another chemical plant explosion in TEXAS, why am I not surprised?

[CZroe]

That's just your emotions talking. Texas has long had an issue with lax regulation and enforcement of regulations of the petrochemical industry.

The Houston Area Has Had Two Chemical Plant Fires in Two Weeks. Why Do They Keep Happening?

Frequent chemical fires in the Houston area signal larger deficiencies in oversight of the chemical industry at both the state and federal levels.

psmag.com

Why would I be emotional about it? People are openly accepting ONE particular assumption and use it to criticize lax regulation and free markets before any link to regulations has been shown. Anyone who points it out by using a similarly flawed logical assumption to point out the previous assumption gets the responses you see above. Clear case of the pot calling the kettle black on both sides, though one was clearly deliberate in order to make a point about the other.

 

[brycejones]

Why would I be emotional about it? People are openly accepting ONE particular assumption and use it to criticize lax regulation and free markets before any link to regulations has been shown. Anyone who points it out by using a similarly flawed logical assumption to point out the previous assumption gets the responses you see above. Clear case of the pot calling the kettle black on both sides, though one was clearly deliberate in order to make a point about the other.

I don't know why you're emotional about it, but you seem to be. You have to ask your self that question.

 

[CZroe]

I don't know why you're emotional about it, but you seem to be. You have to ask your self that question.

It's imagined to justify another dismissive post without addressing what was said. Clearly.

Ask yourself why you replied at all.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Do you see people implying the free market and lack of regulations must be to blame simply because they aren't being regulated to the max?

He sure does. Calling out his nonsense argument only points back to the original nonsense argument it was crafted in response to, and I don't see you calling those out.

Regulation in Texas *is* lax, both in actual regulation and enforcement at both the federal and state level.

Some articles:

Probe of Texas fertilizer plant blast finds industry under lax regulation

Federal agency investigating deadly explosion at Texas plant to tell senators industry falls under "patchwork" of weak standards

www.cbsnews.com

Regulation of chemical industry haphazard, toothless

WASHINGTON - Eighteen years after a domestic terrorist murdered 168 people in Oklahoma...

www.houstonchronicle.com

Chemical Depots Fall Under a Patchwork of Rules (Published 2013)

There are over 110 facilities statewide that store at least 10,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate, the source of an explosion at a fertilizer plant that killed at least 14 people.

www.nytimes.com

We can't be sure what chemicals are in the Texas plant that exploded

Plants in Texas aren’t required to tell the public what chemicals they work with.

www.vice.com

 

[CZroe]

Regulation in Texas *is* lax, both in actual regulation and enforcement at both the federal and state level.

Some articles:

Probe of Texas fertilizer plant blast finds industry under lax regulation

Federal agency investigating deadly explosion at Texas plant to tell senators industry falls under "patchwork" of weak standards

www.cbsnews.com

Regulation of chemical industry haphazard, toothless

WASHINGTON - Eighteen years after a domestic terrorist murdered 168 people in Oklahoma...

www.houstonchronicle.com

Chemical Depots Fall Under a Patchwork of Rules (Published 2013)

There are over 110 facilities statewide that store at least 10,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate, the source of an explosion at a fertilizer plant that killed at least 14 people.

www.nytimes.com

We can't be sure what chemicals are in the Texas plant that exploded

Plants in Texas aren’t required to tell the public what chemicals they work with.

www.vice.com

*woosh*

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Remember the West fertilizer explosion?
Regulations were changed after that

West Fertilizer Company explosion - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Did you... uhh... did you happened to read anything?

How about this ONE TINY PARTICULAR GEM.

The ATF announced on May 11, 2016, that the fire that led to the explosion was intentionally set.

Man - if only we had regulations that could prevent people from starting fires... like... vandalism laws that will criminalize it? I mean just pass that law and these things won't happen! It's that simple!

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Do you see people implying the free market and lack of regulations must be to blame simply because they aren't being regulated to the max?

He sure does. Calling out his nonsense argument only points back to the original nonsense argument it was crafted in response to, and I don't see you calling those out.

If only the government ran things instead of free market with regulations, none of this would happen.

 

[dawp]

Did you... uhh... did you happened to read anything?

How about this ONE TINY PARTICULAR GEM.



Man - if only we had regulations that could prevent people from starting fires... like... vandalism laws that will criminalize it? I mean just pass that law and these things won't happen! It's that simple!

if they had tighter regs at the time of the explosion maybe it would have been harder to start the fire to begin with.

 

[CZroe]

Yes I'm sure regulations will stop all accidents.

if they had tighter regs at the time of the explosion maybe it would have been harder to start the fire to begin with.

Exactly. "Maybe."

The problem is that the criticisms he responded to presumed "absolutely" instead of "maybe" or else they were complete non sequiturs. That's why he responded with their underlying premise, exposing that presumption.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Thanks Texas.

 

[WelshBloke]

Did you... uhh... did you happened to read anything?

How about this ONE TINY PARTICULAR GEM.



Man - if only we had regulations that could prevent people from starting fires... like... vandalism laws that will criminalize it? I mean just pass that law and these things won't happen! It's that simple!

We have a bunch of regulations at my work to lessen the danger of accidental and deliberate fires.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

We have a bunch of regulations at my work to lessen the danger of accidental and deliberate fires.

My mom (now retired) was a chemical engineer that had to go to oil and gas refineries and terminals to audit for all kinds of regulations and filing requirements.

If you think there is a lack of regulations, you're just clearly ill-informed and I guarantee have never step foot in these types of jobs.

 

[WelshBloke]

My mom (now retired) was a chemical engineer that had to go to oil and gas refineries and terminals to audit for all kinds of regulations and filing requirements.

If you think there is a lack of regulations, you're just clearly ill-informed and I guarantee have never step foot in these types of jobs.

In again confused by your lack of clarity on what you are actually arguing in this thread.
There are too many regulations? Regulations dont work? We need more regulations?

 

[senseamp]

I bet none of the executives live within 20 miles of their own plant, completely coincidentally.

 

[Greenman]

Yes I'm sure regulations will stop all accidents.

That's actually the case with CALOSHA. Their position is that whenever someone is injured on the job it's because regulations weren't being followed.

 

[JEDIYoda]

That's actually the case with CALOSHA. Their position is that whenever someone is injured on the job it's because regulations weren't being followed.

Irregardless of if they are right or wrong.....

 

[Greenman]

Irregardless of if they are right or wrong.....

It is what it is. They could very well be correct in their thinking.

 

[JEDIYoda]

It is what it is. They could very well be correct in their thinking.

Exactly! But it doesn`t make them right....it is what it is,,,right or wrong...

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I bet none of the executives live within 20 miles of their own plant, completely coincidentally.

They should be required to.

Just like slumlords should be required to live in buildings they own.