Another General Speaks Out Against The Bush Administration

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The hit pieces keep on coming, undoubtedly timed to garner spotlight coverage during one of the most important elections in American history. What's sad is that this book is in many ways more important than McClellan's, but will likely be glossed over since it's content has already been echoed by other retired commanders who served in Iraq.

The military won't be a political stronghold for the GOP in the fall.

This book has it all. The deceptions used to draw our country to war. The authorization of torture in Iraq and Afghanistan. The flawed strategy and gross incompetence that was the exact opposite of the "support our troops" rhetoric being dished out by the Bush administration.

John McCain

June 02, 2008 12:04 PM

Lost in the coverage of the Democratic presidential race and the scathing memoir by Scotty McClellen is the autobiography just published by a former commander in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez (Ret.)

In "Wiser in Battle: A Soldier's Story," Gen. Sanchez goes into detail about various military blunders that led to where we are today.

In one excerpt, published by TIME, Sanchez explains why there were inadequate troop levels in Iraq for a time:

"CENTCOM had originally called for twelve to eighteen months of Phase IV activity with active troop deployments. But then CENTCOM had completely walked away by simply stating that the war was over and Phase IV was not their job.

"That decision set up the United States for a failed first year in Iraq. There is no question about it. And I was supposed to believe that neither the Secretary of Defense nor anybody above him knew anything about it? Impossible! Rumsfeld knew about it. Everybody on the NSC knew about it, including Condoleezza Rice, George Tenet, and Colin Powell. Vice President Cheney knew about it. And President Bush knew about it.

"There's not a doubt in my mind that they all embraced this decision to some degree. And if it had not been for the moral courage of Gen. John Abizaid to stand up to them all and reverse Franks's troop drawdown order, there's no telling how much more damage would have been done.

"In the meantime, hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars were unnecessarily spent, and worse yet, too many of our most precious military resource, our American soldiers, were unnecessarily wounded, maimed, and killed as a result. In my mind, this action by the Bush administration amounts to gross incompetence and dereliction of duty."

In an excerpt published on NPR's website, Sanchez writes

"In the aftermath of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, I watched helplessly as the Bush administration led America into a strategic blunder of historic proportions. It became painfully obvious that the executive branch of our government did not trust its military. It relied instead on a neoconservative ideology developed by men and women with little, if any, military experience. Some senior military leaders did not challenge civilian decision makers at the appropriate times, and the courageous few who did take a stand were subsequently forced out of the service...I saw the cynical use of war for political gains by elected officials and acquiescent military leaders. I learned how the pressure of a round-­the-­clock news cycle could drive crucial decisions. I witnessed those resulting political decisions override military requirements and judgments and, in turn, create conditions that caused unnecessary harm to our soldiers on the ground..."

"Over the fourteen months of my command in Iraq, I witnessed a blatant disregard for the lives of our young soldiers in uniform. It is an issue that constantly eats away at me.

There's an odd anecdote recounted in today's Washington Post of a videoconference with President Bush held after four contractors were killed in Fallujah in 2004. Bush, Sanchez writes, began a "confused" pep talk:

"Kick ass!" Bush said, according to Sanchez. "If somebody tries to stop the march to democracy, we will seek them out and kill them! We must be tougher than hell! This Vietnam stuff, this is not even close. It is a mind-set. We can't send that message. It's an excuse to prepare us for withdrawal. There is a series of moments and this is one of them. Our will is being tested, but we are resolute. We have a better way. Stay strong! Stay the course! Kill them! Be confident! Prevail! We are going to wipe them out! We are not blinking!"

And regarding Abu Ghraib, Sanchez writes -- according to Eli Lake of the New York Sun -- that the U.S. was torturing prisoners.

A remarkable admission.

"During the last few months of 2002, while the highest levels of the U.S. government were sparring with Saddam Hussein and setting up the case for an invasion of Iraq, there is irrefutable evidence that America was torturing and killing prisoners in Afghanistan...In retrospect, the Bush administration's new policy triggered a sequence of events that led to the use of harsh interrogation tactics against not only al Qaeda prisoners, but also eventually prisoners in Iraq?in spite of our best efforts to restrain such unlawful conduct."

Probably the book won't merit as much media attention as McClellen's book, but it sounds like it should.
 

