to that channel anyway? i'm a lib and i got sick of it my first day, a bunch of whine, and choke just like the right wingnuts. i would hope that most people can think for themselves, and not need the hive mind of talk radio.
 
It wasn't a failure, it was a conspiracy by Cheney and Halliburton to secretly reprogram every radio dial in America so that they were unable to receive the station Air America was broadcasting on.
 
Originally posted by: QuantumPion
It wasn't a failure, it was a conspiracy by Cheney and Halliburton to secretly reprogram every radio dial in America so that they were unable to receive the station Air America was broadcasting on.
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Awesome!
 
Liberal talk radio is probably a hopeless venture. Conservatives in america today have a strong authoritarian streak in them, and they look to authority figures (Bush, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.) to lead them.

Herding liberals is like herding cats, and so its really hard to have a media figure that they are going to follow... because liberals tend to think they know better then whoever happens to be on TV or the radio. That's why even though the country is roughly split 50/50 left/right you can think of tons of right wing talking heads/tv show hosts/radio hosts... and on the left you can think of... Keith Olbermann, and (although I would object to this) MAYBE John Stewart.

 
The truth is Franken couldnt compet with Ed Shultz. Ed Shultz recently switched time slot to the 12-3 hours to go against limbaugh. on most Air America affialiates, Franken was Bumped.

his show wasnt that good, Plus Al is goint to run for Office anyway.

The current strong liberal radio line up im my area is now

Bill Press 6-9
Stephanie Miller 9-12
Ed Shultz 12-3
Randi Rhodes 3-6


In my radio market they are doing really well actually.
 
Originally posted by: judasmachine
wow, who the hell listened to that channel anyway? i'm a lib and i got sick of it my first day, a bunch of whine, and choke just like the right wingnuts. i would hope that most people can think for themselves, and not need the hive mind of talk radio.
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Which might explain the ever increasing popularity of RIGHT-wing radio. 😉
 
Originally posted by: judasmachine
wow, who the hell listened to that channel anyway? i'm a lib and i got sick of it my first day, a bunch of whine, and choke just like the right wingnuts. i would hope that most people can think for themselves, and not need the hive mind of talk radio.
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qft, I tried once to listen to that radio but I got bored within 20 minutes of commercials and the same kind of format as right wing radio with its twist.

I would much rather read a book or listen to political music on mp3s then be fed my information from a talking head.

TV is the same deal, I can handle it in small does and usually non-serious stuff like comedy but when someone starts preaching at me I get bored way too fast.

Why march lock-step with anyones PoV with all the options out there?

The "getting liberals to follow is like herding cats" by eskimospy is a great analogy and made me snicker a bit. :thumbsup:
(Although I am not much of a cat fan)
 
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Does this officially prove that Air America was a failure?
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Yes. Just like voting the Republicans out of the House and Senate was a sign of their failure....
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You make a very good point. However, with Bush and the Republicans getting their butts kicked in the election you would think that their ratings would be going up.

Now those of you attempting to categorize right wing radio are, as usual, wrong.
I do think you are right in terms of liberals and herding cats. Part of this is because there is no broad based liberal ideology at play in this country right now.
There is however a strong conservative movement that shares a lot of core values. The cohesiveness of this group is what drives the success of talk radio.

Also do not forget that there are a still a lot more outlets that offer a liberal point of view on news than offer a conservative view.
A liberal can turn on PBS, CNN, MSNBC any of the big three networks plus nearly all of the major newspapers and see a something that leans their way.
As a liberal/lefty you may think these news sources aren?t slanted to the left, but I can assure most of the conservatives feel that they are, which is what drives them to talk radio and FoxNews. Just look at the way the left on here complains about FoxNews and realize that conservatives feel that way about nearly every news source out there.


Eskimospy You are wrong on the 50/50 thing. Harris Interactive does a yearly poll of party and political affiliation and conservatives always beat liberals, and by a decent amount. Even during Clinton?s best years it was around 37-19 with 40% moderates.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Does this officially prove that Air America was a failure?
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Yes. Just like voting the Republicans out of the House and Senate was a sign of their failure....
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You make a very good point. However, with Bush and the Republicans getting their butts kicked in the election you would think that their ratings would be going up.

