Another awkward Romney video

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Didn't seem that awkward other than him giving an answer the guy didn't want to hear. I am surprised he actually managed to take a position on the issue and stick with it for that long.
 

thraashman

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Didn't seem that awkward other than him giving an answer the guy didn't want to hear. I am surprised he actually managed to take a position on the issue and stick with it for that long.

I'm kinda surprised that the man asking the question managed to stay so cordial in that situation. It's not easy to have a man look you in the eyes and tell you he doesn't think your spouse deserves the same benefits the spouses of any other military vet.
 

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I'm kinda surprised that the man asking the question managed to stay so cordial in that situation. It's not easy to have a man look you in the eyes and tell you he doesn't think your spouse deserves the same benefits the spouses of any other military vet.

That old guy has probably seen a lot worse than Romney telling him that.
 
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I actually thought Romney came off fine in that video. I don't agree with his position but he didn't back down from it, nor did he express it in a disrespectful way.
 

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A good video for a couple of reasons.

The vet has a point, if gay marriage is to be the norm then his "spouse" should get equivalent benefits. That it is not, and that gay "marriage" has been rejected by not only the federal government but the great majority of states, is the reality.

Despite the lefties here crooning otherwise, Romney has clearly defined positions and this guy has one that is the opposite. If they disagree, and this is the only thing the vet cares about, then he should not vote for him.

He falls into the category of a single interest voter. He doesn't care about the economy, national debt, foreign policy, none of it. I doubt he would be satisfied with Obama's position either, even with the pandering that has come from the White House on this issue lately. Will he get the chance to pose the question to Obama, ever? I think he would be very surprised to hear what Obama thinks. Or maybe not.

Few people posting here get a chance to actually sit with a Presidential candidate. Romney, in this case, comes off very well. He engages people he doesn't know, it is not scripted, he listens attentively and responds honestly and acknowledges that the guy doesn't agree with him. He doesn't pander.

I find that too many posters like the OP are not seeing clearly in their partisan fervor. Both sides have their fanboiz and they wind up being silly when they project their prejudices so clearly.

The thing with guys like Romney and Ryan is that they are thinking voters choices. Unless you are a finance guy, you may not be struck by a Chrissie Matthews leg tingle, but the more you hear them out the more sense they make.

Want a rock star as President, vote for one and live with the insanity.

Vote for Romney/Ryan and you will be voting for the adults in the room.
 
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A good video for a couple of reasons.

The vet has a point, if gay marriage is to be the norm then his "spouse" should get equivalent benefits. That it is not, and that gay "marriage" has been rejected by not only the federal government but the great majority of states, is the reality.

Despite the lefties here crooning otherwise, Romney has clearly defined positions and this guy has one that is the opposite. If they disagree, and this is the only thing the vet cares about, then he should not vote for him.

He falls into the category of a single interest voter. He doesn't care about the economy, national debt, foreign policy, none of it. I doubt he would be satisfied with Obama's position either, even with the pandering that has come from the White House on this issue lately. Will he get the chance to pose the question to Obama, ever? I think he would be very surprised to hear what Obama thinks. Or maybe not.

Few people posting here get a chance to actually sit with a Presidential candidate. Romney, in this case, comes off very well. He engages people he doesn't know, it is not scripted, he listens attentively and responds honestly and acknowledges that the guy doesn't agree with him. He doesn't pander.

I find that too many posters like the OP are not seeing clearly in their partisan fervor. Both sides have their fanboiz and they wind up being silly when they project their prejudices so clearly.

The thing with guys like Romney and Ryan is that they are thinking voters choices. Unless you are a finance guy, you may not be struck by a Chrissie Matthews leg tingle, but the more you hear them out the more sense they make.

Want a rock star as President, vote for one and live with the insanity.

Vote for Romney/Ryan and you will be voting for the adults in the room.

