Another columnist paid by Bush administration

aidanjm

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I don't think this has been mentioned here yet. This is the 4th so far, I think.


3rd columnist paid by HHS to tout policy

WASHINGTON ? The Department of Health and Human Services yesterday said that a third conservative columnist was paid to promote a Bush administration policy.

Mike McManus, whose column appears in about 50 newspapers, received $10,000 to train marriage counselors as part of the agency's initiative promoting marriage, said Wade Horn, assistant secretary for children and families.

The disclosure, first reported by USA Today, came as the Government Accountability Office sent a letter to the Education Department yesterday asking for all materials related to its contract dealings with Armstrong Williams, a prominent media commentator who produced ads that promoted President Bush's No Child Left Behind law. The contract also committed Williams, who is black, to provide media access for former Education Secretary Rod Paige and to persuade other black journalists to talk about the law.

Federal law bans the use of public money on propaganda.

McManus was hired by the Lewin Group, which had an HHS contract to support community-based programs. He has written supportively about the HHS marriage initiative in many columns since the consulting work began in January 2003. He declined comment.

Bush this week ordered Cabinet secretaries not to hire columnists to promote administration agendas. The declaration was prompted by reports that Williams and columnist Maggie Gallagher had been paid by the administration, the latter to create materials promoting the marriage initiative.

All three columnists failed to disclose to their readers their relationships with the administration.

 

Tommunist

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hey <insert insulting liberal reference here>! <insert past president> did this exact same thing when <insert situation that wasn't really the same here>!! and since they did <insert situation that wasn't really the same here> we should completely overlook this use of taxpayers money to fund the bush propoganda machine!!! stupid <insert insulting liberal reference here>!!!
 

Martin

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Originally posted by: Tommunist
hey america-hating hippie morAn! Clinton did this exact same thing when Lewisnsky gave him head!! and since he did the same thing we should completely overlook this use of taxpayers money to fund the bush propoganda machine!!! stupid racoon-hugging athiest!!!!

Hey, that really does work ;)
 

Dissipate

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Forget about Bush payoffs, look at the massive indoctrination taking place in the public schools.
 

PatboyX

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Forget about Bush payoffs, look at the massive indoctrination taking place in the public schools.

now...are we talking the indoctrination of secular-leftist-god-hating or the indoctrination of america-hating-gay-tolerance?
 

ciba

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Mike McManus, whose column appears in about 50 newspapers, received $10,000 to train marriage counselors as part of the agency's initiative promoting marriage, said Wade Horn, assistant secretary for children and families.

Assuming the article is accurate, what is wrong with this? You never even allege he was paid to promote propaganda, just that he got paid to do something in addition to his column.

Either the article is accurate and this is no big deal, or it's not, and I question any assumptions you infer from it.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: ciba
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Mike McManus, whose column appears in about 50 newspapers, received $10,000 to train marriage counselors as part of the agency's initiative promoting marriage, said Wade Horn, assistant secretary for children and families.

Assuming the article is accurate, what is wrong with this? You never even allege he was paid to promote propaganda, just that he got paid to do something in addition to his column.

Either the article is accurate and this is no big deal, or it's not, and I question any assumptions you infer from it.

Again, PUBLIC MONEY used for progranda against its own people. THAT'S the problem.
 

ciba

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: ciba
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Mike McManus, whose column appears in about 50 newspapers, received $10,000 to train marriage counselors as part of the agency's initiative promoting marriage, said Wade Horn, assistant secretary for children and families.

Assuming the article is accurate, what is wrong with this? You never even allege he was paid to promote propaganda, just that he got paid to do something in addition to his column.

Either the article is accurate and this is no big deal, or it's not, and I question any assumptions you infer from it.

Again, PUBLIC MONEY used for progranda against its own people. THAT'S the problem.

Mike McManus, whose column appears in about 50 newspapers, received $10,000 to train marriage counselors as part of the agency's initiative promoting marriage, said Wade Horn, assistant secretary for children and families.

Read the bolded quote again. The point of the article was discussing Mike McManus, not to rehash old news. I don't see where McManus is being paid to generate propaganda. Unless you can explain how the sentence above states that, I will assume it doesn't.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: ciba
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: ciba
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Mike McManus, whose column appears in about 50 newspapers, received $10,000 to train marriage counselors as part of the agency's initiative promoting marriage, said Wade Horn, assistant secretary for children and families.

Assuming the article is accurate, what is wrong with this? You never even allege he was paid to promote propaganda, just that he got paid to do something in addition to his column.

Either the article is accurate and this is no big deal, or it's not, and I question any assumptions you infer from it.

Again, PUBLIC MONEY used for progranda against its own people. THAT'S the problem.

