Another country up for sale

[routan]

So.. you are in favor of Gaddafi's oppressive rule? I cannot remember a single revolution that was successful without the use of violence.

erm. Egypt?
Also, please go ahead and read what I have written in previous posts. No need to just put a post forward to increase your post count

 

[Newbian]

erm. Egypt?
Also, please go ahead and read what I have written in previous posts. No need to just put a post forward to increase your post count

Says the guy copy / pasting the same answer. 😀

 

[routan]

Supplying weapons is neither proof that these people are thugs, nor is it proof that the rebellion was not genuine.

Then you probably should educate yourself on his regime and its policy towards Libyans, both at home and abroad. The US's support of Libya is something along the lines of their support for Pakistan -- the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Gaddafi was not a popular figure in Western circles.

I have no "perception of behavior." My opinion on the rebellion is that it was genuine. Once NATO saw that momentum of the Arab Spring could potentially carry this rebellion all the way to Tripoli, they pounced on the opportunity to back the rebels. Gaddafi has been an unpopular figure in the West, mostly for his ties to terrorism, but also because of his brutal regime. NATO took the rebellion as an opportunity to displace him and install another democratic government. Whether that last bit comes to fruition remains to be seen.

Your failure here is to provide one iota of evidence that these men are "thugs." You cannot even define what you mean by the word, though you can tell me specifically what it doesn't mean. I don't see any evidence that the men who started this rebellion were hired by NATO and you have yet to provide this information.

You write many words, without any substance.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend? What the fuck you smoking? Who is the common enemy of Gaddafi and US? Or Pakistan and US? "Gaddafi was not a popular figure" does not make him into a murderous tyrant that you earlier claimed. He was unpopular in Libya, heck so was Bush here.

Look up thug in the dictionary. Im not your google search button.

And lastly, if you fail to understand the billions of assets and aid being given solely to the NTC, an unelected, unchosen representative of the entire Libyan nation, not being akin to hiring them as soldiers for NATO, then arguing with you is futile, and I will entertain you no more.

 

[routan]

Says the guy copy / pasting the same answer. 😀

Would you like me to repeat the same answer over and over with different words to satisfy the non-copy /paste requirement you have suddenly come up with?

 

[routan]

No. It was a post whose purpose was to show my contempt for the Islamic world and its inability to do pretty much anything genuinely worthwhile on the world stage.

Reported.

Your hatred for Islam and the Muslims is apparent and you go on to show how proud you are of it. You are an Islamophobe.

It is sad that the moderators on this forum have a similar view point. Any such hatred displayed towards any other community or people gets outright bans.

 

[routan]

No, just general BS provided, no factual basis for the conclusion.

Yes, NATO got involved when Gaddafi started using his military to put down the protesters.


You seem to have a difficult time understanding that someone is going to be in control of that country. Gaddafi is out, some other group is in. Hopefully, it will be the people who get to decide, but that remains to be seen. The NTC removed the tyrant and now controls the the assets. Are you really that naive about the realities of the world?

You keep changing your tune. First you Gaddafi might have used his military might against civilians. Now you are saying Gaddafi did start using his military to put down the protestors. Get your facts straights before saying anything anymore. Idiot.

 

[Fern]

You've constructed a dialog and narrative that has little factual basis beyond the point that NATO was clearly interested in toppling Gaddafi's regime. Those so-called thugs have gone to great lengths to prevent reprisals against Gaddafi loyalists and have fought a fairly clean campaign against Gaddafi's military. There aren't many reports of looting, rape, or pillaging from the rebel side.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44270675/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/#.TlanBF3GAoM

More than 30 men believed to be fighters loyal to Moammar Gadhafi have been found killed at a military encampment in central Tripoli and at least two were bound with plastic handcuffs, indicating they had been executed.

Elsewhere in the city, a British medical worker said a hospital had received the bodies of 17 civilians believed to have been executed in recent days by government forces.

"Yesterday a truck arrived at the hospital with 17 dead bodies," Kirsty Campbell of the International Medical Corps told Reuters at Mitiga hospital.

"These guys were rounded up 10 days ago. They were found in Bab al-Aziziya when the guys (rebel fighters) went in. These guys were shot in an execution there," she said.

The wounds were not battlefield injuries, she said.

U.N. human rights spokesman Rupert Colville said the allegations of summary executions were alarming.

This isn't the 1st of such reports either. A few days ago someone posted a link to an article mentioning villages of tribal members known/thought to be supportive of Khaddafi had been looted and destroyed. The people were all missing, no one knows what became of them.

Fern

 

[routan]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44270675/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/#.TlanBF3GAoM



This isn't the 1st of such reports either. A few days ago someone posted a link to an article mentioning villages of tribal members known/thought to be supportive of Khaddafi had been looted and destroyed. The people were all missing, no one knows what became of them.

Fern

fuck you BeauJangles. Lets hear more of your bullshit and lies..

 

[werepossum]

Supplying weapons is neither proof that these people are thugs, nor is it proof that the rebellion was not genuine.



