Another Democratic President could lead to continued legislation blocking and disrupt

[Oldgamer]

I have listened to a number of key Republican’s speaking on the news in interviews over this past month and several have said that if the US continues to have a Democratic President that they will effectively continue with the legislation blocking and disruption in Congress that we have seen with this current POTUS. I was a bit taken back by this overt vow, to continue to put this country in peril with stagnating legislation and possibly more stunts that have caused our Country to suffer with the amount of vitriolic mind boggling chicanery that these Republicans have put out over the past years with the current POTUS. It has cost us so much and divided our country so deeply. I know many people have said vote independent or vote for a third party but I just don’t see that happening honestly for a win in the white house. The only thing that comes of that is taking votes away from either Republican or Democratic sides. I can’t say that Democrats are not guilty of some very bad things either, but honestly this has to be the worst line of thinking to endorse continued behavior like this on the Republican’s side. I feel like our country is being held hostage and if we don’t put Republican’s all in power they will make the US suffer more with continued blocking, disruption, lack of any real work any congress only to stagnate progress more for millions and millions of American’s and set our country back even further. I mean honestly, some of you Republican’s why on earth would you support this type of behavior? If you look at the record of what Republicans have done, (2008-2014) the overall record since President Obama took over it is a very dismal record in deed.
As one person has said: “If you want to drive on a bridge without wondering if it will collapse before you get to the other side, the Republican Party isn't the choice for you”. Honestly that is how I am feeling with the Republicans at this moment. For me there is just no way I can ever vote Republican again.

OG

 

[cabri]

when did you last vote for a Republican?

 

[Oldgamer]

when did you last vote for a Republican?

I voted for George Bush Jr. many years ago. Let me also say that I hadn't always been a Democrat was a Republican back then.

 

[Newell Steamer]

I feel like our country is being held hostage and if we don’t put Republican’s all in power they will make the US suffer more with continued blocking, disruption, lack of any real work any congress only to stagnate progress more for millions and millions of American’s and set our country back even further.

I mean honestly, some of you Republican’s why on earth would you support this type of behavior?

Because anything non-Republican / conservative is viewed as a threat - a threat that must be stopped at all costs,.. even if it means:
- things come to a grinding halt in congress
- people die to lack of insurance coverage
- lie after lie after lie is spread to vilify the threat as best as possible
- logic and rational thought is thrown out the window

It is a reaction of a defective mind - who can not stop from labeling everything and anything that is not like them as a threat.

 

[Oldgamer]

Because anything non-Republican / conservative is viewed as a threat - a threat that must be stopped at all costs,.. even if it means:
- things come to a grinding halt in congress
- people die to lack of insurance coverage
- lie after lie after lie is spread to vilify the threat as best as possible
- logic and rational thought is thrown out the window

It is a reaction of a defective mind - who can not stop from labeling everything and anything that is not like them as a threat.

You get no disagreement from me on this..lol

 

[thraashman]

I'd love a link on these statements. Because if true it's simply them outright admitting that THEY are the problem. The GOP wants to claim that the obstruction is because of the democrats agenda, but if they're indeed admitting they'll obstruct before the agenda is even known, well I just don't see how anyone who isn't an idiot could vote for them. Hell, it's gotten so bad with the current Congress is could be considered seditious.

 

[Jhhnn]

Stockbrokers always offer the disclaimer that past performance is not indicative of future results.

That statement does not apply to politics, particularly to the radical Repub agenda of the present. Past performance *is* indicative of future results-

http://egbertowillies.com/2012/09/0...ama-to-fail-and-would-obstruct-at-every-turn/

All linked up.

That doesn't even cover Birtherism & the trumped up "scandals" of character assassination & duh-version, either. I see no reason that they'd treat another Dem president any differently, unless it's a black thing, which they vehemently deny.