Now those of you attempting to categorize right wing radio are, as usual, wrong.
I do think you are right in terms of liberals and herding cats. Part of this is because there is no broad based liberal ideology at play in this country right now.
There is however a strong conservative movement that shares a lot of core values. The cohesiveness of this group is what drives the success of talk radio.

Also do not forget that there are a still a lot more outlets that offer a liberal point of view on news than offer a conservative view.
A liberal can turn on PBS, CNN, MSNBC any of the big three networks plus nearly all of the major newspapers and see a something that leans their way.
As a liberal/lefty you may think these news sources aren?t slanted to the left, but I can assure most of the conservatives feel that they are, which is what drives them to talk radio and FoxNews. Just look at the way the left on here complains about FoxNews and realize that conservatives feel that way about nearly every news source out there.
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Which is great, but we're not talking about Fox News...which, biased though it might be, is at least still mostly a news outfit. Same goes for the Washington Times and all the other "alternative media" outlets out there. In fact, I think you made our point pretty clear when you used talk radio and Fox News as synonyms for the same thing. If you feel that real media is biased, there are always outlets like Fox News and the Washington Times. But replacing CNN with Bill O'Reilly is pretty stupid, and while I agree that a number of conservatives seem to be doing just that, I disagree that it's about wanting to find "balanced" or "unbiased" coverage. Clearly what righties are looking for isn't "fair and balanced" so much as someone to hold their hand (intellectually speaking) and reassure them that they have the correct world view. After all, Bill O'Reilly seems strong and confident in his opinions...so if you share those opinions, clearly YOU are strong and confident as well...right? The failure of liberal versions of Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh seems to support the idea that liberals are largely NOT looking for that same reassurance and intellectual support. And even if you think their choice of news sources is liberally biased, I think even you'll have to admit that it's orders of magnitude better than the intellectual masturbation talk radio presents. We can argue CNN vs Fox News till we're blue in the face, but that's not what the debate is about, is it? There is a huge market for biased radio commentary as a supplement or replacement for news of any kind on the conservative side of things without a corresponding market on the liberal side of the fence. And whatever the reason might be, you have to admit it's rather interesting.

As for "broad based liberal ideology", I think you're right...and that's one of the things that attracted me to the lefties in the first place. I've always been a big fan of the idea that if everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking. I know a lot of lefties, and damn it all if it isn't hard to find two of them with the same opinion on the majority of issues. You might call it a lack of "core values"...I call it a good sign that everyone is actually using their brain to really think about the issues. Because I find it a little hard to believe that millions of Americans all thought about the same issues and managed to come to exactly the same conclusions.
 
Originally posted by: animalia
Michael Savage...the fvcking moron...still goin strong in the eyes of bigots.
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Fixed.


As for Franken, he'll likely start focusing on a run for Senate, presumably out of Minnesota? Perhaps he'll at least be able to serve in office without dumpster diving! :laugh:


 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Which is great, but we're not talking about Fox News...which, biased though it might be, is at least still mostly a news outfit. Same goes for the Washington Times and all the other "alternative media" outlets out there. In fact, I think you made our point pretty clear when you used talk radio and Fox News as synonyms for the same thing. If you feel that real media is biased, there are always outlets like Fox News and the Washington Times. But replacing CNN with Bill O'Reilly is pretty stupid, and while I agree that a number of conservatives seem to be doing just that, I disagree that it's about wanting to find "balanced" or "unbiased" coverage. Clearly what righties are looking for isn't "fair and balanced" so much as someone to hold their hand (intellectually speaking) and reassure them that they have the correct world view. After all, Bill O'Reilly seems strong and confident in his opinions...so if you share those opinions, clearly YOU are strong and confident as well...right? The failure of liberal versions of Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh seems to support the idea that liberals are largely NOT looking for that same reassurance and intellectual support. And even if you think their choice of news sources is liberally biased, I think even you'll have to admit that it's orders of magnitude better than the intellectual masturbation talk radio presents. We can argue CNN vs Fox News till we're blue in the face, but that's not what the debate is about, is it? There is a huge market for biased radio commentary as a supplement or replacement for news of any kind on the conservative side of things without a corresponding market on the liberal side of the fence. And whatever the reason might be, you have to admit it's rather interesting.

