Another gun control loser

[mithrandir2001]

Tony Auth is the Philly Inquirer's quasi-socialist cartoonist. Today's cartoon was a cheap shot at the lawful gun owners. NOBODY in the NRA would support the Maryland sniper so associating the NRA with the criminal at large is low-brow journalism. And when will these liberals learn? Gun registration would not have prevented the sniper from committing his crimes.

Cartoon

 

[nord1899]

Gun registration where you have to give a bullet that has been fired from your gun to the police would. They have recovered bullets fired by it and compared the striations left created by the gun. If the gun was registered and the striations were in a database, they could find the owner of the gun more quickly. Of course if the gun was stolen, then that would make it a moot point.

 

[glenn1]

I forsee a coming storm at the Inquirer, and both an apology from the paper and a cartoonist being put on extended "leave" coming shortly thereafter.

 

[FoBoT]

that is just sick :disgust:

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: nord1899
Gun registration where you have to give a bullet that has been fired from your gun to the police would. They have recovered bullets fired by it and compared the striations left created by the gun. If the gun was registered and the striations were in a database, they could find the owner of the gun more quickly. Of course if the gun was stolen, then that would make it a moot point.

You made his point. anyone who's doing this wouldn't be stupid enough to use a registered weapon.

nik

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: nord1899
Gun registration where you have to give a bullet that has been fired from your gun to the police would. They have recovered bullets fired by it and compared the striations left created by the gun. If the gun was registered and the striations were in a database, they could find the owner of the gun more quickly. Of course if the gun was stolen, then that would make it a moot point.

You made his point. anyone who's doing this wouldn't be stupid enough to use a registered weapon.

nik

Pretty much.

 

[glenn1]

Gun registration where you have to give a bullet that has been fired from your gun to the police would. They have recovered bullets fired by it and compared the striations left created by the gun. If the gun was registered and the striations were in a database, they could find the owner of the gun more quickly.

Yeah, that would narrow down the search somewhat, from searching for one of the 270 million people who are in this country, all the way down to trying to narrow down the search to one of the several billion guns in private hands in this country

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: glenn1
I forsee a coming storm at the Inquirer, and both an apology from the paper and a cartoonist being put on extended "leave" coming shortly thereafter.

For THAT? I'd say silencing a political cartoonist for making a statement some people don't agree with would be more offensive than the cartoon could ever have possibly been.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: glenn1
... one of the several billion guns in private hands in this country

Let me guess. You're a retired rocket scientist?

 

[tcsenter]

Nothing worse than Detroit Free Press cartoonist Mike Thompson portraying gun owners every month as illiterate and overweight slovenly drunken rednecks who beat their wives.

 

[PsychoAndy]

Originally posted by: nord1899
Gun registration where you have to give a bullet that has been fired from your gun to the police would. They have recovered bullets fired by it and compared the striations left created by the gun. If the gun was registered and the striations were in a database, they could find the owner of the gun more quickly. Of course if the gun was stolen, then that would make it a moot point.

IIRC, Ballistic fingerprinting is alive in Maryland. I did a report a year ago on it but I'm not sure if its still active.

-PAB

 

[Martin]

Its funny.

Just FYI, NRA types are trying to blame the shootings on gun control advocates.

Link

The gun nuts have forgotten to take their medication again. Usually, I wouldn't call them gun nuts. It's impolite in the first place, and in the second place, they all own guns--which come to think of it, probably ought to be the first place.

But they got on my nerves Monday when I opened up the latest issue of Gun News Roundup, the electronic newsletter of the Illinois State Rifle Association.

In Roundup offerings that were nuttier than usual, the rifle association suggested that the recent sniper killings in Maryland may have been committed as part of an anti-gun conspiracy, while it also attacked a gun control rally held in Chicago on Monday by belittling shooting victims and their families as well as children who enter an anti-violence writing contest.

