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JohnCU

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couple of months ago, i posted asking about the AC not working right and the maintenance people came and they said the... condensing coil? or something was messed up, so i'm like okay well, i won't need the AC much longer so no big deal.

now, i have the heat set on like 65, and say if it goes to 64, it'll turn on but blow out cold air. however, if i put it above 70, it starts blowing out hot air. so why is the heat coming on above 70 but not below 70?

<- knows nothing about mechanical things :(
 

bctbct

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you probably have the fan set to on rather than auto.

set to auto and the fan will only run when the furnace cycles.
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: bctbct
you probably have the fan set to on rather than auto.

set to auto and the fan will only run when the furnace cycles.

checked that. there's a switch for fan: auto or on
then theres another switch: on, off, or supplt. heat, and when i turn the supplt heat switch on a light goes on and the whole damn thing turns off.
 

herm0016

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i am going to guess that supplt heat means that you have a woodstove or fireplace going to heat and you want the thing turned off, but still run the fan some, or something to that effect.
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: herm0016
i am going to guess that supplt heat means that you have a woodstove or fireplace going to heat and you want the thing turned off, but still run the fan some, or something to that effect.

ohh okay nothing like that here, i guess the thing is just messed up. bleh.
 

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Here's my guess:
It sounds like you have a heat pump. If it doesn't cool properly then chances are it won't heat properly either. When you set the 'heat' temp one degree above room temperature the heat pump runs but doesn't provide any heat. Once you set the 'heat' temperature above a certain point the auxiliary heat comes on and that is when you get hot air from the ducts.
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: woodie1
Here's my guess:
It sounds like you have a heat pump. If it doesn't cool properly then chances are it won't heat properly either. When you set the 'heat' temp one degree above room temperature the heat pump runs but doesn't provide any heat. Once you set the 'heat' temperature above a certain point the auxiliary heat comes on and that is when you get hot air from the ducts.

oh okay awesome, thanks!
 

woodie1

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: woodie1
Here's my guess:
It sounds like you have a heat pump. If it doesn't cool properly then chances are it won't heat properly either. When you set the 'heat' temp one degree above room temperature the heat pump runs but doesn't provide any heat. Once you set the 'heat' temperature above a certain point the auxiliary heat comes on and that is when you get hot air from the ducts.

oh okay awesome, thanks!

np
 

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not to hijack this but here's another question.

the other day my furnace started coming on for great lengths of time and then turning off for 5 minutes and starting up again for another long session. Usually it only comes on when the temperature changes in the room but since then it will sit at the desired temp and just blow warm air forever. I was thinking a sensor or fuse or something?

Note: set to heat and blower set to auto.
 

herm0016

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Originally posted by: woodie1
Here's my guess:
It sounds like you have a heat pump. If it doesn't cool properly then chances are it won't heat properly either. When you set the 'heat' temp one degree above room temperature the heat pump runs but doesn't provide any heat. Once you set the 'heat' temperature above a certain point the auxiliary heat comes on and that is when you get hot air from the ducts.

this makes sense. I was not thinking heat pump.
 

runzwithsizorz

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Sorry I'm late to this thread, but John, I also, now,(5yrs) have a heat pump. Thank God it's only in my basement! Moving from Ca. I had no idea what they were, so heres what I've found out so far, THEY SUCK! Unless they are used for a small area, that is double insulated, and you leave them on nearly 24/7, they neither, cool, or heat. I also have a switch similar to your, "supplt.", but mine is more aptly named, emerg. John, you DO NOT want to use this too often, if at all. I believe there are a few HVAC people here at ATOT that could explain in more detail.
If this is your main unit(?), may God have mercy on your soul.
 

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i thought a heat pump was just an a/c running in reverse, basically. so to me it sounds like you have a crappy unit runzwithsizorz, if it can't a/c.
 

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JohnCU, if you have a heat pump, then it won't cool well OR heat well. You house would only heat if your thermostat thinks there is a need for the supplemental or emergency heat. In which case a second functional furnace kicks in.
Originally posted by: runzwithsizorz
Sorry I'm late to this thread, but John, I also, now,(5yrs) have a heat pump. Thank God it's only in my basement! Moving from Ca. I had no idea what they were, so heres what I've found out so far, THEY SUCK! Unless they are used for a small area, that is double insulated, and you leave them on nearly 24/7, they neither, cool, or heat. I also have a switch similar to your, "supplt.", but mine is more aptly named, emerg. John, you DO NOT want to use this too often, if at all. I believe there are a few HVAC people here at ATOT that could explain in more detail.
Heat pumps do one thing and they do it very well: they keep a room (or house) at a constant temperature cheaply. In many cases, heat pumps can do that at a fraction of the cost of running an air conditioner or furnace (think roughly 1/5th of the cost). This is great if you have your thermostat set for one temperature all day every day. If the outside temperature is hotter than your set-point, then the heat pump will provide air that is slightly colder than your normal house temperature to keep it cool. If the outside temperature is colder than your set-point, then the heat pump will provide air that is slightly hotter than your house temperature to keep it warm.

