Another IE bug found! Damn!

b4u

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Hi,

This is getting ridiculous ... bugs in IE are a constant find! It's really hard to program some damn web page with cross-browser compatibility! Damn you Microsoft!

1# I recently start using massively the png format for images. I wanted to create gradient shadows, so I had to move on from simple gif transparency to png gradient transparency.

At that point, I found and read some articles about the IE bug, that doesn't display the shadows properly ... no problem on Firefox, though. So I had to include a script that would apply a Microsoft filter (AlphaImageLoader) that would "correct" that problem. Done!

2# Every time I have to create some layout, I have to struggle with tags and tabs, so that the IE parser will display the layout correctly. It's a pain, but in the end, I get it working on IE & FF. Good!

3# Today, I found that the IE changes colors in images! Yes, that's right! I have a png that's a rectangle of only one color, #93b5ee (RGB:147/181/238), and it displays the rectangle with color #89adec (RGB:137/273/136).

This, in my opinion, is truly unaceptable! How can a browser display the image in different color?

4# A few weeks ago, I went on a search for a way of making transparencies, and found something very nice, again some filter style from Microsoft that would allow me to do the trick. Again, it's just a Microsoft's proprietary code, that most probably will only run in IE 5.5+ (I think I read it somewhere while searching for it).

5# I'm not even talking about the differences in javascript language for accessing parts of the DOM ...


So my conclusion is: IE SUCKS! It has major bugs on parsing, and if that wasn't enough, instead of correcting them, Microsoft just seems to continually add some extra functionality that only works on IE.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but for quite some years now, we all know there are some differences between browsers. Still we are in XXI century, and companies like Microsoft just don't give a damn about it, they just continue to wide the differences between them, instead of trying to set a standard.

What bugs me the most, is that there are still around 80% of people surfing the internet with IE, so we can't completly ignore the stvpid browser, and we must program some damn simple web page for almost every browser available.


Thank you for listening. It's late, and I'm getting so very tired of this browser struggle!
 

rh71

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yeah well it's just too bad MS/Windows made it big... now we all have to live with that dominance until either:
- people stop using Windows
- MS takes IE out as a default web browser
 

Nothinman

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now we all have to live with that dominance until either:

Not true. FireFox runs on Windows, the more people that use FF the more likely MS will be to fix IE for those that won't. The only reason MS doesn't fix any of the crap b4u listed is because they're content with the current situation, if that situation changes they'll have to do something to fix it.

MS will continue to feed it's users crap as long as they take it, it's not like it's hard to install FF.
 

rh71

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You always speak as if the entire web user community is IT-savvy. I'm sure FF will gain their share but the point I was making is that as long as IE is bundled with Windows, many people will not even bother to try something else. I can easily say - for the majority of end-users, the web works with IE.

What bugs me the most, is that there are still around 80% of people surfing the internet with IE, so we can't completly ignore the stvpid browser, and we must program some damn simple web page for almost every browser available.
actually that 80% figure is probably only accurate for the IT-savvy people (maybe you got that figure from the w3c site recently in another thread). It's still more than 80% of the web users still using IE. Get rid of the "default" choice and people will start looking at options. Until then, it's still working fine for most... easily.

Oh and MS is about useability. Don't think they will voluntarily pull the plug on their compatible-with-even-junk-code browser just to satisfy us geeks. Again, to a degree, it sucks that they got big... where was FF then ? Is the real issue useability or code-conformity ? From MS' point of view... how did they want to attack that ? How do they address both at the same time ?
 
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What the hell? A thread about Firefox's dominance over IE6, and no one has mentioned tabs yet!?!?!?! For shame!! Long live IE6. (<-- Seriously. Just because it pisses off everyone here when I say IE6 is better than FF, and I actually mean it.)
 

Nothinman

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You always speak as if the entire web user community is IT-savvy

I know they're not, I've done tech support. But it's not like installing FF is hard.

I'm sure FF will gain their share but the point I was making is that as long as IE is bundled with Windows, many people will not even bother to try something else. I can easily say - for the majority of end-users, the web works with IE.

And if more people start using FF word will spread and those unsavvy people will start asking "What is this FireFox thing I keep hearing about?".
 

hopejr

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Nothinman: I know very few people that know about alternatives to IE that AREN'T IT-savvy, and there's even some that are that don't know. It has to be pointed out to people that there is another browser, and only then will they consider it.
I know of a web design company in Adelaide, Australia that designs sites that only work in IE properly, because they themselves don't know about other browsers (until it was pointed out to them). They use this piece of crap software called NetObjects Fusion to do their websites, and on the NetObjects website, only IE is advertised as if it's the only browser that exists.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
now we all have to live with that dominance until either:

Not true. FireFox runs on Windows, the more people that use FF the more likely MS will be to fix IE for those that won't. The only reason MS doesn't fix any of the crap b4u listed is because they're content with the current situation, if that situation changes they'll have to do something to fix it.

MS will continue to feed it's users crap as long as they take it, it's not like it's hard to install FF.
You're so right. I'm not a M$ or IE hater but I recently setup a system for a friend of my dad. Within one month he had more malware and trojans on the system than I've ever seen. Keep in mind this system had XP SP2 installed with the firewall on. Also had AVG Antivirus and Spybot/Spywareblaster installed/immunized. I even had Spybot loading, updating, immunizing, scanning, and fixing on each bootup. Granted, he should've been saying "No" when prompted to install toolbars, dialers, etc but I'm guessing this wouldn't have happened if he wasn't using IE.

I reloaded his system, took off all pointers to IE, and installed Firefox as the default browser. In doing so I found I liked FF myself and installed it on my lappy. So far so good.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: blurredvision
What the hell? A thread about Firefox's dominance over IE6, and no one has mentioned tabs yet!?!?!?! For shame!! Long live IE6. (<-- Seriously. Just because it pisses off everyone here when I say IE6 is better than FF, and I actually mean it.)
Well the OP cited several valid reasons why he doesn't like IE. Care to do the same for Firefox? ;) :p
 

Nothinman

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I know very few people that know about alternatives to IE that AREN'T IT-savvy, and there's even some that are that don't know. It has to be pointed out to people that there is another browser, and only then will they consider it.

Which is all the more reason to tell people about the alternatives, IE's dominance is largely fueled by ignorance.

 

boran

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imho IE will get a major upgrade relatively soon (for being IE) either in the last servicepack for XP or for the next MS OS

and I think we have two reasons to thank for that:
-Spyware
-FireFox
(the first more than the latter)

Spyware breaks so many computers these days (99% of the PC's that I have to fix are just simply spyware infested beyond usability) that some action has to be taken, on my part it's installing FF, and I hope from MS their part it's upgrading their browser (and throw in standard-compliancy while they're at it)
 

rh71

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Even if IE fixes their browser, there will be rebels who bleed orange. :roll: There's only so much that can be done for MS-haters.