Then you probably should educate yourself on his regime and its policy towards Libyans, both at home and abroad. The US's support of Libya is something along the lines of their support for Pakistan -- the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Gaddafi was not a popular figure in Western circles.



I have no "perception of behavior." My opinion on the rebellion is that it was genuine. Once NATO saw that momentum of the Arab Spring could potentially carry this rebellion all the way to Tripoli, they pounced on the opportunity to back the rebels. Gaddafi has been an unpopular figure in the West, mostly for his ties to terrorism, but also because of his brutal regime. NATO took the rebellion as an opportunity to displace him and install another democratic government. Whether that last bit comes to fruition remains to be seen.

Your failure here is to provide one iota of evidence that these men are "thugs." You cannot even define what you mean by the word, though you can tell me specifically what it doesn't mean. I don't see any evidence that the men who started this rebellion were hired by NATO and you have yet to provide this information.

Agreed. I can see three possible scenarios here. First, Obama and NATO discover evidence that Gaddafi is not living up to his Bush conversion and is indeed still sponsoring terrorism. Second, NATO's European members decide that other Gaddafi activities tip the balance from tolerable to intolerable. Third, Obama and/or NATO decided that the rebels were likely going to succeed and thus we might as well be on the winning team. Any of those and perhaps a dozen others might be the reason we jumped in - most likely it was some combination of things. Bush-bashing aside, Presidents usually see numerous reasons pro and con on any particular proposal, and have to decide whether the former beats the latter based on whose projections they most trust. They are not cape-wearing cartoon villeins out to kill people to enrich their friends or allies, nor do they make these decisions lightly.

And Presidents deserve a fair amount of latitude to make these decisions, as especially in foreign policy they cannot lay out all their cards on the table. This is true to some degree in everything - a President may well have to bail out a bank because his advisers tell him that other banks are borderline insolvent and a major loss of trust will take them down too, knowing he'll have to take his political lumps for doing so - but it's always true in foreign policy. This is doubly true in the Middle East, where leaders may well be telling their own people something quite different from what they tell our leaders. And in this case, it is highly unlikely the result will be worse than Gaddafi, either for the West or for the Libyan people. At the very least they'll have a shot at a free democracy, and while it may be Sharia-based, any free democracy will eventually be what the people are willing to accept.

 

[Infohawk]

Reported.

Your hatred for Islam and the Muslims is apparent and you go on to show how proud you are of it. You are an Islamophobe.

If he's an islamophobe you are a scared of/hate the west and westerners. This thread is an example of it. You don't want your Muslim lands messed with by outsiders even though you are probably happy when tens of millions of Muslims live in the West.

It is sad that the moderators on this forum have a similar view point. Any such hatred displayed towards any other community or people gets outright bans.

Huh? Many of the moderators bent over backwards to defend and protect you and make you feel better. You aren't going to be happy until people aren't allowed to criticize Islam.

 

[Throckmorton]

It makes all of the sense in the world for the CIA to be playing a big role in pushing who rules Libya, and that the money goes into the 'right' friendly hands.

But what's actually happening is a mystery about that at this time. We just don't know who's doing what as far as I know.

Hopefully good journalists like Jeremy Scahill will find some info. Unfortunately, 5% of the American people seem like they'd bother to read it.

Right, because that's what we need... American leftists and Muslim extremists painting the leadership of the rebellion as pawns of the CIA. This is an entire nation's freedom and many many lives at stake here. Don't ever forget that. Every time you see Julian Assange's smiling face beaming light upon you, picture the brown people who would be subjected to hundreds of years of slavery if this rebellion fails just so you can masturbate over information that came with a dear price.

This isn't politics, it's life and death. I'm saying this as the only person on this forum who has experienced an Islamist coup.

 

[routan]

If he's an islamophobe you are a scared of/hate the west and westerners. This thread is an example of it. You don't want your Muslim lands messed with by outsiders even though you are probably happy when tens of millions of Muslims live in the West.



Huh? Many of the moderators bent over backwards to defend and protect you and make you feel better. You aren't going to be happy until people aren't allowed to criticize Islam.

You are the biggest moron i know. I am an American. I live here, pay tax and contribute to the uplift of the American way of life. I AM a Western.

However, that does not mean I cannot see blatant exploitation with blood of many innocents spilt so that a few in power can line their pockets. That is clearly not the ideals I learned of America.

Bullshit to your last statement. Heck, even a Jew recognizes the Islamophobia and hatred of Islam and Muslims in this forum.

 

[busydude]

erm. Egypt?
Also, please go ahead and read what I have written in previous posts. No need to just put a post forward to increase your post count

That is what I gathered from reading your previous posts. Most of your posts do not add anything really.

 

[Newbian]

That is what I gathered from reading your previous posts. Most of your posts do not add anything really.

Just another person to ignore for bad attempts at trolling as when he has nothing to back up his theory he proceeds to just start cussing out people.

 

[yllus]

Most of Libya seems rather happy about recent events, so with them on the one side and routan on the other side, I think we come out ahead. Can't please everyone, and in this case I doubt we even want to try to.