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Gay Marriage FTW
The GOP blew their "sanctity of marriage" wad in 2004.

In 2004, it was an election day issue in many important states across the country.

This year it will be an issue in CA, but no amount of push by the Republicans will put that state into the red column in the fall.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: dahunan
Gay Marriage FTW
The GOP blew their "sanctity of marriage" wad in 2004.

In 2004, it was an election day issue in many important states across the country.

This year it's will be an issue in CA, but no amount of push by the Republicans will put that state into the red column in the fall.

I hope you are right... but Americans and people in general have really short memories...
 

NoStateofMind

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It doesn't matter what anyone says. They (the administration) will never be indicted for any crimes.....EVER. Even if some fricken miracle from the land of oz had an indictment handed down to Bush or his close cohorts, it would be thrown out of court. We all KNOW this war is a fuckup and draining our economy dry, but who is going to do anything about it? No one. We will occasionally see a rooster here and there crowing about something but never, NEVER will be ever see justice served. For some, justice is too late (for those who died)
 

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It was obvious long before Bush was elected that he was a total imbecile and would be a disaster as a President, but a huge number of brain dead Americans voted for him anyway. It is on them and the rest of America that didn't stop him from being elected by working harder to defeat him, that the blame for our current catastrophe rests. Even today many of the same idiots that voted for Bush will vote in the next election, rather than, as they should, never hold a political opinion again and never again vote. But fools are fools are fools.
 

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
It doesn't matter what anyone says. They (the administration) will never be indicted for any crimes.....EVER. Even if some fricken miracle from the land of oz had an indictment handed down to Bush or his close cohorts, it would be thrown out of court. We all KNOW this war is a fuckup and draining our economy dry, but who is going to do anything about it? No one. We will occasionally see a rooster here and there crowing about something but never, NEVER will be ever see justice served. For some, justice is too late (for those who died)

You will have to content yourself with the certainty that Bush will go down in history as one of the biggest pieces of shit ever to hit the American fan.
 

Craig234

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Thank goodness for the people at least writing the truth in books, at cost to themselves in their relationships and opportunities. I wonder if the people in power will get better at preventing that, such as with agreements when people accept positions and rewards for not publishing.

One thing you heard a lot in 2000 but not lately:

That the Republicans/Bush are 'the grownups' - the mature, seasoned, skilled people of the political system.
 

venkman

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Sigh. I want to go back to a time when the countries biggest problem with the president was him getting a BJ.
 

Siddhartha

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That general sounds like another "disgruntled employee" who is cashing in by writing a book.

I know, I suck at sarcasm....

Seriously, if this had been Mr Clinton, the Republicans would be cranking out the investigations and working out how to impeach him right now.

Mr Bush has to pay a price for Iraq. There has to be a historical lession learned so that no future President can think about getting the US into an optional war without thinking "I do not want to pull a "George W Bush" here".
 

Throckmorton

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This guy is a hero for writing this book. We should all go out and buy it.

The thing is, McCain criticized the bizarre neoconservative ideology driven mismanagement from the start, so this can't make him look bad.
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
This guy is a hero for writing this book. We should all go out and buy it.

The thing is, McCain criticized the bizarre neoconservative ideology driven mismanagement from the start, so this can't make him look bad.
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Give Throckmorton some what of a bingo on discerning the McCain all things to all people
bogus appeal. Why a few weeks ago, McCain took one stand on the environment and then tries to bill himself as green. Yet if we look at the lifetime environmental voting record, one conservation organization scores McCain at 26% while both Hillary and Obama come in at 86%.

But in terms of the Iraq war, its hard to be on both sides of McCain's I will stay in Iraq for a 100 years.
 

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If you really want to know what's going on, just follow the money trail.

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows
 

lupi

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So anything new in this thread about the book not covered in the last one?

I do suppose we could help jp along and drag out a couple poles and jews and have them right a book about the nazi camps being bad, or perhaps get a meteoroligist to detail the fact that rain will make you wet.
 

DealMonkey

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"...gross incompetence and dereliction of duty."

Yeah, that about sums up this administration. But anyway, where are the minority Bush cheerleaders pointing out the obvious? That this is a book and therefore everything in it is immediately suspect.
 

