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Another attempt at immigration sympathy ..

"There are known consequences for violating our nation's immigration laws. It's unfortunate that parents choose to place their children in these difficult situations."

That says it all. Blame the parents not the system.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
"There are known consequences for violating our nation's immigration laws. It's unfortunate that parents choose to place their children in these difficult situations."

That says it all. Blame the parents not the system.
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In general, placing blame on the parents in these kinds of situations does not change how it effects the lives of these kids. All it does is help people like you sleep at night while those innocent kids suffer for decisions that they had no control over. Ignoring that fact just to savor your tax dollars is pretty damn cold.
 
Kids suffer for decisions their parents make happens all the time - dad has a drinking problem and doesn't make the house payments so the whole family gets booted when the house is foreclosed on, etc, etc. Kids suffer parental consequences all the time so why is this any different?
 
Originally posted by: racolvin
Kids suffer for decisions their parents make happens all the time - dad has a drinking problem and doesn't make the house payments so the whole family gets booted when the house is foreclosed on, etc, etc. Kids suffer parental consequences all the time so why is this any different?
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Yes, and this country tries to protect those kids from those kinds of parental consequences as much as it can. Why should we treat this any different?
 
Life's not fair and innocent kids suffer for the decisions of their parents every day, everywhere. I just can't get all bothered about this, and to be honest, her life is in turmoil right now but I don't see her problems as that big or traumatic compared to the problems some children suffer. If her mother had stayed in Mexico instead of coming illegally to the States, then this girl would be there right now anyway and this wouldn't be an issue for her. Circumstances being what they are, her mother had to leave the US and if she wants to stay with her mother, then she needs to go to Mexico as well.

If she hates Mexico then the family needs to work something out, but that necessarily means being separated from the rest of her family. Sounds like they have worked something out, but you can't let women and men come illegally into a country and then just suspend all immigration rules because they had a child and the child may feel uprooted when finding it necessary to leave the country with the parents.

I think the country desperately needs immigration reform but allowing these kinds of concessions is not the appropriate kind of reform.
 
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: racolvin
Kids suffer for decisions their parents make happens all the time - dad has a drinking problem and doesn't make the house payments so the whole family gets booted when the house is foreclosed on, etc, etc. Kids suffer parental consequences all the time so why is this any different?
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Yes, and this country tries to protect those kids from those kinds of parental consequences as much as it can. Why should we treat this any different?
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She seems to have a roof over her head 😕

 
Originally posted by: jjones
Life's not fair and innocent kids suffer for the decisions of their parents every day, everywhere. I just can't get all bothered about this, and to be honest, her life is in turmoil right now but I don't see her problems as that big or traumatic compared to the problems some children suffer. If her mother had stayed in Mexico instead of coming illegally to the States, then this girl would be there right now anyway and this wouldn't be an issue for her. Circumstances being what they are, her mother had to leave the US and if she wants to stay with her mother, then she needs to go to Mexico as well.

If she hates Mexico then the family needs to work something out, but that necessarily means being separated from the rest of her family. Sounds like they have worked something out, but you can't let women and men come illegally into a country and then just suspend all immigration rules because they had a child and the child may feel uprooted when finding it necessary to leave the country with the parents.

I think the country desperately needs immigration reform but allowing these kinds of concessions is not the appropriate kind of reform.
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I agree that it needs a lot of reform, but until then we need to work with what we got and right now what we got is a bunch of American citizens being born from illegals on our soil. They are still Americans and we are obligated to treat them that way.

Beyond that, I do have to draw the line somewhere when it comes to my feelings about what is right/wrong vs my tax dollars. I do blame our crappy immigration system and policies for a lot of these problems, but this is just too cold hearted for me.
 
Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: racolvin
Kids suffer for decisions their parents make happens all the time - dad has a drinking problem and doesn't make the house payments so the whole family gets booted when the house is foreclosed on, etc, etc. Kids suffer parental consequences all the time so why is this any different?
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Yes, and this country tries to protect those kids from those kinds of parental consequences as much as it can. Why should we treat this any different?
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She seems to have a roof over her head 😕
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My first post states that I am speaking in general about this problem. A lot of people believe that we should just say "screw it" to the kids that get caught in the middle of our shitty immigration system and their parents that take these kinds of risks. I disagree with that way of thinking. Some things in this world are worth more than my tax dollars.
 
