Another issue going on with the healthcare legislation

Craig234

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Exciting Healthcare Update

Dear Friends,

With your support, your phone calls, your emails, we won a major legislative victory today for a state single payer health care option in the House of Representatives in Washington, DC. The House Education and Labor Committee approved the Kucinich Amendment by a vote of 27-19, with 14 Democrats and 13 Republicans voting yes.

The amendment propels the growing single payer health care movement at the state level. There are at least ten states which have active single payer efforts in their legislatures. They are California, Colorado, Illinois, Minnesota, Montana, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Washington. The amendment mandates a single payer state will receive the right to waive the application of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA), which has in the past been used to nullify efforts to expand state or local government health care.

Under the Kucinich Amendment a state's application for a waiver from ERISA is granted automatically if the state has signed into law a single payer plan. With the amendment, for the first time, the state single payer health care option is shielded from an ERISA-based legal attack. Now that the underlying bill has been passed, as amended, by the full committee, we must make sure that Congress knows that we want the provision kept in the bill at final passage!

The state single payer option was one of five major amendments which I obtained support to get included in HR3200. One amendment brings into standard coverage for the first time complementary and alternative medicine, (integrative medicine). Another amendment drives down the cost of prescription drugs by ending pharmaceutical industry's sharp practices manipulating physician prescribing habits. An amendment stops the insurance industry from increasing premiums at the time when people are not permitted to change health plans; and finally an amendment imposing a requirement on insurance companies that they disclose the cost of advertising, marketing and executive compensation expenses (which generally divert money from patient care).

As you might recall, Kucinich was my first choice in the 2008 election (and unfootunately I've had reasons to strengthen that choice).

I wanted to put this up as information for those not following this part of the activity (myself included, except for his e-mail).

IMO, Kucinich often has excellent and creative proposals. Feel free to comment - and for a change, people will need to read it before commenting on the amendment:)
 

Craig234

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He's been saying it's a big help to have supporters calling Congressman at times.

If you want to sign up, here's a link.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Exciting Healthcare Update

Dear Friends,

With your support, your phone calls, your emails, we won a major legislative victory today for a state single payer health care option in the House of Representatives in Washington, DC.

The House Education and Labor Committee approved the Kucinich Amendment by a vote of 27-19, with 14 Democrats and 13 Republicans voting yes.

The amendment propels the growing single payer health care movement at the state level. There are at least ten states which have active single payer efforts in their legislatures.

They are California, Colorado, Illinois, Minnesota, Montana, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Washington.

As you might recall, Kucinich was my first choice in the 2008 election (and unfootunately I've had reasons to strengthen that choice).

I wanted to put this up as information for those not following this part of the activity (myself included, except for his e-mail).

IMO, Kucinich often has excellent and creative proposals. Feel free to comment - and for a change, people will need to read it before commenting on the amendment:)

But but but everyone hates California and it's approach to Healthcare.Now because your hero supports it, it's OK?

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Back off on the trolling attempt

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Craig234

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
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But but but everyone hates California and it's approach to Healthcare.Now because your hero supports it, it's OK?

Huh? I'm a Californian, this is a proposed program, and I haven't seem people say that.
 

Slick5150

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Hahaha, Kucinich. He's the Democrat Ron Paul.

Next.

Did you even read the post? His amendment already passed with Dems AND Republicans voting for it.
 

Double Trouble

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Kucinich is a complete nutcase, I find it embarrassing that folks from my state of Ohio keep putting that clown in office. It's not quite as bad as the idiots in MN putting Franken in, but still. I'm all for states being able to make their own decisions on health care, but anything that increases government run health care is a bad thing.
 

SammyJr

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Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Kucinich is a complete nutcase, I find it embarrassing that folks from my state of Ohio keep putting that clown in office. It's not quite as bad as the idiots in MN putting Franken in, but still. I'm all for states being able to make their own decisions on health care, but anything that increases government run health care is a bad thing.

Yeah, its too bad that Kucinch isn't a pro-war neocon.
 