 

[bfdd]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14610722

A bunch of thugs armed by the weapons of France, Italy and Britain, has now "liberated" and "freed" Libya, and are paving the way to a "democratic" government.

Who chose the NTC as representatives of Libya? I dont remember any elections. But all the Libyan assets "frozen" are going to be handed to them? So they can give it back to France, UK and other NATO countries because they backed the "revolt"?

idiots screamed "NO BLOOD FOR OIL!" when Iraq was about to go down and that had pretty much nothing to do with oil, yet they stayed quiet this time around when it was blatantly obvious this was about oil. French were scared their oil supply from Libya would be disrupted over the rebellion so they wanted Sarkozy's buddy gone so they could establish control and take the resources they need.

lols and we helped them. fucking pathetic, keep voting in those D's folks because they're o so much different than the Rs.


btw again lols for me agreeing with routan here.

 

[Throckmorton]

idiots screamed "NO BLOOD FOR OIL!" when Iraq was about to go down and that had pretty much nothing to do with oil, yet they stayed quiet this time around when it was blatantly obvious this was about oil. French were scared their oil supply from Libya would be disrupted over the rebellion so they wanted Sarkozy's buddy gone so they could establish control and take the resources they need.

lols and we helped them. fucking pathetic, keep voting in those D's folks because they're o so much different than the Rs.


btw again lols for me agreeing with routan here.

God forbid we ever benefit from helping brown people achieve freedom

 

[bfdd]

God forbid we ever benefit from helping brown people achieve freedom

There's plenty of others I would rather have spent our money helping than the Islamists in Libya. Like our tiny cousin Liberia who is in a ton of shit. But that wouldn't work with your world view because I of course have to be a racist if I see things differently than you do. You're such a tool, I've posted countless articles proving my points on the Libya conflict and you just tell me I'm wrong and refute nothing. Pathetic.

 

[Infohawk]

You are the biggest moron i know. I am an American. I live here, pay tax and contribute to the uplift of the American way of life. I AM a Western.

However, that does not mean I cannot see blatant exploitation with blood of many innocents spilt so that a few in power can line their pockets. That is clearly not the ideals I learned of America.

Bullshit to your last statement. Heck, even a Jew recognizes the Islamophobia and hatred of Islam and Muslims in this forum.

Citizenship or residency is not enough to make you culturally western, which you are not.

Not many people think that he moderation here is perfect, but your complaints are ridiculous and especially obnoxious considering in your first posts on this forum moderators were prostrating before you trying to make you feel safe. What will make you happy? People are allowed to say they don't like Islam. Do you want them to be punished for not liking Islam or criticizing Islam?

 

[bfdd]

Citizenship or residency is not enough to make you culturally western, which you are not.

Not many people think that he moderation here is perfect, but your complaints are ridiculous and especially obnoxious considering in your first posts on this forum moderators were prostrating before you trying to make you feel safe. What will make you happy? People are allowed to say they don't like Islam. Do you want them to be punished for not liking Islam or criticizing Islam?

routan is a moron Islamist who doesn't realize the hypocritical stance he takes.


again i still find it weird i agree with him on this matter and so very few of you guys do. what he's saying is shit i've been saying for awhile nao.

 

[woolfe9999]

Reported.

Your hatred for Islam and the Muslims is apparent and you go on to show how proud you are of it. You are an Islamophobe.

It is sad that the moderators on this forum have a similar view point. Any such hatred displayed towards any other community or people gets outright bans.

There's some Islamophobia on this discussion board. It is false that the mods do nothing about it. The mods only rarely intervene for any reason, but this ban occurred just a few days ago:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2186330&highlight=

The question isn't whether it is Islamophobia, anti-semitism, or anything else. It's when certain lines of decorum are crossed.

 

[busydude]

It's when certain lines of decorum are crossed.

Routan does not understand that.. he is extremely good at flashing the victim card at every opportunity.. just like everyone else who lives in denial. He does not even take the time to corroborate his so called facts.

 

[Throckmorton]

There's plenty of others I would rather have spent our money helping than the Islamists in Libya. Like our tiny cousin Liberia who is in a ton of shit. But that wouldn't work with your world view because I of course have to be a racist if I see things differently than you do. You're such a tool, I've posted countless articles proving my points on the Libya conflict and you just tell me I'm wrong and refute nothing. Pathetic.

You haven't posted articles backing up your claims. You've posted articles making the same speculative claims.


Good job falling back on the conservative "you called me a racist" card.

 

[Throckmorton]

Very interesting how conservatives are turning into the far left idiots they hate. Suddenly it's blame America first, complain about every damn thing we do. Imperialism this, blood for oil that.

What a bunch of Jane Fonda jackasses.

 

[PokerGuy]

You keep changing your tune. First you Gaddafi might have used his military might against civilians. Now you are saying Gaddafi did start using his military to put down the protestors. Get your facts straights before saying anything anymore. Idiot.

Hey moron, protesters are civilians. You're the one making stupid claims, then getting mad when people point out that you have absolutely nothing to back up your idiotic claims. You are the prime example of the point Kadarin made earlier 😛