 

[Sonikku]

I have listened to a number of key Republican’s speaking on the news in interviews over this past month and several have said that if the US continues to have a Democratic President that they will effectively continue with the legislation blocking and disruption in Congress that we have seen with this current POTUS. I was a bit taken back by this overt vow, to continue to put this country in peril with stagnating legislation and possibly more stunts that have caused our Country to suffer with the amount of vitriolic mind boggling chicanery that these Republicans have put out over the past years with the current POTUS. It has cost us so much and divided our country so deeply. I know many people have said vote independent or vote for a third party but I just don’t see that happening honestly for a win in the white house. The only thing that comes of that is taking votes away from either Republican or Democratic sides. I can’t say that Democrats are not guilty of some very bad things either, but honestly this has to be the worst line of thinking to endorse continued behavior like this on the Republican’s side. I feel like our country is being held hostage and if we don’t put Republican’s all in power they will make the US suffer more with continued blocking, disruption, lack of any real work any congress only to stagnate progress more for millions and millions of American’s and set our country back even further. I mean honestly, some of you Republican’s why on earth would you support this type of behavior? If you look at the record of what Republicans have done, (2008-2014) the overall record since President Obama took over it is a very dismal record in deed.
As one person has said: “If you want to drive on a bridge without wondering if it will collapse before you get to the other side, the Republican Party isn't the choice for you”. Honestly that is how I am feeling with the Republicans at this moment. For me there is just no way I can ever vote Republican again.

OG

Tl, DR version: Send a Republican to the White House and things will finally start getting done in this country.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Posting in yalcjt

 

[norseamd]

Because anything non-Republican / conservative is viewed as a threat - a threat that must be stopped at all costs,.. even if it means:
- things come to a grinding halt in congress
- people die to lack of insurance coverage
- lie after lie after lie is spread to vilify the threat as best as possible
- logic and rational thought is thrown out the window

It is a reaction of a defective mind - who can not stop from labeling everything and anything that is not like them as a threat.

As much as this is some good thought I think it is too considerate of the Republicans. They will fuck with everything because they want to be ignorant assholes who can just be douchebags to everyone just because they can. They are not so dumb that they have no idea about what they do every day to America.

 

[Zaap]

I'm all for another Dim president. Let them keep owning the mess they make. Also it seems to keep the govt bootlickers in line. I can't recall the last time they took to the streets protesting some terrible injustice as if the world was coming to an end (OK so there was Occupoop all over a few public parks, but none of those twits blocked traffic or did anything that the productive people noticed or were bothered by all that much besides brief entertainment value.)

If an R was in office, suddenly all the loons would pretend to care about foreign wars and oil and such things again and be as annoying as many of them were for 8 years under GWB.

 

[PokerGuy]

If we do continue our current streak of 14 years of incompetent idiots in the white house, I'd be all in favor of complete and total gridlock. Doing nothing is better than doing something that makes things worse.

 

[norseamd]

If we do continue our current streak of 14 years of incompetent idiots in the white house, I'd be all in favor of complete and total gridlock. Doing nothing is better than doing something that makes things worse.

And I have been wondering if there is a 3rd faction who voted Obama into another term yet also voted the Republicans into power in 2010 to do this exact same shit. Makes sense although I am also wondering if not being able to do anything made Obama focus more of his free time on corruption.

 

[Oldgamer]

Stockbrokers always offer the disclaimer that past performance is not indicative of future results.

That statement does not apply to politics, particularly to the radical Repub agenda of the present. Past performance *is* indicative of future results-

http://egbertowillies.com/2012/09/0...ama-to-fail-and-would-obstruct-at-every-turn/

All linked up.

That doesn't even cover Birtherism & the trumped up "scandals" of character assassination & duh-version, either. I see no reason that they'd treat another Dem president any differently, unless it's a black thing, which they vehemently deny.

Thanks for linking that btw.

 

[Fern]

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I mean honestly, some of you Republican’s why on earth would you support this type of behavior?

I don't consider myself a republican but I'll answer:

I believe that policies that I don't support, policies I think will be bad for the US, should be stopped. Examples include amnesty for illegal immigrants and cap-n-trade.

It's really that simple.

Some things can be compromised on, but the nature of other things means they can't be.

“If you want to drive on a bridge without wondering if it will collapse before you get to the other side, the Republican Party isn't the choice for you”

And how much of Democrat's trillion dollar stimulus plan went to bridge repairs (infrastructure)?

