"Another Democratic Congress? It could be awhile" Salon.com

ProfJohn

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Yet more bad news for you Democrats.

This article explains why it may be hard for the Democrats to retake the House in the next 10+ years.

In short:
20 of the seats lost by the Democrats were held by long term Democrat serving in Republican districts.

Redistricting in Ohio and Penn could ensure that the Republicans maintain those seats.

And unmentioned is the fact that around 12 seats are being removed from northern blue states and being moved to southern red states.

Sucks to be a Democrat right now
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/11/06/democrats_house_gone/index.html
To everyone's surprise, Nancy Pelosi wants to return as the Democrats' leader in the next Congress. But if she's hoping for a big Democratic year in 2012 that would give her the speaker's gavel back, she might want to look closer at Tuesday's results: Based on the breadth and scope of their losses, it is going be almost impossible for Democrats to retake the House in the next 10 years.

While Democrats’ historic loss of at least 61 seats (results are still pending in a handful of districts) can be traced to a diverse set of factors, the majority of the Democrats defeated were either elected to Republican-friendly seats in the wave elections of 2006 and 2008 or were long-term incumbents who represented heavily GOP districts. The seats in that latter category are likely gone for good, while many in the former are clustered in a handful of states where GOP state-level gains will ensure that they are fortified in next year’s redistricting trials, making them even more difficult for Democrats to take back than they were entering the '06 and '08 cycles.

The losses of Democrats like Rick Boucher (southwest Virginia coal country), Lincoln Davis (increasingly conservative central Tennessee), Chet Edwards (College Station, Texas), Jim Marshall (Macon, Ga.), Earl Pomeroy (North Dakota), Ike Skelton (the Ozarks) and Gene Taylor (Biloxi and Pascagoula, Miss.) are particularly painful for Democrats, given the treacherous political terrain they face in those districts. Democrats were incredibly lucky to hold these seats as long as they did, and they were able to because incumbents like Skelton (elected in 1976), Boucher (1982), Taylor (1989), and Edwards (1990) had adeptly burrowed themselves in. Democrats were always going to lose these seats when these representatives stepped down, but the tidal wave of 2010 washed them all away in one fell swoop.

Put another way, of the 20 most Republican-leaning House seats held by Democrats on Election Day, 17 of them fell. With Partisan Voting Index scores ranging from R+9 in Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin’s South Dakota at-large district to an unfathomable R+20 for Edwards’ Texas seat and Taylor’s south Mississippi district, it's a miracle Democrats held these seats for as long as they did. Altogether, Democrats dropped 25 seats this week with PVI ratings of R+6 or more. It’s difficult to envision the party winning many of these seats back in the short- or long-term future.

Looking at Tuesday’s results from another angle, around two-thirds of the seats Democrats lost were held by members elected in the '06 and '08 elections. With a small handful of exceptions, nearly all of these districts are Republican-leaning, though most not overwhelmingly so. They represented the spoils of Democrats’ own wave elections. As currently drawn, many of them could theoretically be competitive in 2012, but Republican state legislative and gubernatorial gains could help the GOP use the forthcoming redistricting to fortify many of them.

New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida, where approximately one-third of Democrats’ overall House losses occurred, are potentially prime targets for this. With Republicans winning back both the governorships and state legislative chambers in Ohio and Pennsylvania, they will have carte blanche to strengthen the lines of the seats Democrats just lost through 2020.

Republicans in Pennsylvania attempted to do this last decade, but they miscalculated and spread themselves too thin -- leaving several Republican members of Congress vulnerable in the Democratic tide of '06 and '08. Don’t expect to see the same mistake twice, though. Look for the new GOP map-drawers in Harrisburg to fortify the lines of the Erie County-based 3rd District and the suburban Philadelphia districts that Democrats Pat Murphy and Joe Sestak have represented. Even the traditionally Democratic Scranton district of 13-term veteran Paul Kanjorski might be altered in order to protect Lou Barletta, the Republican who ousted Kankorski this week. There's also the 12th District, where Democrat Mark Critz survived Tuesday's massacre; but with the state due to lose a House seat next year, expect Critz’s district to be carved up in short order.