As for "broad based liberal ideology", I think you're right...and that's one of the things that attracted me to the lefties in the first place. I've always been a big fan of the idea that if everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking. I know a lot of lefties, and damn it all if it isn't hard to find two of them with the same opinion on the majority of issues. You might call it a lack of "core values"...I call it a good sign that everyone is actually using their brain to really think about the issues. Because I find it a little hard to believe that millions of Americans all thought about the same issues and managed to come to exactly the same conclusions.
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I think you are completely wrong with your 'hold their hand' idea. I don't listen to Rush or watch O'Reilly (both of which I hardly do) because I want someone to reassure me that my ideas are right. I watch or listen to them because they talk about issues and ideas that are important to me. They are generally the only source, besides online, for me to hear many topics and points of views that fit within my way of thinking.

Do the people on here who watch Olbermann do so because he 'holds their hands' or because he presents ideas in a way in which they agree? Obviously I believe it is the latter. Look at any of the Olbermann thread and the manner in which he talks about the President. NO BODY else is, in the main stream media, is going after Bush in a similar manner. Obviously this appeals to a certain part of the population.

For most of us our ideas and values are already cemented. What we get when we watch/listen to right wing media is a chance to see other people who agree and hold the same values. It's a form of self segregation. Just like middle class white people will move into one part of town while middle class black people move into another part. They don't do it because they don't want to live with people of the other color, but because they do want to live near people of their own color.
When I want to read new analysis I go to National Review while someone from the left might go to The Nation. Again, we don't do this so they will 'hold our hand' but because they share our view point.

Now if you are saying that EVERYONE goes to certain news sources because they 'hold thier hand' then maybe I would agree with you. But if you are implying that only those on the right seek out news sources friendly to them then you are completely wrong.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: animalia
Michael Savage...the fvcking moron...still goin strong in the eyes of bigots.
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Fixed.

As for Franken, he'll likely start focusing on a run for Senate, presumably out of Minnesota? Perhaps he'll at least be able to serve in office without dumpster diving! :laugh:
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I don't think Al has a prayer. It is one thing to elect a former actor whoevery knew was playing a part when he acted like a crazy man. It is another to elect someone who's public persona is that of a crazy man.
People are going to have a hard time separating Al the comedian/radio person from Al the politician.
I don?t think his books help him act like a serious candidate either. ?Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot? and ?Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them? are not exactly the typical books written by serious candidates. Someone is bond to ask him sooner or later if he really thinks Rush is a ?big fat idiot? or if he feels it is acceptable to call someone a ?big fat idiot? Going to be hard to run from these types of questions since they get right at the heart of whether he is serious enough to be a real candidate.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Does this officially prove that Air America was a failure?
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Yes. Just like voting the Republicans out of the House and Senate was a sign of their failure....
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You make a very good point. However, with Bush and the Republicans getting their butts kicked in the election you would think that their ratings would be going up.

Now those of you attempting to categorize right wing radio are, as usual, wrong.
I do think you are right in terms of liberals and herding cats. Part of this is because there is no broad based liberal ideology at play in this country right now.
There is however a strong conservative movement that shares a lot of core values. The cohesiveness of this group is what drives the success of talk radio.

Also do not forget that there are a still a lot more outlets that offer a liberal point of view on news than offer a conservative view.
A liberal can turn on PBS, CNN, MSNBC any of the big three networks plus nearly all of the major newspapers and see a something that leans their way.
As a liberal/lefty you may think these news sources aren?t slanted to the left, but I can assure most of the conservatives feel that they are, which is what drives them to talk radio and FoxNews. Just look at the way the left on here complains about FoxNews and realize that conservatives feel that way about nearly every news source out there.


Eskimospy You are wrong on the 50/50 thing. Harris Interactive does a yearly poll of party and political affiliation and conservatives always beat liberals, and by a decent amount. Even during Clinton?s best years it was around 37-19 with 40% moderates.
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Allow me to clarify, when I said a 50/50 split I was referring to how the vote ends up splitting in this country every electoral cycle. People can call themselves whatever they want to, but their real political views are shown in the way that they vote. If conservatives outnumber liberals by that degree... and if independants/moderates were truly independant and/or moderate, conservatives would win in a landslide every election. The fact that it is always so close shows that many moderates are far more liberal then they seem to realize 🙂 And so I say again, it's about a 50/50 split.