Fern

 

[norseamd]

I don't consider myself a republican but I'll answer:

Does any one actually anymore?

20 years ago everyone identified as republican or democrat. Now it seems everyone identifies as liberal or conservative.

 

[cubby1223]

Does any one actually anymore?

20 years ago everyone identified as republican or democrat. Now it seems everyone identifies as liberal or conservative.

Because if you do identify yourself as one, "the other side" immediately attributes most negative traits of every other individual who also identifies the same, and applies those attributes to you, without any pause to recognize that individuals are individuals.

There is little if any upside to placing a label on yourself unless you are in position to profit off the label. Not many are in such a position.


To the point of the thread - immediately prior to the current Republicans filibustering a record number of times, the Democrats set the record for filibusters. To think that reversing all the political party labels is the magic key to everything working, is lunacy. Unless you have single-party domination, there will be obstruction from both sides.

 

[BoberFett]

Republican politicians are douchebags for the most part and I certainly don't want their crappy legislation. But I'm not entirely against gridlock.

 

[norseamd]

Because if you do identify yourself as one, "the other side" immediately attributes most negative traits of every other individual who also identifies the same, and applies those attributes to you, without any pause to recognize that individuals are individuals.

There is little if any upside to placing a label on yourself unless you are in position to profit off the label. Not many are in such a position.


To the point of the thread - immediately prior to the current Republicans filibustering a record number of times, the Democrats set the record for filibusters. To think that reversing all the political party labels is the magic key to everything working, is lunacy. Unless you have single-party domination, there will be obstruction from both sides.

True. But also the political parties have deteriorated worse and worse into vapid shit.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Republican politicians are douchebags for the most part and I certainly don't want their crappy legislation. But I'm not entirely against gridlock.

You wouldn't be the only ones.

Of course the pendulum is always in motion it will swing back, but there's not much confidence in politicians. Imagine that.

 

[Fern]

Does any one actually anymore?

20 years ago everyone identified as republican or democrat. Now it seems everyone identifies as liberal or conservative.

Yeah, IMO as evidenced here, there are still those who are loyal to their party. But I think as info has become more readily available etc many have become more issue oriented and consequently more eclectic. That makes labels less effective. I'm not sure some would consider me a conservative because, for example, I oppose the WOD. That's probably more libertarian. Shrug.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah, IMO as evidenced here, there are still those who are loyal to their party. But I think as info has become more readily available etc many have become more issue oriented and consequently more eclectic. That makes labels less effective. I'm not sure some would consider me a conservative because, for example, I oppose the WOD. That's probably more libertarian. Shrug.

Fern

Just an FYI the research actually shows the opposite. In the last 40 years or so both voters and politicians have become more radicalized and their opinions have become more homogeneous around accepted party positions.

The war on drugs is actually one of the few issues where there party is not a strong predictor of position. (Both the extreme left and extreme right want to end it, the middle generally likes it just fine)

Research shows a large increase in the number of people claiming to be independent but in practice they are simply closeted partisans. People like the mantle of independence but don't actually behave that way.

 

[Fern]

Fine, instead of the WOD I'll cite HC. Neither party comes even close to my position. Heck, as far as I can tell neither even discusses the proposed solutions I support.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

Fine, instead of the WOD I'll cite HC. Neither party comes even close to my position. Heck, as far as I can tell neither even discusses the proposed solutions I support.

Fern

Whatever you support they probably don't. Health care is one of those issues where the only possible solutions appear to be the split baby that nobody really wants.

Health economists have a pretty good idea of what the best system is: national, universal catastrophic health insurance combined with health savings accounts and a safety net for the poor. It's just that we can't get exactly to that.

 

[ivwshane]

I don't consider myself a republican but I'll answer:

I believe that policies that I don't support, policies I think will be bad for the US, should be stopped. Examples include amnesty for illegal immigrants and cap-n-trade.

It's really that simple.

Some things can be compromised on, but the nature of other things means they can't be.



And how much of Democrat's trillion dollar stimulus plan went to bridge repairs (infrastructure)?

Fern

About $360 billion, why do you ask?