Another Judge in yet another State rules abortion clinic law unconstitutional

[DAPUNISHER]

Let me remind you of a few more since you seem to forget them. And they are relevant to either your comment about leaving them to burn to save yourself, or how you respond to others here.

"If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;

"Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."

 

[fskimospy]

It tells me you never understood my position -- I never said an embryo is the same thing has a child. What I *did* say is they're both alive, and without embryos, you can't have kids.

There is some form of circular reasoning in the idea that embryos arent important as children, yet, you can't have children without embryos.

That's not circular reasoning. The purpose of the exercise was not to argue whether or not embryos were alive, important, fun at parties, or anything else.

When pro-life advocates talk about abortion, they frequently attempt to equate abortion or the with the murder of children, and say that a fertilized egg is a child, a human, whatever.

This exercise shows that not only do we not equate embryos with children, but we consider them so vastly less important that we are willing to choose the life of a baby over thousands, millions, or even billions of them. That shows that equating the two is highly suspect.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

My point is that a real Christian would have tried to save at least one with no regard for self. Because being saved guarantees him his place in heaven. Saving your own skin is a biological imperative, and for a Christian, faith in god should override that.

And the way you engage people here, is definitely not with love, as described in that passage. And just being here and constantly engaging in religious based debates is akin to the street corner remark. You are constantly seen doing it, but you fail to do it with in the manner the following passage entreats you to -

"But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,"

And I have to say this is the first time I have ever seen a Christian refer to bible verses as "swath of text". Most curious.

 

[Retro Rob]

My point is that a real Christian would have tried to save at least one with no regard for self.

Any human would have tried, but we're also required to use a "sound mind", meaning that we rationally weigh an action before executing it,.

Because being saved guarantees him his place in heaven.

No, this simply isn't true. God has no use for "babies" in Heaven, let alone there not being a single Bible passage saying that children go to Heaven.

This is dogma that you're sticking to.

Saving your own skin is a biological imperative, and for a Christian, faith in god should override that.

This is nonsense. Faith in God doesn't require one to be reckeless and stupid with their own lives.

And the way you engage people here, is definitely not with love, as described in that passage. And just being here and constantly engaging in religious based debates is akin to the street corner remark. You are constantly seen doing it, but you fail to do it with in the manner the following passage entreats you to -

"But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,"

Good point, but discussions take on different tones throughout. This is a guiding principle, and written for the simple fact that Christians won't always be gentle, so I'm allowed to fail this sometimes.

Look throughout the Bible where men failed to live up to God's standards, and were forgiven.

Take a chil pill, and stop judging.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Any human would have tried, but we're also required to use a "sound mind", meaning that we rationally weigh an action before executing it,.



No, this simply isn't true. God has no use for "babies" in Heaven, let alone there not being a single Bible passage saying that children go to Heaven.

This is dogma that you're sticking to.



This is nonsense. Faith in God doesn't require one to be reckeless and stupid with their own lives.







Good point, but discussions take on different tones throughout. This is a guiding principle, and written for the simple fact that Christians won't always be gentle, so I'm allowed to fail this sometimes.

Look throughout the Bible where men failed to live up to God's standards, and were forgiven.

Take a chil pill, and stop judging.

Thank you for engaging in rationalization, as predicted. And being a hypocrite while doing so. This entire thread is based on judging others actions. Some judge it murder, others judge it as not. But carry on with selectively applying and interpreting bible verses to suit your needs.

As to taking a chill pill, I am ice cold. But someone's jimmies are rustled.

 

[Retro Rob]

Thank you for engaging in rationalization, as predicted. And being a hypocrite while doing so. This entire thread is based on judging others actions. Some judge it murder, others judge it as not. But carry on with selectively applying and interpreting bible verses to suit your needs.

Judging actions is one thing, judging me as a person is another.

Do you understand the difference?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Judging actions is one thing, judging me as a person is another.

Do you understand the difference?

Now the semantics tactic eh? I am judging your actions on these forums. Christians in this thread judging women murderers for having abortions, is no different. That you would even attempt that angle, tells me you are simply argumentative.

 

[Retro Rob]

Now the semantics tactic eh? I am judging your actions on these forums. Christians in this thread judging women murderers for having abortions, is no different. That you would even attempt that angle, tells me you are simply argumentative.

Ok, chief.

 

[jhbball]

Any human would have tried, but we're also required to use a "sound mind", meaning that we rationally weigh an action before executing it,.



No, this simply isn't true. God has no use for "babies" in Heaven, let alone there not being a single Bible passage saying that children go to Heaven.

This is dogma that you're sticking to.



This is nonsense. Faith in God doesn't require one to be reckeless and stupid with their own lives.







Good point, but discussions take on different tones throughout. This is a guiding principle, and written for the simple fact that Christians won't always be gentle, so I'm allowed to fail this sometimes.

Look throughout the Bible where men failed to live up to God's standards, and were forgiven.

Take a chil pill, and stop judging.

God has no use for babies in heaven? You know God's will? Loooooooooool.

 

[alzan]

Take a chil pill, and stop judging.

But you're judging here:

Christian Fundamentalists view the Bible the exact same way you do, as strictly literal, which is why they're also wrong.

Also:

Please, make the connection for me. I cannot quite see how that swath of text addresses the part of my post you bolded.

And I have to say this is the first time I have ever seen a Christian refer to bible verses as "swath of text". Most curious.

I'm also confused as to why a Christian would refer to the word of G-d as a "swath of text"

Back on topic, Rob, you should probably just admit that you place embryos at a lesser value than a baby.

 

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Ok, chief.

Lol, well played. Stop being argumentative, but with a little condescension thrown in through a derogatory usage of chief. Well -

 

[Retro Rob]

Lol, well played. Stop being argumentative, but with a little condescension thrown in through a derogatory usage of chief. Well -

lol

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Back on topic, you should probably just admit that you place embryos at a lesser value than a baby.

Is this directed at me? If so, stop with the "Do you still beat your wife" style loaded questions.

Saw the edit. But it still goes. Loaded questions are fail, and serve no purpose in constructive dialogue.

 

[alzan]

Is this directed at me? If so, stop with the "Do you still beat your wife" style loaded questions.

Saw the edit. But it still goes. Loaded questions are fail, and serve no purpose in constructive dialogue.

It was not directed at you. Just wondering why Rob is okay with judging in one thread and not okay with it in others.

I think you mean loaded statement. A fallacy true but it still stands. Of course that makes your response to Rob:

And I have to say this is the first time I have ever seen a Christian refer to bible verses as "swath of text". Most curious.

loaded as well.