What this post glosses over is the fact that while Romney has clearly defined positions on some issues (his "position" on a plan to fix the economy is as clear as mud, as are his positions on a number of other issues), he has held directly contradictory, or at least materially inconsistent, positions on any number of issues, to the point that it is literally not clear where he stands, despite his presently having a "clearly defined position." Your claim that Romney does not "pander," just because he did not in this particular instance, is laughable in light of his record of pandering on a wide array of important issues, over the duration of his political career.

To pick just two obvious examples, Romney has made the repeal of Obamacare or any nationalized universal health care plan a key plank in his platform, whereas just four years ago he supported exactly this (i.e., expanding Romneycare into a national program). Romney was consistently pro-choice as governor of Massachusetts but is now purportedly passionately pro-life. The upshot of all of this is that there is literally no way for voters to tell how he would govern on a number of issues of significant public importance. This is the opposite of reassuring.

My own feeling is that Romney is not a bad guy, and is essentially a centrist, but his rhetoric over the past four years has been that of a firebreathing conservative. Which is true? I don't know. Are we supposed to flip a coin to tell? He is, I think, the most comprehensively politically whorish politician to receive a party's nomination in my lifetime. I don't really dislike him, and I respect his intelligence, but he does not have the courage of his convictions, and he is the epitome of a pandering politician. It would thus appear that you, like the people you criticize, are not seeing clearly in your own "partisan fervor," and thus failing to recognize his shameless pandering.

I object to your portrayal of this gay Vietnam veteran as a "one-issue voter," when you have no way of knowing what his politics are or who he might vote for, much less any basis for claiming he doesn't care about other important issues. He is nothing but gracious to Governor Romney and doesn't deserve to implicitly be called a simpleton in your anti-Obama screed, merely for having the temerity to disagree with you and Governor Romney.
 
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PJABBER

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What this post glosses over is the fact that while Romney has clearly defined positions on some issues (his "position" on a plan to fix the economy is as clear as mud, as are his positions on a number of other issues), he has held directly contradictory, or at least materially inconsistent, positions on any number of issues, to the point that it is literally not clear where he stands, despite his presently having a "clearly defined position."

Please identify the political candidate at the national level that you believe matches the standard you seek to apply to Romney/Ryan. And identify why you would support them.

To pick just two obvious examples, Romney has made the repeal of Obamacare or any nationalized universal health care plan a key plank in his platform, whereas just four years ago he supported exactly this thing. He was consistently pro-choice as governor of Massachusetts but is now purportedly passionately pro-life.

You do understand that a personal belief is not the same as upholding the law of the land?

You do understand that politicians should act both as representatives of the people as well as individually responsible managers of the public trust?

You do know that very few powers are constitutionally granted to the federal government, don't you? Most power actually is reserved to the states and they are the crucibles for governmental experimentation. What works for a state will most often not be a vested power of the federal government.

Mass is a very liberal state and as Governor Romney worked with the legislative branch with sufficient cooperation to get quite a few things done. He was able to effectively achieve compromise, which means he did not get everything he might have wanted and neither did the Democrat legislature. This, by the way, is something that Obama has failed at abysmally - ALL of his signature legislative programs were passed only with Democrat votes.

The upshot of all of this is that there is literally no way for voters to tell how he would govern on a number of issues of significant public importance. This is the opposite of reassuring.

Why should this bother you? Some issues are clearly on the agenda - economic vitality, defense, taxation, national debt - and Romney/Ryan have telegraphed their intent very clearly.

History, on the other hand, shows that the next President is going to encounter black swan events and muddled circumstance. Romney has demonstrated an extraordinary ability to deliver great results when faced with those. He has had an extraordinary background that has seasoned him. He can hit the ground running, unlike an amateur like Obama, that of necessity has had to rely almost completely on the much more experienced Congressional Democrat leadership and the questionable advice of people like Valerie Jarrett.

My own feeling is that Romney is not a bad guy, and is essentially a centrist, but his rhetoric over the past four years has been that of a firebreathing conservative. Which is true? I don't know. Are we supposed to flip a coin to tell?

