Another 2.6C + P4P800-D Benchy! w/ Radeon 9800np

[stardust]

Benches in the Thugsrook format (borrowed from Oldfart)

Asus P4P800 Deluxe / P4 2.6C Benchmarks

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TEST SYSTEM
Asus P4P800 Deluxe - BIOS version 1.008 Final MAM "On"
P4 2.6C SL6WH | FPO # 7317A655 | Pack Date 6/18/03
3.25 GHz | 250 FSB HT enabled
OCZ PC3700 EL Dual Channel Gold (2x 256MB)
Lapped ThermalTake Spark7+ HSF
Radeon 9800NP - 330/300 core/mem - Cat 3.6 - no AA/AF - default settings
Turbolink 420ATX - 420Watts
Win XP Pro SP1a
DirectX 9.0b

TEST SPECS
Asus P4P800 Deluxe i865PE = 1.525 Vcore | 1.6 VAGP | 2.85 Vdimm | PCI/AGP 66/33 | 1:1 ratio | DC DDR 500 | cas 2.5-4-4-8 Turbo, MAM

Very stable CPU, did not need Vcore increase. Performed equally high with 1.6V. Full OC @ 262fsb.

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BENCHMARKS

> 3DMark2001 < default
18647

> 3DMark2003 < default
5420

6056 AFTER PRO BIOS FLASH!!

> UT2003 Demo < 1024x768x32, flyby - botmatch
249.2 - 88.4

> Quake III 1024x768x32 < max quality settings
417.3

> AIDA32 ver 3.61 read/write
5329/2114 performance mode "Turbo", MAM "On"

> SiSandra Max 3
Mem Bandwidth: 5837/5825
CPU arithmetic (dhrystone/whetsone): 10029 MIPS/6191 MFLOPS (2806)



Benchmarked after saving GPU from total destruction. Thanks Pete, Pelikan, BoomAM, and Rollo for the technical suggestions. Thank you Shady06 for helping me select graphics cards. I will keep the 9800np at 330/300, seems like a good speed. Sorry for the repeat Oldfart, jus thought this would help in comparison to your 2.6C.

UPDATE: Flashed Bios to Pro. click for details

 

[lookouthere]

are you using 1:1 ratio?

 

[pelikan]

Good job stardust. Nice system. I'm glad you got the video card thing straightened out. Where did you buy your 2.6C?

 

[batmang]

Its running at 1:1 with 250fsb? All at default vcore. I cant even get my 2.6c to hit 3.25 at all. Nice dood.

 

[stardust]

Originally posted by: pelikan
Good job stardust. Nice system. I'm glad you got the video card thing straightened out. Where did you buy your 2.6C?

newegg.com

 

[bacillus]

OCZ PC3700 EL Dual Channel Gold (2x 512MB)

shouldn't that be 2x256Mb?
nice O/clock that!

 

[stardust]

Originally posted by: bacillus

OCZ PC3700 EL Dual Channel Gold (2x 512MB)

shouldn't that be 2x256Mb?
nice O/clock that!

hahaha thnks...corrected, i forgot to change it from oldfarts layout

 

[stardust]

Originally posted by: lookouthere
are you using 1:1 ratio?

yes, my memory is surprisingly handling the speed at a medium tight timings. I was shocked my system made it!

The clock speeds of my 9800 Non-Pro are standard speeds (330/300) as opposed to the slower stock speed (324/284) which in my opinion is underclocking the card of its true un-overclocked nature.

All you ppl that want to compare the difference 1:1 ratio and slower clock speeds between two otherwise identical systems please use the following link as reference!!!

OLDFART'S 2.6C IC7 SYSTEM

differences on my system:

-faster quake
-faster flyby
-slower botmatch
-slower 3dMark03
-faster 3dMark02 (more memory dependent is my guess)
-faster mem scores


IF ANY OF YOU WANT MORE BENCHMARKS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!

 

[stardust]

bump

 

[Khyron320]

I have the same exact FPO# and pack date on my 2.6c.

My kingston hyperX cant seem to make it past 220mhz fsb so
Im running at 3.25ghz 5:4 ratio 250mhz fsb/ 200mhz memory

so far pretty stable

 

[stardust]

Originally posted by: Khyron320
I have the same exact FPO# and pack date on my 2.6c.

My kingston hyperX cant seem to make it past 220mhz fsb so
Im running at 3.25ghz 5:4 ratio 250mhz fsb/ 200mhz memory

so far pretty stable

are they PC3500 or PC3200? So far only the PC3700 and PC4000 can make DDR500.


New 3Dmark score after bios flash

 

[Khyron320]

Originally posted by: stardust

Originally posted by: Khyron320
I have the same exact FPO# and pack date on my 2.6c.

My kingston hyperX cant seem to make it past 220mhz fsb so
Im running at 3.25ghz 5:4 ratio 250mhz fsb/ 200mhz memory

so far pretty stable

are they PC3500 or PC3200? So far only the PC3700 and PC4000 can make DDR500.