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Originally posted by: Siddhartha
That general sounds like another "disgruntled employee" who is cashing in by writing a book.

I know, I suck at sarcasm....

Seriously, if this had been Mr Clinton, the Republicans would be cranking out the investigations and working out how to impeach him right now.

Mr Bush has to pay a price for Iraq. There has to be a historical lession learned so that no future President can think about getting the US into an optional war without thinking "I do not want to pull a "George W Bush" here".

Like everything else the Republicans have ruined they've also ruined impeachment.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton

Topic Summary: "In my mind, this action by the Bush administration amounts to gross incompetence and dereliction of duty."

This book has it all. The deceptions used to draw our country to war. The authorization of torture in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Gross incompetence and dereliction of duty" doesn't begin to cover it. The more accurate words are:

TREASON for gross violations of the rights guaranteed to every American citizen under the U.S. Constitution, including unwarranted spying on American citizens, unlawful detainer and the right to habeas corpus (the right of anyone held by authorities to know the charges against them), the right to a speedy, open, fair trial, the right to be represented by competent counsel and more.

MURDER, for the death of every American who has died in their war of LIES in Iraq. This is not idle chatter. I have posted two valid legal theories that would support charges of murder against those responsible for leading the nation into the tragic fiasco in Iraq.

TORTURE and other WAR CRIMES, including waterboarding and other "harsh methods of interrogation," kidnapping foreign nationals on foreign soil, and other actions they explicitly authorized in tragic, knowing detail.

WAR PROFITEERING by their political contributors and friends, including Haliburton and its subsidiaries, who have subsequently committed gross fraud and incompetence in their over-priced execution of the jobs they were supposed to do.

That and more are well beyond "gross incompetence and dereliction of duty." The correct word is CRIMINAL. Every member of this malevolent POS administration should be tried for their crimes. Those convicted should be given all expenses paid lifetime vacations at the beautiful downtown Guantanamo Hilton with free daily passes on the exciting waterboard ride.

Waterboarding isn't torture. They said so, themselves, and we can believe them... right? :roll:

Originally posted by: JS80
Cherry picking Sanchez's book FTL.

Shooting the messenger because he can't handle the message FTL. :thumbsdown:
 

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Bush supporter of the 27% "BAAAAOOOOKS ARE BAAAAAAAAAD!". "DON'T WANT'EM, DON'T NEED 'EM, CAN'T READ 'EM!".:D
 

Arkaign

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Originally posted by: JS80
Cherry picking Sanchez's book FTL.

lol, FTL is anyone who still thinks that Bush or his cronies have any credibility. The words from the quoted section of Sanchez's book pretty much says it all, 'cherry picking' or no.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
"...gross incompetence and dereliction of duty."

Yeah, that about sums up this administration. But anyway, where are the minority Bush cheerleaders pointing out the obvious? That this is a book and therefore everything in it is immediately suspect.

A statement of the obvious regarding the situation is not a revelation and therefore not fabricated or a lie. At worst it's an opinion, but gross incompetence and dereliction of duty would be words I would use - let alone someone with an axe to grind.

Everyone should understand and agree that the use of our troops as policemen in another country is gross incompetence. The continuation, under which they bleed and die for, is dereliction of duty to keep them alive.
 

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas

A statement of the obvious regarding the situation is not a revelation and therefore not fabricated or a lie. At worst it's an opinion, but gross incompetence and dereliction of duty would be words I would use - let alone someone with an axe to grind.

When did you lose touch with reality and any awareness of the mountain of hard evidence of the Bushwhackos' criminality? :roll:
 

trenchfoot

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the book of history will not be kind to bush and his crew of looting profiteers, but in all honesty, they got everything they wanted in the 6+ years that they had complete control over the three branches of government. they were masterful at what they set out to do, and they are now happy campers who laugh and smirk at all of us suckers who can do nothing but despise them for what they've done to the country.

they engineered a hostile takeover of the gov't, and in true slash and burn style, they are walking away with everything but the busted kitchen sink. they did their job so well, they not only took everything we had in the treasury, they also got the money our grandchildren haven't earned yet.

money stained with the blood of our troops is still money to them, and to them acquiring it in billions and billions is all that ever mattered.

you did a hell of a job, bush. congrats.