Now you are wearing your partisan hat again. Romney is a great guy with some of the best preparation for the modern Presidency of any of his predecessors. He is also a practical guy and not an ideologue, so your accusations are moronic.

He is, I think, the most comprehensively politically whorish politician to receive a party's nomination in my lifetime.

That is really selective outrage. Care to describe the relationships that Goldman Sachs has with Obama?

I don't really dislike him, and I respect his intelligence, but he does not have the courage of his convictions, and he is the epitome of a pandering politician. It would appear that you, like the people you criticize, are not seeing clearly in your own "partisan fervor."

You will never see any different if you first look at the example video of this thread and then claim that he "panders."

I object to your portrayal of this gay Vietnam veteran as a "one-issue voter," when you have no way of knowing what his politics are or who he might vote for, much less any basis for claiming he doesn't care about other important issues. He is nothing but gracious to Governor Romney and doesn't deserve to implicitly be called a simpleton in your anti-Obama screed, merely for having the temerity to disagree with you and Governor Romney.

I watched the video in the entirety, did you? I did not define him, he did himself. He was questioned if this single opinion that Romney has, which is the same opinion that Obama had until he started pandering to win another election, would affect his vote. He said yes. He did not equivocate, so why are you doing so? :awe:
 
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I did not say the video was pandering - I said the direct opposite.

Your claims that Romney is forthright and honest as a candidate are just facially absurd - he has been all over the map, as you know full well, despite your pedantic fulmination to the contrary. Romney did not just state that he thought Romneycare would be good as a national program, he specifically proposed implementing it nationally - http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2012/08/viral-video-mitt-romney-says-romneycare_9405.html, in direct contrast to his current position. Similarly, Romney has not just stated he is pro-life, he has specifically advanced the idea of a nationwide ban on abortion through a constitutional amendment - http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/Governor/Massachusetts/Mitt_Romney/Views/Abortion/ - in direct contrast to his previously pro-choice position.

I did watch the entire video. This veteran saying that an issue like this would affect his vote (which surely any gay, married person would agree with) is not the same as saying, as you did, that he "doesn't care about the economy, national debt, foreign policy, none of it." You have shown totally unwarranted scorn toward this veteran for no legitimate reason. Please feel free to show where you have ever defended President Obama.

If you seriously believe that Mitt Romney has "some of the best preparation for the modern Presidency of any of his predecessors" because he served one term as Governor of a small state, and made a lot of money in business, I very much doubt that you and I will ever have much common ground on any political matter. I hope you can at least agree, in any case, that your partisan fervor is at least as great as my own - I will close by pointing out to you that my first post in this thread was one defending Romney.
 
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PJABBER

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I did watch the entire video. This veteran saying that an issue like this would affect his vote (which surely any gay, married person would agree with) is not the same as saying, as you did, that he "doesn't care about the economy, national debt, foreign policy, none of it." You have shown totally unwarranted scorn toward this veteran for no legitimate reason.

I have shown no scorn and I actually sympathize with his position. Your inability to comprehend this reflects badly upon you.

If you seriously believe that Mitt Romney has "some of the best preparation for the modern Presidency of any of his predecessors" because he served one term as Governor of a small state, and made a lot of money in business, I very much doubt that you and I will ever have much common ground on any political matter.

You are right that if you do not value Romney's business acumen and experience and that you also minimize the executive experience and results of a term as Governor of Massachusetts and as the chief executive in turning around a failing Olympic Games, that you and I will not agree on what is relevant and valuable experience for a Presidential candidate.

A quick question - did you support Obama in his Presidential bid four years ago? If so, what specific experience did Obama have that led you to support his candidacy?

I hope you can at least agree, in any case, that your partisan fervor is at least as great as my own - I will close by pointing out to you that my first post in this thread was one defending Romney.

