another attack in pakistan on christians

[rbhawcroft]

times uk

this spate has got to have alqaida behind it, if it were just local groups, how come they never did it this often previously?

 

[Kadarin]

The article mentions these incidents have been on the rise since Musharraf abandoned support for the Taliban and started working with the US in the war on terror.

Gosh, Islam is such the religion of peace and tolerance, isn't it?

 

[Czar]

Gosh, Islam is such the religion of peace and tolerance, isn't it?

try asking the fundimental christians, this about being a fundimentalists in a religion, not a specific religion.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I disagree Czar. Please find where Jesus advocates a Jihad. "Love thy neighbor as thyself". Many people who call themselves Christians do bad things in the name of religion, but nowhere do you find Christ advocating killing infidels. It seems that Islam does allow this though.

 

[Red Dawn]

Muslims killing Christians in Pakistan, Jews and Muslims killing each other on Israel, Catholics and Prots killing each other in Northern Ireland. You ever notice that there is never any reports of Athesists killing those who believe differently from them? Well unless you include Communists but they are more a Political group like Monarchy's, Imperialist, Facists and Democracies.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
I disagree Czar. Please find where Jesus advocates a Jihad. "Love thy neighbor as thyself". Many people who call themselves Christians do bad things in the name of religion, but nowhere do you find Christ advocating killing infidels. It seems that Islam does allow this though.

Fundimentalists in general change the meaning of the religion. For Islam, the word Jihad how the fundimentalists use it is different from what most Muslims use it.
http://tariq.bitshop.com/simplyIslam/jihad.htm
The Quran doesnt even say anything about Jihad in the meaning Fundimentalists use it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

People always kill Red, but over different things. I know many people who I consider Christians. Note that is how I see them, judged by my understanding of the religion. They seem to understand that their religion forbids killing. I know others who call themselves by that name and are as bad as anyone else, worse even, because others associate them with the first group. Also, consider ethnicity. Much of the killing today is not over religion, but one tribe or culture (which may have the same religion) attacking another. CAN a religion advocate killing? Of course. But I would find it hard to believe the AVERAGE athiest is more or less likely to kill than the AVERAGE theist

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Czar, I am not an expert in islam. I do know that many leaders in that region (perhaps not all but the ones I see) advocate killing, and that is a shame

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Czar, I am not an expert in islam. I do know that many leaders in that region (perhaps not all but the ones I see) advocate killing, and that is a shame

thats true in a sense, many leaders all over the world advocate killing in one way or another.
Religion is to leaders a tool to control the public, the fundimentalists in the middle east are very powerful because of that, they can control the public. It has bee slowly changing and after one or two generations it will hopefully be gone from their system.

 

[Red Dawn]

But I would find it hard to believe the AVERAGE athiest is more or less likely to kill than the AVERAGE theist

The vast majority of theists are just as non violent as Atheists that is obviously true. But there are still small percentages of theists who do kill in the name of their religious beliefs. On the other hand you rarely read about a group of Atheists even congregating, let alone forming a mob or a Militia for the purpose of killing and striking out at those who believe differently.

 

[rbhawcroft]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Muslims killing Christians in Pakistan, Jews and Muslims killing each other on Israel, Catholics and Prots killing each other in Northern Ireland. You ever notice that there is never any reports of Athesists killing those who believe differently from them? Well unless you include Communists but they are more a Political group like Monarchy's, Imperialist, Facists and Democracies.

thats so true.

 

[Nefrodite]

the average athiest is less likely to blow himself up to take out womena and children eh? no 72 virgins in paradise kinda makes the decision a little harder to make eh?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Nefrodite
the average athiest is less likely to blow himself up to take out womena and children eh? no 72 virgins in paradise kinda makes the decision a little harder to make eh?

Didnt I hear that virgins was mistranslation? I think it was really raisins

 

[Nefrodite]

72 juicy raisins in paradise is still pretty nice though

 

[Red Dawn]

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Muslims killing Christians in Pakistan, Jews and Muslims killing each other on Israel, Catholics and Prots killing each other in Northern Ireland. You ever notice that there is never any reports of Athesists killing those who believe differently from them? Well unless you include Communists but they are more a Political group like Monarchy's, Imperialist, Facists and Democracies.
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thats so true.

Actually I think the situation in Northern Ireland could be more political in nature than it is Religious. Religion had more of a role in the origin of that conflict than it probably does now in its aftermath, which is more about class struggle and what the Catholics see as continued British Imperialism.