Sorry i forgot to throw that in

Im running KHX3500 so thats DDR433 and im able to hit 220mhz thats DDR440 so i guess i should be happy =P

Also they are 512 sticks i may sell these 3500's to a friend and buy 4x256 ddr500 sticks after reading the holy grail memory article

 

[stardust]

Thats an aweful lot of money your throwing at your computer memory! Would you spend the extra 220 dollars occupying all 4 slots to get <100mbps gain in performance or would u save 100+ dollars buying a 2x512mb kit?

 

[RDub]

Stardust, I can't seem to get my system to overclock past 2.89 Ghz through the standard AI overclock setting at 20%.

P4P800 Deluxe
p4 2.4c
2x512 Twinmos 3700 3-4-4-8
Raid 0 Raptors
9500 Pro bios flashed to 9700 Pro 324/310

I tried you settings (except for the 2.5 cas) but system crashed.

Can you help. I am new at overclocking but willing to learn.

RDub

 

[stardust]

its your memory, try 5:4 timings. In your bios, set memory speed from 400mhz to 320mhz. This will give u an actual speed of 400MHZ at 250fsb. Your memory is only rated to handle DDR466 and NOT DDR500. 250fsb at 1:1 = DDR500!

also, i should've said this earlier: NEVER USE AI OVERCLOCK. Set it to manual and give the system these settings:

250mhz front side bus (if you can)
<1.6volts on the vcore (NO MORE than 1.6)
320mhz mem timings
<1.7V mem Voltage (I think ur warranty gets voided if any higher)
Performance mode to: Standard (If everything is stable, TRY Turbo.)

everything else should be slef explanitory.

your chipset settings should be: SPD for the time being
mps: 1.4

set those power options on because HT needs them

 

[RDub]

Thanks for the help.

I haven't been able to configure the FSB. It is frozen at 200. Can you configure yours?

If all other adjustments are made will the FSB adjust itself?

I did read a review of the board somewhere that the northbridge doesn't like anything higher than 245 mhz unless it can be cooled.

:gift:

 

[stardust]

please use the + and - keys

sorry but that was pretty funny hahahaha. sorry

 

[stardust]

northbridge is cooled... btw

mines running stock heatsink and i had it to 262fsb stable so no problems there!
if u hear sound crackling, cool ur southbridge but other than that, no heat problems for the mobo

 

[RDub]

Awesome.

Found the +/- keys when I went into the bios. Never realized you make the adjustments that way.

First try didn't work until I adjusted the CAS timing 3 --> 2.5. Then worked like a charm.

Current settings:

250 mhz FSB
1.525 VCore
320 mhz mem timings
1.7 VAGP
2.4c OC @ 3.017

Down to 31-32C idle. I have a Vantec AeroFlow that works great plus 5 x case fans.

I recently noticed that when making adjustments on the bios that the whole page needs to refresh before you can make the nest setting. I saw someone mentioned this on another post.

Where can I go to read more about how to make OC adjustments.

RDub aka Grasshoppa

 

[stardust]

WHAT?! where are you people reading this...

sorry, no you don't need any sort of refresh. how do you "refresh" anyway? just tweak and then let it be.

:beer: good OC! now its time for 260fsb

 

[RDub]

I am still a little lost on the ratio deal. The ratio is FSB/Memory. So at 250mhz and setting the memory at 320mhz how is that 5:4? Isn't that closer to 3:2. To achieve 5:4 shouldn't I be able to set memory at 400. I tried this but the system crashed. Can I adjust my cas timings to get the memory at 400?

My bandwidth increased from ~4000 to ~5000 when I made the OC adjustments. How do I get ~6000?

 

[stardust]

320mhz in the options means 320mhz when under 200fsb.

M=memory
F=FSB

320M=200F
320Mx1.25=200Fx1.25
400M=250F

get it?

 

[RDub]

Does the 5:4 come from the mem ratio of 400/320 or the fsb 250/200?

With that. if my memory is rated as 466mhz. Then does that mean I should be able to increase my FSB to 287mhz?

Where do the cas timings come into play. Do I need to adjust as the FSB is increased?

 

[stardust]

ok now all this can be found on the internet...

Toms hardware they have a good guide on memory timings and overclocking.

search for others on google.

YES, theoretically DDR466 is 287fsb on 5:4 ratio but CAN YOUR CPU DO 287fsb?
you have 2 choices:

1. Run 1:1 and set fsb to 233mhz to get 466DDR
2. Run 5:4 and set fsb to high as you can go (lets say that was 250fsb) and get DDR400

Its that simple, you either sacrifice CPU speed or Memory speed. YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH unless somehow you got your hands on memory rated for +500mhz.

In my case, I purchased OCZ PC3700 and with luck and such high quality memory, mines can handle DDR500 with mediocre 2.5-4-4-7 timings.
Your Twinmos isn't what I would buy to surpass the rated speeds, so your stuck with the above options.



EDIT: fixed link

 

[RDub]

Thanks. This is great.