I bet someone can bring in the sales chart from July to show now the sales of 460 impact other video cards.
Yes, sales of one product affect the sales of other products. That is not in dispute. The OP said that the 460 specifically was causing problems, to which I said we dont really know that because we don't have that information. Yes, we could bring in sales numbers, but until someone does, we do not have that info, hence, my point. If you have those numbers, please share, otherwise, you have no factual idea either.
460 penetrated the every discrete video card markets. Unless the entire 6xxx series are IGPs, it is going to compete with 460.
The 460 competes in one product segment. It does not matter to people that want the best of the best and will spend $500 on it, as they are not in the market for a 460. As with all things in an economy, your completion is for people that would buy your product, not those that would NOT buy your product.
The irony is many in this forum believed that 6xxx series is going to flip Nvidia's boat because Nvidia doesn't seem to have a counter product. Now you are saying that it is perfectly fine for AMD not to have a counter product against 460.
I have no idea where this came from. My only point, and the only thing I said, was that the forums "feelings about the success of cards" has very little correlation to what is actually happening.
You are trying to turn "facts" into "fiction". You are saying that it isn't true that 460 is selling well, much better than any other GPUs in the market atm.
That is one heck of a read on what I am saying. Again, we DO NOT have any factual information about sales, demand, supply etc and have no way to know how well any card, including the 460, is selling.
Your statement that the 460 is selling better than any other GPU must be based on something, although I have not seen it publicly released how many IC's AMD or Nvidia are selling. Care to share your source?
The plan takes years, the execution does not. Nvidia planned Fermi for a very long time, which is not the problem. The problem was the 6 month delay with the execution. In fact, Nvidia planned several more 2xx cards that never made it to the market. Because of this, Nvidia is said to be dropping the balls. To consumers, we never knew its existence. To other companies that had planned to use those chips, are big hits.
I think you are agreeing with me. The design for the 6XXX series has been in place before the 460 came to market and were probably designed around the same time. Check out IDC's post about respins and redesigns, as I think you may have the two concepts a bit backward.
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This particular rumor is about TMSC not able to deliver, which is not something within the original plan of AMD.
How do you know this? Again, you are asserting this as fact, but as far as any of us can tell, it is just your opinion. You do not know what AMD's plans were with this design. In any event, they certainly had backup plans and would have known about node problems before the general public (i.e. us).
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In case you don't know, 480/470 is the first generation of Fermi, which is planned to counter the Cypress series. Nvidia stated that the delay of the first generation of Fermi will not affect the original plan time of the 2nd generation of Fermi, and 460 is the 2nd generation of Fermi. On the other hand, the 6xxx series from AMD is planned to counter the 2nd generation of Fermi.
I am not saying this rumor has any truth to it. However, it will be easier to believe that TSMC still hasn't recover from the precious problem then to believe that everything is fixed.
If AMD planned to release 5xxx as 40nm chip and 6xxx as 32nm chip, then it is not unbelievable that 6xxx will have problems as TSMC stated that they are going to skip 32nm and go directly to 28nm. If TSMC is telling the truth, then AMD may have a problem following the plan, which made this rumor plausible.
I think other posters have explained that your statement is false. By that logic, the 5770 cores are a different generation than the chips that power the 5830, 5850 and 5870. They are somewhat different *designs* but they share a common architecture (building blocks) as their larger brothers. Same goes for the Fermi family.