Do you need any more reason to vote against candidates in the November election who courted this bunch, especially anyone who has failed to repudiate their campaign support?

I don't.

I wouldn't want the gun nuts to feel that I had unfairly portrayed their views, so I will quote the items in their entirety. Here's the first:

"Of course, most of you have heard about the sniper killings in Maryland this week. And, as expected, the gun grabbers are blaming law-abiding firearm owners for the carnage. Squawks include demands that centerfire rifles be placed under Class III jurisdiction," states the Roundup.

"Far be it from us to advance conspiracy theories, but the timing of this sniper activity is unsettling,'' the newsletter continues. "Maryland has one of the hottest governor's races in the country, certainly hotter than that in Illinois. The central theme of the Maryland race is gun control. Things heat up. There is this off the wall series of sniper killings. Murder made to order for the antigunners. Hmmm, weren't there some other high-profile mass gun killings at strangely convenient times?"

Richard Pearson, president of the Illinois State Rifle Association, told me he didn't write the newsletter, but he defended its implication that "antigunners" and "gun-grabbers" may have fomented the murders to advance their political cause.

 

[nord1899]

Originally posted by: PsychoAndy

Originally posted by: nord1899
Gun registration where you have to give a bullet that has been fired from your gun to the police would. They have recovered bullets fired by it and compared the striations left created by the gun. If the gun was registered and the striations were in a database, they could find the owner of the gun more quickly. Of course if the gun was stolen, then that would make it a moot point.

IIRC, Ballistic fingerprinting is alive in Maryland. I did a report a year ago on it but I'm not sure if its still active.

-PAB

Helps a lot when you can buy the gun in Virginia and not worry about this. But you are correct, MD does have that.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: nord1899

Originally posted by: PsychoAndy

Originally posted by: nord1899
Gun registration where you have to give a bullet that has been fired from your gun to the police would. They have recovered bullets fired by it and compared the striations left created by the gun. If the gun was registered and the striations were in a database, they could find the owner of the gun more quickly. Of course if the gun was stolen, then that would make it a moot point.

IIRC, Ballistic fingerprinting is alive in Maryland. I did a report a year ago on it but I'm not sure if its still active.

-PAB

Helps a lot when you can buy the gun in Virginia and not worry about this. But you are correct, MD does have that.

To buy a gun in Virginia, you must be a Virginia resident and present a Virginia drivers license.

 

[tcsenter]

Gun registration where you have to give a bullet that has been fired from your gun to the police would. They have recovered bullets fired by it and compared the striations left created by the gun. If the gun was registered and the striations were in a database, they could find the owner of the gun more quickly. Of course if the gun was stolen, then that would make it a moot point.

Provided that the person doesn't use one of the 200 million or so 'unprinted' firearms already in private possession, steals one, changes the barrel, or alters the rifling (very easily done).

For the cartoonist to imply that, in order to be against mandatory ballastic fingerprinting and registration, one then must be supportive of murder, is akin to the outrageous suggestion that one must be supportive of rape if they are against the mandatory DNA fingerprinting of every man in the US.

 

[nord1899]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nord1899

Originally posted by: PsychoAndy

Originally posted by: nord1899
Gun registration where you have to give a bullet that has been fired from your gun to the police would. They have recovered bullets fired by it and compared the striations left created by the gun. If the gun was registered and the striations were in a database, they could find the owner of the gun more quickly. Of course if the gun was stolen, then that would make it a moot point.

IIRC, Ballistic fingerprinting is alive in Maryland. I did a report a year ago on it but I'm not sure if its still active.

-PAB

Helps a lot when you can buy the gun in Virginia and not worry about this. But you are correct, MD does have that.

To buy a gun in Virginia, you must be a Virginia resident and present a Virginia drivers license.

And exactly how far away is Montgomery County, MD from Virginia? I grew up real damn close to where the guy was killed mowing the lawn at the car dealership near White Flint Mall. I know tons of people who live in MD and work in Virginia and vice versa.