Heat pumps are efficient since they give you free energy. Suppose you input 2000W of energy into an electric furnace to heat your house. Then 2000W of energy goes into your house to heat it up. But suppose you instead put 2000W of energy into a heat pump, that 2000W of energy goes into the house plus you PUMP 8000W of energy from outside back into your house for free (even if it is cold outside). The net effect is you spend money for 2000W of energy but you get 10,000W. Even natural gas or other forms of heating are generally far more expensive than heating via a heat pump with electricity.

Heat pumps, however, have limitations.
1) If you expect to feel really frigid or really hot air coming through your ducts, it won't happen. Heat pumps don't operate with short bursts of extreme temperatures, instead they heat or cool slightly and nearly continuously. You still save hundreds or thousands of dollars a year in energy costs.

2) If you rapidly change temperatures in the house, heat pumps can't keep up. Remember, they only give slightly hotter or cooler air. If you need to suddenly change your house temperature from 60°F to 75°F, a heat pump can't do it. This is where the "supplimental" or "emergency" switch comes in. An additional standard furnace will turn on and rapidly heat your house with really hot air. Of course, compared to the heat pump, this will cost you about 5x more. This is why you want to use that feature sparingly.

3) Having no rapid temperature swings mean programable thermostats aren't usually good fits with heat pumps. Programable thermostats are intended to give your house rapid temperature swings several times a day to save energy when you aren't home or aren't awake.

4) If the outside temperature is really extreme, then heat pumps can't keep up. Suppose it is -10°F outside, then you need that secondary furnace to keep up. It'll cost a lot though to run it since it isn't nearly as efficient as a heat pump.

5) Heat pumps are expensive to buy or fix.

Heat pumps are great as long as those limitations aren't problematic. For example, if you live in a place that is regularly in temperature extremes (say well below freezing or well over 100°F), you'll rarely use your heat pump feature and buying that expensive heat pump is a waste.
 
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Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
I thought you went to rehab?

yeah i got out of detox last thursday afternoon, outpatient now

you went into rehab the night of the 18th and got out the afternoon of the 20th?

Alrighty then...good luck
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
I thought you went to rehab?

yeah i got out of detox last thursday afternoon, outpatient now

you went into rehab the night of the 18th and got out the afternoon of the 20th?

Alrighty then...good luck

it didn't take long to detox me and they lied about the facility, said it wasn't AA based but it was so i got detoxed and said show me the outpatient treatment (aka a psychologist).
 

ElFenix

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ok now i'm really confused as to why a heat pump can't cool as well as a regular central a/c setup.
 

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
ok now i'm really confused as to why a heat pump can't cool as well as a regular central a/c setup.
It can cool as well IF it isn't too hot outside and IF the heat pump is functioning properly.
 

runzwithsizorz

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
i thought a heat pump was just an a/c running in reverse, basically. so to me it sounds like you have a crappy unit runzwithsizorz, if it can't a/c.

To a small degree, you are correct; "By definition, a heat pump is a machine which moves heat. Heat exists in all air at all temperatures down to "absolute zero" (-460º F). In the winter, a heat pump draws heat from the outdoor air and circulates it through ducts into your home. During the summer, it reverses the process and draws heat from your interior air and releases it outdoors.In addition to serving as an air conditioner, the heat pump contains a reversal valve which reverses the flow of refrigerant and thus allows the heat pump to serve as a heater during cold weather". NO, mine is not a crappy unit, see Dullards post below.
Imagine you wanted to buy a used car in Phoenix Az., and the salesman said, "the a/c on this baby blows kinda, sorta, cool- ISH air, but it does save a bit on the mpg".
 

JohnCU

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i think mine just sucks because of the condensing coil problem, cause it was pretty damn cold in here in the summer before it broke. i didn't know there was a backup heater that turns on when you really need it.
 

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this has nothing to do with your problem...

but my furnace wasn't working last week and i was able to find out how to fix the problem on the interwebs.

turned out to be some little flame sensor... had to be cleaned a bit...

i guess it's quite the cash cow for the HVAC fixer dudes.