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Another A/C question

DaTT

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When I bought my car new in 2005, the A/C was never "new car cold". It was chilled and did the job but was never real cold. To this day it has been the same....I assume it's just low on coolant from the factory. I have not had this looked into, but does it seem reasonable?
 
I haven't heard any discussion, so maybe just a one off? Not sure what the process is like at the plant...if it is even possible to short charge a system.
 
Get a thermometer and put it in the vent, with the A/C set to coldest and recirculate, and the fan on medium. Give it a few minutes and see what the coldest temp is. 40-50F on an average summer day is typical.

Of course, not every vehicle will be the same. Some will be colder, some not so much.
 
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Yeah, it may just be the AC is undersized for the car. But that seems to be a problem with Japanese cars, not American (assuming you're talking about the Mustang).
 
If you can't beg/borrow/steal some gauges, at least watch the compressor operate, and note how frequently it cycles. If the charge is low, it will tend to suck the low side down rather quickly before tripping the low pressure switch and turning the compressor off. Kind of a hard thing to guess at unless the refrigerant charge is more than just marginally low.

But if it's low, you need gauges to charge, anyhow. They're not as cryptic to read as many people think. You just need to know the low side number you're looking for...depending on the ambient temp and the particular system, it should be somewhere in the 25-40psi range. I cite 30-35 as generally 'optimal,' but a little higher is not abnormal, especially if it's super hot out.

High side is important, too, but I'd pretty much just advise looking at a chart and seeing what high side should accompany the low side you're seeing. If it's 'in the ballpark,' I wouldn't worry about it. There's also the speed at which the pressures change with the compressor turns on and off, but that's hard to get a feel for without experience. If it goes from rest pressure (high/low equal) to the compressor cycling back off in a matter of seconds, that's too quick. It should meet some 'resistance' in the 40-50psi realm or thereabouts, and the gauge will start just creeping down instead of the quick movement it makes from rest. If nothing else, you can grab a can of refrigerant and start slowly letting some in. Do it in bursts so that you can observe the resulting pressure without anything flowing from the can. If the low side continues to hit the same pressure, the charge is/was low.
 
I'm actually shocked you're advocating charging the AC yourself.

Me? I don't advocate it without gauges. If someone is willing to invest in them, hopefully they're also willing to read a little bit and understand what the readings mean, and what is 'normal.'

I will state plainly that gauge readings can be confusing at first. And if someone is just using them on one or two cars in their household, it could take a long time to build a good understanding. But they can also share their results, or better yet, post actual video of the gauges monitoring operation, and I'm happy to give input.
 
I believe I can buy a charge kit from Canadian Tire (automotive store in Canada) that has gauges with...around $70. Does that price seem like it would come with said gauges? I can't remember off hand if it did or not.
 
That kit looks perfectly fine. Adding refrigerant is easier than most people think. I've done it a couple of times myself.
 
You really need a kit with high and low side gauges to assess the state of your AC system.

The red pie wedge on that kit's gauge is the right range for hot/high side pressure. The blue wedge is the range for low side pressure. You can read them both just not at the same time. A kit with 2 gauges will cost more and arguably not necessary just to top off low refrigerant.
 
Uh, look again. The description clearly says "low side service fitting". Plus, the range of the gauge isn't nearly high enough to measure the high side of the AC system. You need to be able to measure the delta, not just the low side pressure.
 
i just topped off my car's 134a system for ~$75

harbor freight manifold gauge set - $51 (after coupon & taxes )
dupont 12 oz 134a can - $10 (ebay)
134a can tap & valve - $10 (ebay)

it was neat seeing the static pressure (~80 psi high & low) then the compressor kick on ( ~30 psi low / ~200 psi high ).
 
Uh, look again. The description clearly says "low side service fitting". Plus, the range of the gauge isn't nearly high enough to measure the high side of the AC system. You need to be able to measure the delta, not just the low side pressure.

You can get adapters for the hot side. The gauge goes to 350psi.
 
You really need a kit with high and low side gauges to assess the state of your AC system.
No, he doesn't. He's already stated that he doesn't know anything about A/C.

If you want to add some refrigerant, get a kit with a gauge that has a "green" section for "full" and use that. Otherwise, get someone to look at it.

But test it with a thermometer first.
 
Yes, the Mustang.

That's odd, I had a '94 Escort with the coldest AC I've ever seen, I think Ford didn't want to pay for a smaller unit so they must have used an existing compressor and used that, thing was, turning on the AC with an 88HP motor was like hitting the E-brake!, if I had an on ramp to tackle the AC got turned off LOL..
 
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