Similarly, with Republicans now in full control in Ohio, the five seats Democrats just lost based around Cincinnati, Columbus and Canton, along with the seats in the east and southeast being given up by the vanquished Zack Space and Charlie Wilson, will be strengthened by the GOP to keep them in the party's column for the next decade. And with the census chopping off two Ohio districts, a couple more House Democrats will likely be in the cross hairs next year.

In New York, the situation is a bit different, as Democrat Andrew Cuomo was easily elected governor. But Democrats are in enormous peril of losing the state Senate, a development that would prevent them from imposing favorable lines that would help them reclaim the five districts they just lost (and maybe more -- Republicans lead incumbent Democrats in two outstanding races in the state). And while Florida's governorship and state legislature will remain in Republican hands, the passage of a state constitutional amendment that seeks to make it harder to draw partisan gerrymanders could be helpful to Democrats. But it's questionable whether it will drastically affect the current lines to their benefit. With the loss of four Democratic seats, the state delegation now sits at 19-to-6 in favor of Republicans. And even with Florida gaining two new seats next year, expect little turnover in the near future, as Republicans will seek to insulate their freshly-won seats.

Furthermore, Republican state legislative gains in Colorado, Indiana and Texas could also strengthen newly-won GOP seats -- this is especially true for two new GOP prizes in South Texas. In California, the passage of Proposition 20, which removes redistricting power from the Legislature and awards it to a nonpartisan commission, couldn't have come at a worse time for Democrats, with Jerry Brown winning the governorship this week.

It's just hard to see how Democrats will be able to score the broad gains they'll need to win back their House majority any time soon. It might just be another 12-year wait.
 

theeedude

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If people aren't happy and want to put another party in charge, they'll keep hammering until that happens.
 

matt0611

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I think it will be hard for dems to come back in any significant way in congress in 2012.
But who knows what will happen in 4,6,8+ years, remember when everyone was saying republicans are basically done as a party, just 4 years ago?
 

theeedude

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Republicans still have a problem of not being able to govern. It works out OK when a Democrat is president, but becomes more of a challenge to pull off when they actually get the power to run things.
 

cubby1223

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So many thought the Republican Party was finished forever after the 2008 elections.

All power corrupts, there will be shifts again.

I doubt the strongly ideological progressives will gain control again for a while, but regular candidates with the "D" will.
 

manimal

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The second Paul Ryan starts his move to privatizing SS everything will change...
 

Double Trouble

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Methinks a lot of repubs are making the same mistake the dems made in 2008. They think the vote was somehow part of a massive groundswell movement toward their platform or ideas, and that the other party is basically toast for the next xyz years.

The reality is that the dems won in 2008 for the same reasons they got hammered this year. The public is unhappy about the state of the economy and country in general, so they take it out on those in power. Come next election, everything could have changed again, it all depends on if people feel secure in their jobs or not.....
 

sportage

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OH PLEASE....
After Watergate everyone said the republicans were all but dead and a defunct party never to get a single vote again. After Gore lost, they said the same about democrats.
Such talk is silly and has never proven to be true. Voters are not in love with either party. And voters can and do turn on a dime.
 

TheBDB

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Just 2 years ago 255 Democrats were elected...that is a larger majority than the current Republican tidal wave tsunami hurricane election. Don't underestimate the power of Republicans to screw everything up.
 

RightIsWrong

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When you only have two viable choices, when the sitting party is screwing the pooch (and they will beyond the shadow of a doubt), the other is the only other option.

The Dems will have power again in the very near future (possibly 4 years) and then they will do the same, stupid shit that got them booted this year and then the Republicans will think that they have some mandate, screw the pooch again and here come teh Dems to the rescue....wash, rinse, repeat.
 