Perfectly good use for prison labor if ever I heard one. But then I never objected to them picking up litter and things on the highways either. For some reason states have decided that chain gangs are a terrible thing.
 
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: racolvin
Kids suffer for decisions their parents make happens all the time - dad has a drinking problem and doesn't make the house payments so the whole family gets booted when the house is foreclosed on, etc, etc. Kids suffer parental consequences all the time so why is this any different?
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Yes, and this country tries to protect those kids from those kinds of parental consequences as much as it can. Why should we treat this any different?
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And how do we protect those kids?? hmmmm

Oh yea!!! We take them away from their parents!
How is this any different?
 
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: racolvin
http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING...en.children/index.html

A sad story to be sure but on that I can't bring myself to be moved to tears over it. Personally I don't think the daughter should be a citizen either but that's just me ...
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CNN is pro-illegal immigration? Somebody better tell Lou Dobbs.
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I was shocked too but Lou doesn't control all the editorial directions at CNN 😉
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: racolvin
Kids suffer for decisions their parents make happens all the time - dad has a drinking problem and doesn't make the house payments so the whole family gets booted when the house is foreclosed on, etc, etc. Kids suffer parental consequences all the time so why is this any different?
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Yes, and this country tries to protect those kids from those kinds of parental consequences as much as it can. Why should we treat this any different?
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And how do we protect those kids?? hmmmm

Oh yea!!! We take them away from their parents!
How is this any different?
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That is not what we always do. It depends on the situation and how bad the parents are towards the kids. If necessary, that does happen. However, we do not toss them out of the country and on to the street of where their parents were born which is what a lot of people on these boards want when it comes to these kids.
 
Well on the flip side, Bill O was actually trying to "tell" Obama during his interview that the reason real wages haven't gone up during the Bush years is due to all of the illegals and their low paying jobs that are depressing the statistics.

I shit you not, part II when they are discussing the economy.

 
Originally posted by: Xavier434
That is not what we always do. It depends on the situation and how bad the parents are towards the kids. If necessary, that does happen. However, we do not toss them out of the country and on to the street of where their parents were born which is what a lot of people on these boards want when it comes to these kids.
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So we should take the kids of illegals away from their parents and put them in foster homes??

Can you imagine the outcry over THAT?

We have two choices and they both suck.
1. Send the kids back with their parents.
2. Take the children into state custody.
 
Originally posted by: ayabe
Well on the flip side, Bill O was actually trying to "tell" Obama during his interview that the reason real wages haven't gone up during the Bush years is due to all of the illegals and their low paying jobs that are depressing the statistics.

I shit you not, part II when they are discussing the economy.
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ummm that is the truth though.

If you look at wages you will see the top has gone up, but the bottom has stayed flat.

You would have to be a fool to not understand that having 20 million people who will work for cheap doesn't cause wage deflation.

Notice that every story about a big immigration raid at some plant is soon followed by a story about how said plant had to raise its wages afterwards.
 
The mother should be allowed to stay in the US. It should be the right of an American to be raised by your parents in this country.
 
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
The mother should be allowed to stay in the US. It should be the right of an American to be raised by your parents in this country.
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:thumbsup:

...and if the system we have in place now were not so incredibly fubar this problem would have never happened. She would have either been a legal citizen by now or she would have never been here in the first place.

Fix the system properly and these problems will be reduced tremendously. Until then, we are going to have to pay for our negligence.
 
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
The mother should be allowed to stay in the US. It should be the right of an American to be raised by your parents in this country.
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What a dumb ass idea.

Second you do that every illegal in the country will get pregnant so they can stay here.
Or they will claim that their 10 year old kid was born in the US even thought they have only been in the country 3 years. "Well he grew fast"
 
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