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[Ruptga]

Maryland Gun Shop Backs Out Of Selling Smart Gun After Death Threats

“Obviously I received numerous death threats today,” he said. “I really f---ing appreciate that. That’s f---ing classy. That’s a great thing for gun rights – when you threaten to shoot somebody.”

 

[jpeyton]

"Smart" guns are for tw*ts, so you'll find little sympathy here.

The only safety is your trigger finger. I'm not going to trust my life to something that looks like a HiPoint/Timex bundle that could be defeated by a number of factors (software, hardware, power, active/passive interference, etc.).

 

[TerryMathews]

Id be curious to know what the list price on that smart gun was, if it was commercially viable or if it was a stunt intended to trigger the personalized gun law.

 

[sa7an1]

guys a fucking jackass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oX8FICoRSBs#t=436

finally gets to the tiny blurb the entire video should have been
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oX8FICoRSBs#t=508

 

[Thebobo]

I don't see a problem with these guns? Its a choice you dont have to buy it for lords sake.

 

[sa7an1]

I don't see a problem with these guns? Its a choice you dont have to buy it for lords sake.

they would active a law in NJ if not other states requiring all guns sold to conform to those standards within a year?
http://smartgunlaws.org/personalized-owner-authorized-firearms-policy-summary/

 

[jpeyton]

I don't see a problem with these guns? Its a choice you dont have to buy it for lords sake.

The free market spoke.

If it was lucrative for this dealer to sell this firearm, it would be for sale.

Instead, he faced a complete customer-driven boycott that threatened to shut him down.

Quite the opposite, "smart" guns are anything but a lucrative venture in this country.

 

[phucheneh]

You're exactly right: threats of bodily harm are a definite driver of the 'free market' in this country. Because this country is garbage.

I hope any gunowner that threatened him gets shot in the fucking face. Goddamn idiots make us all look bad.

 

[jpeyton]

You're exactly right: threats of bodily harm are a definite driver of the 'free market' in this country. Because this country is garbage.

I hope any gunowner that threatened him gets shot in the fucking face. Goddamn idiots make us all look bad.

The ironing.

And trust me, death threats were not part of his reasoning, they were part of his excuse. The reason was the boycott, which affected the thing he valued most: his paycheck.

 

[MongGrel]

go for it I guess, I don't want one.

 

[OCGuy]

P&N ---->

 

[Thebobo]

they would active a law in NJ if not other states requiring all guns sold to conform to those standards within a year?
http://smartgunlaws.org/personalized-owner-authorized-firearms-policy-summary/

How would a seller in MD activate a NJ law? Are they not sold elsewhere?

 

[MongGrel]

P&N ---->

+1 yep

 

[sa7an1]

How would a seller in MD activate a NJ law?

I haven't been following it as this thread is the first i heard but my understanding is once it was available in the country it would activate the NJ law.

 

[BUTCH1]

"Smart" guns are for tw*ts, so you'll find little sympathy here.

The only safety is your trigger finger. I'm not going to trust my life to something that looks like a HiPoint/Timex bundle that could be defeated by a number of factors (software, hardware, power, active/passive interference, etc.).

That would all come down to how good a job the manufacturer did with this type of design, if the system is well-done and robust I would not have an issue with it, someone breaking into your house or shooting at you from a vehicle would not have the time or expertize to disable your ability to use it IMPO. Just yesterday there was a news story about an 8th grader who took his Dad's 45 to school in his backpack, fully loaded, the school bus driver saw him pull it out to show it off the everyone on the bus, bus driver stopped the bus stat and had to call the sheriff. With this type of technology it would have been unable to be accidentally shot. I don't get the death threats from those assholes that called him, it's not like that's the only model/design of gun he was selling, totally senseless IMO, if you don't like the idea, don't buy one.

 

[Ruptga]

I don't see a problem with these guns? Its a choice you dont have to buy it for lords sake.

Oh that's what *they* want you to think. First they came for the dumb guns, and I did not speak out because I was not a dumb gun.

I'd tell you more but I can't seem to find my reflective hat, damn mole people keep stealing my shit...



Slightly more seriously...

The free market spoke.

If it was lucrative for this dealer to sell this firearm, it would be for sale.

Oh, without a doubt. There's absolutely nothing else going on here at all. No news coverage, no threats of vigilante justice from village idiots across the nation, no threats of economic ruin for merely offering a choice on the market. Err...

You use the phrase Free Market, but I do not think it means what you think it means. "A free market is a market economy in which the forces of supply and demand are free of intervention by a government, price-setting monopolies, or other authority." In this case the other authority is public opinion. The product was barred from the marketplace because people like you had a knee-jerk reaction and brought your weight to bear, which has *nothing* to do with actual market forces and everything to do with politics.

 

[IGemini]

I think the iP1 is a crappy idea. It's a .22LR pistol with too much gadgetry and greatly increased potential to fail as a result, and way expensive to boot (costs $1800 to get both the pistol and watch). I'm not a fan of having a separate device needed to use it, am not confident in the tech reliability, and for that much money I'd want a 9mm at least. But if one has the money and wants to get it, they should be able to.

And trust me, death threats were not part of his reasoning, they were part of his excuse. The reason was the boycott, which affected the thing he valued most: his paycheck.

The mere fact that he would've stocked the pistol would've put a law into effect that would ultimately require personalizing features for every firearm even possessed in NJ to be legal. People would either need to pay more to be compliant or become a criminal and would only hurt (currently) legal owners. It may be a "free market voice" but it's done with some serious government synergy.

His store is in Rockville, MD roughly a two-hour drive from the NJ border at the closest point. Delaware and Pennsylvania have stores that are closer and much more permissive laws. As restrictive NJ is, they did issue tens of thousands of purchase permits last year. It would only take one to make good on a death threat. You honestly believe this was about business more than self-preservation after claiming that selling "smart" guns aren't lucrative?

Is the guy an asshole? Maybe. But I don't blame him for getting pissed. I feel like my IQ dropped from the sheer stupidity of reading that law.

 

[BUTCH1]

I think the iP1 is a crappy idea. It's a .22LR pistol with too much gadgetry and greatly increased potential to fail as a result, and way expensive to boot (costs $1800 to get both the pistol and watch). I'm not a fan of having a separate device needed to use it, am not confident in the tech reliability, and for that much money I'd want a 9mm at least. But if one has the money and wants to get it, they should be able to.



The mere fact that he would've stocked the pistol would've put a law into effect that would ultimately require personalizing features for every firearm even possessed in NJ to be legal. People would either need to pay more to be compliant or become a criminal and would only hurt (currently) legal owners. It may be a "free market voice" but it's done with some serious government synergy.

His store is in Rockville, MD roughly a two-hour drive from the NJ border at the closest point. Delaware and Pennsylvania have stores that are closer and much more permissive laws. As restrictive NJ is, they did issue tens of thousands of purchase permits last year. It would only take one to make good on a death threat. You honestly believe this was about business more than self-preservation after claiming that selling "smart" guns aren't lucrative?

Is the guy an asshole? Maybe. But I don't blame him for getting pissed. I feel like my IQ dropped from the sheer stupidity of reading that law.

It would be impossible, even if a law were passed, to retro-fit every gun currently in owner's hands to use this technology so I don't get the anger at all, after reading it's only a .22 though and cost $1,800 no way in hell is it worth it, a .22 just does not pack enough punch to used for much of anything unless your lucky enough to get a close-range head shot.