 

[PsychoAndy]

Originally posted by: nord1899

Originally posted by: PsychoAndy

Originally posted by: nord1899
Gun registration where you have to give a bullet that has been fired from your gun to the police would. They have recovered bullets fired by it and compared the striations left created by the gun. If the gun was registered and the striations were in a database, they could find the owner of the gun more quickly. Of course if the gun was stolen, then that would make it a moot point.

IIRC, Ballistic fingerprinting is alive in Maryland. I did a report a year ago on it but I'm not sure if its still active.

-PAB

Helps a lot when you can buy the gun in Virginia and not worry about this. But you are correct, MD does have that.

W00T! My memory works!. But yes, buying out of state would be that much more "convenient" to the shooter.

A law enforcement officer I interviewed actually advocated Ballistic Fingerprinting on a national level more than instant background checks.

-PAB

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Are you really that dense? Is it hard to figure out that a guy who owns and knows how to use a sniper rifle would support the NRA?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Are you really that dense? Is it hard to figure out that a guy who owns and knows how to use a sniper rifle would support the NRA?

Yes, it is. And you obviously know nothing about the organization. The NRA does not support black markets in guns. How much do you want to bet this guy bought this gun illegally?

 

[Jzero]

For the cartoonist to imply that, in order to be against mandatory ballastic fingerprinting and registration, one then must be supportive of murder, is akin to the outrageous suggestion that one must be supportive of rape if they are against the mandatory DNA fingerprinting of every man in the US.

I don't think the cartoonist implied that at all. Looks to me more like he's accusing NRA/gun enthusiasts of allowing gun crime to take place. I agree that his view is misguided, but it doesn't imply that you support murder if you aren't pro gun-control.

 

[glenn1]

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Originally posted by: glenn1
... one of the several billion guns in private hands in this country
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Let me guess. You're a retired rocket scientist?

No, just someone with some common sense. Let's say for sake of argument that we had a perfect bullet specimen to work with, and had a complete rifling profile for every gun in existence. I'm going to presume that the shooter is using a rifle of a relatively common caliber, say a .308 Springfield, since it wouldn't make much sense that he'd be using an obscure caliber. How many .308 rifles do you think are in existence in the US? Millions? Tens of millions?

Now let's do a computer seach through the database of all those millions of rifling patterns, trying to match the specimen bullet we have. Given the state of technology today, how long do you think that would take? Here's a hint, check the distributed computing forums and you'll get an idea.

 

[PsychoAndy]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Are you really that dense? Is it hard to figure out that a guy who owns and knows how to use a sniper rifle would support the NRA?

Yes, it is. And you obviously know nothing about the organization. The NRA does not support black markets in guns. How much do you want to bet this guy bought this gun illegally?

There are certain people who define no paperwork gun shows and personal sales "black market" as well.

-PAB

 

[klah]

>>A law enforcement officer I interviewed actually advocated Ballistic Fingerprinting on a national level more than instant background checks.

And then we could keep criminals from smuggling in new guns; just like we do with illegal immigrants and drugs.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: PsychoAndy

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Are you really that dense? Is it hard to figure out that a guy who owns and knows how to use a sniper rifle would support the NRA?

Yes, it is. And you obviously know nothing about the organization. The NRA does not support black markets in guns. How much do you want to bet this guy bought this gun illegally?

There are certain people who define no paperwork gun shows and personal sales "black market" as well.

-PAB

But they are not. The sellers are required by law to obtain ID and keep the records for a set amount of time. Guns are always tracable if legally sold, as evidenced by the Columbine incident.

 

[jjones]

With the way American society is going it's only a matter of time, and not too far distant, that all gun ownership will become illegal and guns will only be securely in the hands of criminals. The Mad Mothers and Gun Grabbers will see to it and win out in the end. Thankfully I'll be dead by then.