 

[eakers]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
I disagree Czar. Please find where Jesus advocates a Jihad. "Love thy neighbor as thyself". Many people who call themselves Christians do bad things in the name of religion, but nowhere do you find Christ advocating killing infidels. It seems that Islam does allow this though.

i disagree, people kill and hurt others that believe differently is not only islam. as mentioned previously in the thread what is happening in ireland right now for example.

i find its not even that much about religion at all. its about groups of people and what they define themselves by. often times people define their group by religion but other times it can also be by country or sex or race. its a group mentality, once into a group the group wants power or to be the best. its simply human nature, take sporting events for example. we do so much to encourage equality but then at the same time we discourage it by saying that our team is better, stronger, faster than your team so we are better. i mean entire countries freak out when an athlete has a medal taken away and why? well because that medal that that one person from that "group" won makes the entire group better somehow.

so for the atheists who think that atheists never hurt anybody thats completly untrue. for example look at what is happening in tibet by the chinese who are basically commiting genocide against a group of people and distroying historical landmarks and that is certainly not being done in the name of religion but rather nationalism.

or look at communist russia: all the death that happened there and that was not in the name of religion but rather a political movement which claimed that those things were in the best interest of the people.

i dunno, im rambling. i usually stay away from these threads cuz they make me angry.

 

[rubix]

everytime someone is saved from death (like the miners or 9/11 survivors) it's always god who saved them. i love the way people think. guess he likes to take day offs though.

 

[Red Dawn]

so for the atheists who think that atheists never hurt anybody thats completly untrue. for example look at what is happening in tibet by the chinese who are basically commiting genocide against a group of people and distroying historical landmarks and that is certainly not being done in the name of religion but rather nationalism.

You know you are right. Atheism is a major aspect of Communism and in the ChiCom's case they sure seemed to have congregated in mass

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

so for the atheists who think that atheists never hurt anybody thats completly untrue. for example look at what is happening in tibet by the chinese who are basically commiting genocide against a group of people and distroying historical landmarks and that is certainly not being done in the name of religion but rather nationalism.

You know you are right. Atheism is a major aspect of Communism and in the ChiCom's case they sure seemed to have congregated in mass

in a certan way its true but they do it in the name of Communism or Nationalism or whatever they can think of, not in the name of Athiesm

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

so for the atheists who think that atheists never hurt anybody thats completly untrue. for example look at what is happening in tibet by the chinese who are basically commiting genocide against a group of people and distroying historical landmarks and that is certainly not being done in the name of religion but rather nationalism.

You know you are right. Atheism is a major aspect of Communism and in the ChiCom's case they sure seemed to have congregated in mass

in a certan way its true but they do it in the name of Communism or Nationalism or whatever they can think of, not in the name of Athiesm

How many Communist suicide bombers have you ever heard of?

The problem is that Islam, a "religion of peace and tolerance", sanctions/promotes the killing of unbelievers, to the point where they glorify those who blow themselves up in the process.

I can't wait (in an abstract manner, of course, not literally) for the first fundamentalist Christian to blow himself up at a mosque somewhere. Imagine the Palestinian outcry if an Israeli ever blows himelf up in a suicide bomb attack... oh the irony..

 

[Red Dawn]

in a certan way its true but they do it in the name of Communism or Nationalism or whatever they can think of, not in the name of Athiesm

Actually it's just a label.Communist Atheists are doing the same thing as the Religious Fundamentalists.Ab Communist State might be more efficient than a Fundamentalist State (which really isn?t that hard to do) but it still depends on an Authoritarian rules and strict interpretation to laws, edicts, verses what ever.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
How many Communist suicide bombers have you ever heard of?

The problem is that Islam, a "religion of peace and tolerance", sanctions/promotes the killing of unbelievers, to the point where they glorify those who blow themselves up in the process.

I can't wait (in an abstract manner, of course, not literally) for the first fundamentalist Christian to blow himself up at a mosque somewhere. Imagine the Palestinian outcry if an Israeli ever blows himelf up in a suicide bomb attack... oh the irony..

That is exactly my point, Islam doesnt promote suicide bombings, its the fundimentalists version of Islam that does, two totaly different things most of the time.

and btw, this discussion has nothing to do with Palestine or Israel.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Muslims killing Christians in Pakistan, Jews and Muslims killing each other on Israel, Catholics and Prots killing each other in Northern Ireland. You ever notice that there is never any reports of Athesists killing those who believe differently from them? Well unless you include Communists but they are more a Political group like Monarchy's, Imperialist, Facists and Democracies.
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thats so true.

Actually I think the situation in Northern Ireland could be more political in nature than it is Religious. Religion had more of a role in the origin of that conflict than it probably does now in its aftermath, which is more about class struggle and what the Catholics see as continued British Imperialism.

As I understand the Northern Ireland thing it is all about the Irish Protestants that are a majority in that area vs the Catholic minority. It is more about religious identity and power than anything to do with theology. Since the Protestant majority share a common religion with the UK they wish to remain a part of it while the Catholic minority sees integration into the Republic as a way to power. At least they all seem to be talking to one another now rather than continuing the mindless cycles of violence.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

The Islamic religion is, of course, NOT exclusive in inspiring fundamentalism and violence.
Islam IS, however, the World Champions on the subject.

Stop being politically correct and be honest.

 

[Red Dawn]

The Islamic religion is, of course, NOT exclusive in inspiring fundamentalism and violence.

Hey they ain't got a thing on the Crusaders or those in charge of the Spanish Inquisition.