Lemon law

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I expect we will elect a democrat prez, House, and senate in 2012. I have absolute faith in the Republicans in the house to screw up what little economic recovery we have.
 

ichy

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OH PLEASE....
After Watergate everyone said the republicans were all but dead and a defunct party never to get a single vote again. After Gore lost, they said the same about democrats.
Such talk is silly and has never proven to be true. Voters are not in love with either party. And voters can and do turn on a dime.

This.
 

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Lemon law

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Nick, I have already told you I don't bet on political events, but I still can watch the GOP screw up all hope of US economic recovery by 2012.

Meanwhile as the US economy swirls down the drain the GOP will blame to democrats and the democrats will blame the GOP. As all voters, rich and poor, will swirl down the drain too.

I take no joy making that prediction, but Nick, your hero Hoover tried the same 2010 GOP version of economic pablum in 1929 and we already know how well that worked then.
 

Patranus

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Lets just pray Nancy Pelosi keeps her job as Democrat leader in the house.
It will be like leading lambs to slaughter.
 

Craig234

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I expect we will elect a democrat prez, House, and senate in 2012. I have absolute faith in the Republicans in the house to screw up what little economic recovery we have.

The Republicans screwed up a ton of things with abuse of the filibuster and nothing but obstructionism, but as they expected, voters blamed the Democrats.

Voter anger in 2012 is not clearly going to be aimed at Republicans. Republicans have two years to do but nothing but now abuse 'investigations' to attack Democrats with.

Remember, in 2000 voters gave Bush enough votes to let the Presidency be taken, and Republicans the House again, rather than rewarding Democrats, in better times.

The corporatocracy and the right-wing propanda machine are more powerful than ever at telling voters who to blame, the Democrats.
 

jman19

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So many thought the Republican Party was finished forever after the 2008 elections.

All power corrupts, there will be shifts again.

I doubt the strongly ideological progressives will gain control again for a while, but regular candidates with the "D" will.

Yep, same crap people were saying about the Dems in 2004. These things are always back and forth, the party in power always seems to screw it up big time and gets booted out eventually.
 

RightIsWrong

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The corporatocracy and the right-wing propanda machine are more powerful than ever at telling voters who to blame, the Democrats.

Dude, with all due respect, stop blaming the Republicans and the "right-wing propaganda machine" for all that ails this country. Neither side is doing a thing to help anyone but themselves, their party and those that funded their way to their positions.

Both sides have huge propaganda machines and both sides are completely beholden to corporate American and special interest groups. To keep denying that it is not just a one way street is the epitome of partisan blindness and is doing nothing but continuing the cycle of "it's not us, it's them!" bickering that not only allows them to keep this stupidity going, but makes it so that they have no real reason to stop doing it.
 
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Patranus

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The Republicans screwed up a ton of things with abuse of the filibuster and nothing but obstructionism, but as they expected, voters blamed the Democrats.

The Republicans only gained the ability to filibuster after the election of Scott Brown in Massachusetts (of all places) who ran on being the 51st vote AGAINST health care.
 

manimal

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if you look at voter turnout the republicans sowed up the white vote for the most part-some isoalted races notwithstanding.

If you look at the way minorities like myself voted you see a very different picture. While there were modest gains in places like florida and nevada with minority voters because of minority candidates the overall long term effect of pushing the southern strategy and vilifying immigrants will eventually decimate the core of the republican party.

Being on the wrong side of social issues had generational impact in the conservitive movement as back as slavery...

The biggest problem the democrats have right now is their disenfranchised base. Wars, DADT, the public option did as much to have dems stay home as it did to get the neocons and the social conservitives out to vote.

10 million of the 15 million young voters that voted for Obama last election cycle didnt make it out to vote at all.. What would have happened this large bloc had been energized?

The main issue for dems right now is messaging. Will they learn from the mistakes of this election?