TruePaige

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Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Kucinich is a complete nutcase, I find it embarrassing that folks from my state of Ohio keep putting that clown in office. It's not quite as bad as the idiots in MN putting Franken in, but still. I'm all for states being able to make their own decisions on health care, but anything that increases government run health care is a bad thing.

Your name should be double speak then..

You are in favor of states making their own decisions on health care as long as it is the decision you'd make. Huh. Got it.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Hahaha, Kucinich. He's the Democrat Ron Paul.

Next.

Did you even read the post? His amendment already passed with Dems AND Republicans voting for it.

That doesn't make him and his disciples any less ridiculous.
 

TruePaige

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Hahaha, Kucinich. He's the Democrat Ron Paul.

Next.

Did you even read the post? His amendment already passed with Dems AND Republicans voting for it.

That doesn't make him and his disciples any less ridiculous.

I fail to see this "ridiculousness".
 

Double Trouble

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Originally posted by: SammyJr
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Kucinich is a complete nutcase, I find it embarrassing that folks from my state of Ohio keep putting that clown in office. It's not quite as bad as the idiots in MN putting Franken in, but still. I'm all for states being able to make their own decisions on health care, but anything that increases government run health care is a bad thing.

Yeah, its too bad that Kucinch isn't a pro-war neocon.

Stupid comments FTL. I'm neither pro-war nor a neocon. Kucinich is a loon for a multitude of reasons, go do some reading on him.
 

Double Trouble

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Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Kucinich is a complete nutcase, I find it embarrassing that folks from my state of Ohio keep putting that clown in office. It's not quite as bad as the idiots in MN putting Franken in, but still. I'm all for states being able to make their own decisions on health care, but anything that increases government run health care is a bad thing.

Your name should be double speak then..

You are in favor of states making their own decisions on health care as long as it is the decision you'd make. Huh. Got it.

No, I'm all for states making their own decisions, and I hope they make the right ones. More government waste and bureaucracy is not the right choice, but if that's the stupid choice they want to make, go ahead (hey, how's that working out for ya, MA?).
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Kucinich is a complete nutcase, I find it embarrassing that folks from my state of Ohio keep putting that clown in office. It's not quite as bad as the idiots in MN putting Franken in, but still. I'm all for states being able to make their own decisions on health care, but anything that increases government run health care is a bad thing.

Your name should be double speak then..

You are in favor of states making their own decisions on health care as long as it is the decision you'd make. Huh. Got it.

No, I'm all for states making their own decisions, and I hope they make the right ones. More government waste and bureaucracy is not the right choice, but if that's the stupid choice they want to make, go ahead (hey, how's that working out for ya, MA?).
Done under the Republican sweetheart Mitt "Magic Panty" Romney

 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Kucinich is a complete nutcase, I find it embarrassing that folks from my state of Ohio keep putting that clown in office. It's not quite as bad as the idiots in MN putting Franken in, but still. I'm all for states being able to make their own decisions on health care, but anything that increases government run health care is a bad thing.

Your name should be double speak then..

You are in favor of states making their own decisions on health care as long as it is the decision you'd make. Huh. Got it.

No, I'm all for states making their own decisions, and I hope they make the right ones. More government waste and bureaucracy is not the right choice, but if that's the stupid choice they want to make, go ahead (hey, how's that working out for ya, MA?).
Done under the Republican sweetheart Mitt "Magic Panty" Romney

So the same type of "solution" done at a national level by Democrats is better how exactly?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Kucinich is a complete nutcase, I find it embarrassing that folks from my state of Ohio keep putting that clown in office. It's not quite as bad as the idiots in MN putting Franken in, but still. I'm all for states being able to make their own decisions on health care, but anything that increases government run health care is a bad thing.

Your name should be double speak then..

You are in favor of states making their own decisions on health care as long as it is the decision you'd make. Huh. Got it.