Mike McManus, whose column appears in about 50 newspapers, received $10,000 to train marriage counselors as part of the agency's initiative promoting marriage, said Wade Horn, assistant secretary for children and families.

Read the bolded quote again. The point of the article was discussing Mike McManus, not to rehash old news. I don't see where McManus is being paid to generate propaganda. Unless you can explain how the sentence above states that, I will assume it doesn't.

The $10,000 was from the Department of Health and Human Services.
 

ciba

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: ciba
The $10,000 was from the Department of Health and Human Services.

I'll concede that point for the purpose of this discussion (even though it came from the Lewin Group). How does the article say it was compensation for propaganda?

Hint:

received $10,000 to train marriage counselors as part of the agency's initiative promoting marriage

At best you can argue he isn't qualified to do such training, so this was a waste of taxpayer money.
 

conjur

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McManus was hired by the Lewin Group, which had an HHS contract to support community-based programs. He has written supportively about the HHS marriage initiative in many columns since the consulting work began in January 2003
Speaks volumes, imo.
 

ciba

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Conjur, have you stopped beating your wife?

You see, that statement is meaningless unless you can give us a reference as to what he thought about HHS prior to January 2003.

edit: For those that don't know, the first sentence of this post is the typical example given for this type of intellecual dishonesty.

Conjur: Since you didn't pick up on it, I was merely illustrating that by asking the question, I make an assumption about prior conditions. The quote you posted does the same thing. This was in no way meant as an attack on you, but to show that your argument isn't supported.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: ciba
Conjur, have you stopped beating your wife?

You see, that statement is meaningless unless you can give us a reference as to what he thought about HHS prior to January 2003.
Beautiful. I hope you get your vacation for that one. Others certainly have in the past.
 

conjur

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Hmmm...


Dear Diane,
In the story about Delray Beach considering a Community Marriage Policy,
http://listarchives.his.com/sm...ges.0312/msg00001.html
someone told the reporter that there are only four divorces in Florida for
every 5 in the United States. I'm sorry to say that is in error. According
to 2001 data, Florida's divorce rate is 5.4 divorces per 1,000 people
compared to a U.S. figure of 4/1,000. That's 35% HIGHER than the U.S. rate.

However, we are pleased to be working with the clergy of that city to create
Florida's 9th Community Marriage Policy. As an upcoming report from the
Institute for Research and Evaluation will document, Marriage Savers has
helped houses of worship push down the divorce rate of more than 100 cities
to date, seven of which are down 48% or more.

Mike McManus, President
Marriage Savers
301 469-5873
marriagesavers.org
 

conjur

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Even Michelle Malkin is ripping into McManus. ;)

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/001355.htm
Salon, not exactly my favorite publication, is now reporting that there's a third conservative columnist who took money from the Bush administration without disclosing it. From Eric Boehlert:

And three makes a trend.

One day after President Bush ordered his Cabinet secretaries to stop hiring commentators to help promote administration initiatives, and one day after the second high-profile conservative pundit was found to be on the federal payroll, a third embarrassing hire has emerged. Salon has confirmed that Michael McManus, a marriage advocate whose syndicated column, "Ethics & Religion," appears in 50 newspapers, was hired as a subcontractor by the Department of Health and Human Services to foster a Bush-approved marriage initiative. McManus championed the plan in his columns without disclosing to readers he was being paid to help it succeed....
Triple-crikey. I wonder if McManus will say he "forgot" about the $10,000 payment, too. That line seems to be working pretty well now among some of my fellow conservatives. I'll have more to say about all this in the morning, but for now, let me just say that if I accepted $10,000 or $20,000 or $40,000 in taxpayer funds for my writing, I wouldn't forget it in one year or 5 years or 10 years. And I'd make damn sure I disclosed it in relevant columns, books, or media appearances, even if it invited condescension from the "don't be such a holier-than-thou-goody-two-shoes-must-you-disclose-everything?" crowd.
:laugh:
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: ciba
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Mike McManus, whose column appears in about 50 newspapers, received $10,000 to train marriage counselors as part of the agency's initiative promoting marriage, said Wade Horn, assistant secretary for children and families.

Assuming the article is accurate, what is wrong with this? You never even allege he was paid to promote propaganda, just that he got paid to do something in addition to his column.

Either the article is accurate and this is no big deal, or it's not, and I question any assumptions you infer from it.

I haven't offered any commentary, so God knows what you think my assumptions are.

It is a problem this guy did not disclose his financial involvement with the Bush administration. He is a journalist, he has an ethical responsibility to disclose.
 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: PatboyX
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Forget about Bush payoffs, look at the massive indoctrination taking place in the public schools.

now...are we talking the indoctrination of secular-leftist-god-hating or the indoctrination of america-hating-gay-tolerance?

The indoctrination of democracy as an ideal. This is nothing more than the government pimping its own system.