I admit that I am strongly opinionated and I can accept that you are as well. I am not sure where your personal loyalties lay but I tend to like certain individuals and certain causes, don't really care about Party affiliations.

In the last few years I have found myself sympathetic to Tea Party and libertarian concerns and, unrelated to that, I tend to be especially empathetic to issues of interest to the military community, ie this guy's complaint that he can't get spousal benefits.

FWIW, the political party closest to my own beliefs is the Modern Whig Party. But, I am not a member. :awe:
 

jackstar7

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I enjoyed Mitt saying he's going to need good luck.

Glad that vet got to ask his question and that we have video of the event and not various media outlets telling us versions of what happened.
 

PJABBER

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I'm ex-Army, Airborne, Ranger, Infantry, and when I get together with ex-military buddies the conversations have never been about marrying guys. We will talk about women as infantrymen, though.

In fact, as I spend a lot of my time in Annapolis where there are a lot of active service and retired Navy and Marine Corps, the conversations tend to go pretty much like this -

The Damn Few

Yeah, we delve deep. :awe:

If Romney or Obama ever sat down with us we would be hammering them with questions about sequestration, not gay marriage -

White House Misses Sequestration Detail Deadline
 

jackstar7

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I'm ex-Army, Airborne, Ranger, Infantry, and when I get together with ex-military buddies the conversations have never been about marrying guys. We will talk about women as infantrymen, though.

In fact, as I spend a lot of my time in Annapolis where there are a lot of active service and retired Navy and Marine Corps, the conversations tend to go pretty much like this -

The Damn Few

Yeah, we delve deep. :awe:

If Romney or Obama ever sat down with us we would be hammering them with questions about sequestration, not gay marriage -

White House Misses Sequestration Detail Deadline

And?

This guy took his moment to ask a question important to him.

Sounds like you find an opportunity to ask your question of the President and see what kind of answer you get.
 

PJABBER

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And?

This guy took his moment to ask a question important to him.

Sounds like you find an opportunity to ask your question of the President and see what kind of answer you get.

:hmm: I think he would brush me off.

But maybe I could get him to buy a round of drinks.

:awe:
 

PJABBER

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What leads you to that thought?

Maybe the Romney/Ryan button I sporting?

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jackstar7

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Wouldn't it behoove the President to talk to you and demonstrate he's the president of all Americans and not just the ones that agree with him?
 

Thump553

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A good video for a couple of reasons.

The vet has a point, if gay marriage is to be the norm then his "spouse" should get equivalent benefits. That it is not, and that gay "marriage" has been rejected by not only the federal government but the great majority of states, is the reality.

Despite the lefties here crooning otherwise, Romney has clearly defined positions and this guy has one that is the opposite. If they disagree, and this is the only thing the vet cares about, then he should not vote for him.

He falls into the category of a single interest voter. He doesn't care about the economy, national debt, foreign policy, none of it. I doubt he would be satisfied with Obama's position either, even with the pandering that has come from the White House on this issue lately. Will he get the chance to pose the question to Obama, ever? I think he would be very surprised to hear what Obama thinks. Or maybe not.

Few people posting here get a chance to actually sit with a Presidential candidate. Romney, in this case, comes off very well. He engages people he doesn't know, it is not scripted, he listens attentively and responds honestly and acknowledges that the guy doesn't agree with him. He doesn't pander.

I find that too many posters like the OP are not seeing clearly in their partisan fervor. Both sides have their fanboiz and they wind up being silly when they project their prejudices so clearly.

The thing with guys like Romney and Ryan is that they are thinking voters choices. Unless you are a finance guy, you may not be struck by a Chrissie Matthews leg tingle, but the more you hear them out the more sense they make.

Want a rock star as President, vote for one and live with the insanity.

Vote for Romney/Ryan and you will be voting for the adults in the room.

You had me going until the bolded sentence, then I realized your post was satire-maybe unintended, but satire nonetheless.
 
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Does he actually have a video where he isnt awkward? That would probably be more interesting and rare to find.