No, I'm all for states making their own decisions, and I hope they make the right ones. More government waste and bureaucracy is not the right choice, but if that's the stupid choice they want to make, go ahead (hey, how's that working out for ya, MA?).
Done under the Republican sweetheart Mitt "Magic Panty" Romney

So the same type of "solution" done at a national level by Democrats is better how exactly?
Is it the same?

 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Hahaha, Kucinich. He's the Democrat Ron Paul.

Next.

Well, except for the fact that DK has actually had a life full of actual real accomplishments besides just being outspoken and a thorn in the side of the establishment.

What has RP done besides suck cash from right-wing neo-nazis and libertopian free market wingnuts by throwing around a few emotional catch-phrases and say crazy shit like he wants to disband the dept of education?

DK>RP

RP is a scam, and many fools sent him $$$. That's the free market for ya.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Kucinich is a complete nutcase, I find it embarrassing that folks from my state of Ohio keep putting that clown in office. It's not quite as bad as the idiots in MN putting Franken in, but still. I'm all for states being able to make their own decisions on health care, but anything that increases government run health care is a bad thing.

Your name should be double speak then..

You are in favor of states making their own decisions on health care as long as it is the decision you'd make. Huh. Got it.

:D
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Another amendment drives down the cost of prescription drugs by ending pharmaceutical industry's sharp practices manipulating physician prescribing habits.

I'm having trouble finding the precise text of this. Does anyone have a link?
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Hahaha, Kucinich. He's the Democrat Ron Paul.

Next.

Well, except for the fact that DK has actually had a life full of actual real accomplishments besides just being outspoken and a thorn in the side of the establishment.

What has RP done besides suck cash from right-wing neo-nazis and libertopian free market wingnuts by throwing around a few emotional catch-phrases and say crazy shit like he wants to disband the dept of education?

DK>RP

RP is a scam, and many fools sent him $$$. That's the free market for ya.

Hate to break it to you, but communism is dead. You're a relic of the past, loser.
 

Steeplerot

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Mar 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Hahaha, Kucinich. He's the Democrat Ron Paul.

Next.

Well, except for the fact that DK has actually had a life full of actual real accomplishments besides just being outspoken and a thorn in the side of the establishment.

What has RP done besides suck cash from right-wing neo-nazis and libertopian free market wingnuts by throwing around a few emotional catch-phrases and say crazy shit like he wants to disband the dept of education?

DK>RP

RP is a scam, and many fools sent him $$$. That's the free market for ya.

Hate to break it to you, but communism is dead. You're a relic of the past, loser.

How much money he get you for? :D

Oh, and btw, what countries are undergoing a right-wing or market libertarian revolutions right now? None? Oh. Wow, guess that makes you the loser of what you call loser idealism then.

rEVOLoutionfaillol

Edit: Just wanted to prod one of these market anarchist/republican-in-hiding types, I dig DK even though he is a Dem, RP is not worth one of his farts.
 

Double Trouble

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Living in Ohio I've heard DK say countless things that absolutely put him on the loony fringe. Even his supporters generally agree that he's a nut, they just kind of chuckle when he says something crazy, but the bottom line is that he brings in money for his district, so he gets re-elected. Sad really, but that's how the system works.

Done under the Republican sweetheart Mitt "Magic Panty" Romney

I don't care if there's an R or D next to someone's name. If they do something stupid I'll say so, regardless of party.
 

JKing106

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Hahaha, Kucinich. He's the Democrat Ron Paul.

Next.

Well, except for the fact that DK has actually had a life full of actual real accomplishments besides just being outspoken and a thorn in the side of the establishment.

What has RP done besides suck cash from right-wing neo-nazis and libertopian free market wingnuts by throwing around a few emotional catch-phrases and say crazy shit like he wants to disband the dept of education?

DK>RP

RP is a scam, and many fools sent him $$$. That's the free market for ya.

Hate to break it to you, but communism is dead. You're a relic of the past, loser.

He pocket your donation, Hoyt? Just think, you coulda bought new truck and got a AK to shoot deer with instead. Bet you feel like a dumbass.