I also think that the Fox News argument is crap. The media is not conservative or liberal. It is contrarian and greedy. It always gives the president a hard time, no matter who he is. (anyone remember that lewinsky business? Where was the liberal media then? How about the run-up to war in Iraq? Didn't seem too liberal to me.) Any liberal bias (which I don't buy) is the result of a failure in editorial control, or journalistic integrity with the mainstream media. Fox News is different. They are explicitly putting a hard right slant (slant = lies by implication/omission) on news.. and they are doing it on purpose. This is against everything that journalism is supposed to be about. Fox News is an embarassment, and does our country a disservice by spouting partisan rhetoric in the guise of real news to people who don't know any better.
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
I also think that the Fox News argument is crap. The media is not conservative or liberal. It is contrarian and greedy. It always gives the president a hard time, no matter who he is. (anyone remember that lewinsky business? Where was the liberal media then? How about the run-up to war in Iraq? Didn't seem too liberal to me.) Any liberal bias (which I don't buy) is the result of a failure in editorial control, or journalistic integrity with the mainstream media. Fox News is different. They are explicitly putting a hard right slant (slant = lies by implication/omission) on news.. and they are doing it on purpose. This is against everything that journalism is supposed to be about. Fox News is an embarassment, and does our country a disservice by spouting partisan rhetoric in the guise of real news to people who don't know any better.
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Replace Fox News with CNN and right with left and you see exactly how many of us on the right feel about them.
Media bias is seen through our own personal bias as well. If you lean left you see things that way and if you lean right you see things that way.
Now there have been several academic studies of the media and they all conclude that there is in fact some media bias. The only real question is how bad is the bias and what causes it. I suggest you head to wikipedia and read up on media bias.
 
Originally posted by: Corbett
First Jerry Springer. Now Al Franken. Good riddance.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16871434/

NEW YORK - Air America Radio, a liberal talk radio network, said Monday that it had reached a tentative agreement to be sold to the founder of a New York area real estate company. The network also said that Al Franken, its longtime headline personality, would depart next month.

The agreement with Stephen Green, the founder and chairman of SL Green Realty Corp., appears to rescue the struggling network, which has been seeking a buyer since last fall when it filed for bankruptcy reorganization after reaching an impasse with one of its creditors.

No terms of the sale agreement were disclosed. Any sale would have to be approved by the bankruptcy court.
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air smells cleaner already!
 
Originally posted by: Corbett
First Jerry Springer. Now Al Franken. Good riddance.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16871434/

NEW YORK - Air America Radio, a liberal talk radio network, said Monday that it had reached a tentative agreement to be sold to the founder of a New York area real estate company. The network also said that Al Franken, its longtime headline personality, would depart next month.

The agreement with Stephen Green, the founder and chairman of SL Green Realty Corp., appears to rescue the struggling network, which has been seeking a buyer since last fall when it filed for bankruptcy reorganization after reaching an impasse with one of its creditors.

No terms of the sale agreement were disclosed. Any sale would have to be approved by the bankruptcy court.
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air smells cleaner already!
 
I listened to Air America for a while during my commute. It offered a change from what was available on the rest of the radio dial. Then I started listening to mp3s over my car stereo. I have a nice collection. Now I do not listen to radio at all.

I rather listen to music than hearing people talk.
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Liberal talk radio is probably a hopeless venture. Conservatives in america today have a strong authoritarian streak in them, and they look to authority figures (Bush, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.) to lead them.

Herding liberals is like herding cats, and so its really hard to have a media figure that they are going to follow... because liberals tend to think they know better then whoever happens to be on TV or the radio. That's why even though the country is roughly split 50/50 left/right you can think of tons of right wing talking heads/tv show hosts/radio hosts... and on the left you can think of... Keith Olbermann, and (although I would object to this) MAYBE John Stewart.
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if you believe that you need a lot of help.

Conservatives might respect authority figures more, but their respect has to be earned by actions, not mere words.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Well it is about time.
Tired of hearing that he was leaving and then not have him leave.

Does this officially prove that Air America was a failure?
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You are probably one of the few who actually gives a crap. Well, you and Corbett and the other ditto heads. I never listened to it. Too busy with more important things. Like breathing. 😛
 
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