Announcement by Bush of troop withdrawal

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Lemon law

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Mankind is always engaged in that futile search for a way to consume the cake and get to retain the cake so it can be consumed later.

And that, if everything in the surge suddenly starts working, we will get to withdraw the troops GWB critics want GWB to withdraw no matter what now, is exactly that pie in sky way to have your cake and eat it too that GWB's witch doctor ordered. Quick Quick Quaff the Potant Potent. You may not wake up feeling better, but GWB's witch doctors will.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Unbelievable. Any good news whatsoever and you all gotta shit on it. Unbelievable. What a sad world you must live in...

You made the OP, got called on its content and you have the nerve to profess indignation. Funny how the world spins. :confused:

Indignation? Hardly. Reaction to the btterness and singlemindedness of most on this board? Disgust.

Not that anyone cares lol
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Unbelievable. Any good news whatsoever and you all gotta shit on it. Unbelievable. What a sad world you must live in...

You made the OP, got called on its content and you have the nerve to profess indignation. Funny how the world spins. :confused:

Indignation? Hardly. Reaction to the btterness and singlemindedness of most on this board? Disgust.

Not that anyone cares lol

Singlemindedness? LOL again. Bush (and you for posting it trying to make Bush look better) is announcing something that was "supposed" to be the norm as a breakthrough in the Iraq war. LOL @ you and Bush for trying to fool the American people. :laugh:

Think people forgot about the "temporary" part of the "surge"? Talk about simplemindedness! :laugh:
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Won't setting timetables embolden the terrorists and aid them in their struggle?

Yes, which is why a concrete date is not being set.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Won't setting timetables embolden the terrorists and aid them in their struggle?

Yes, which is why a concrete date is not being set.

Someday I will die. This naturally emboldens satan. When, who knows.

People are such suckers.
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Won't setting timetables embolden the terrorists and aid them in their struggle?

Only if you assume and disrespect your opponents to a point where you assume they are as stupid as cart horses. Then we all know the drill, get cart, horse, stick, and carrot. Tie cart to horse, tie carrot to stick, wise guy gets in cart drivers seat, holds carrot the horse chases, the cart moves forward, but every inch the horse moves forward moves carrot an equal amount, so horse never gets any joy as GWB screws both pooches and horses.

The problem is, the insurgents in Iraq don't chase GWB carrots and after that its all downhill.
 
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And the AT P&N Anti-War Machine trundles on, albeit with mechanical/electrical problems:

If the troops had not been brought home on schedule, meaning the Surge did not go as planned, Bush would have been hammered on.

When the plan IS successful, which is plainly indicated by the troops coming home on time, it's 'Well they're suppposed to come home then!' (With the exclamation point implying righteous indignation), and Bush gets hammered on.

If the duplicity wasn't so sad it would be merely moronic.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
And the AT P&N Anti-War Machine trundles on, albeit with mechanical/electrical problems:

If the troops had not been brought home on schedule, meaning the Surge did not go as planned, Bush would have been hammered on.

When the plan IS successful, which is plainly indicated by the troops coming home on time, it's 'Well they're suppposed to come home then!' (With the exclamation point implying righteous indignation), and Bush gets hammered on.

If the duplicity wasn't so sad it would be merely moronic.

Hammering Bush? LOL. The OP was getting hammered far more than Bush for making this sound "earth shattering". Bush is just playing it up (as most politicans would do) and you're being overly dramatic (as you usually do)! :laugh:
 

Jhhnn

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Nice bit of false attribution there, TLC-

"When the plan IS successful, which is plainly indicated by the troops coming home on time"

Just doesn't match reality, no matter the spin. The troops were already scheduled for this withdrawal, barring some huge reversal of fortune where they couldn't possibly do so.

Withdrawal of the surge troops is an act independent of the success or failure of the surge itself, but you already knew that...
 
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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Nice bit of false attribution there, TLC-

"When the plan IS successful, which is plainly indicated by the troops coming home on time"

Just doesn't match reality, no matter the spin. The troops were already scheduled for this withdrawal, barring some huge reversal of fortune where they couldn't possibly do so.

Withdrawal of the surge troops is an act independent of the success or failure of the surge itself, but you already knew that...
I think I covered that excuse already Jhhnn. You just forgot to include the relevant part when you quoted me:

it's 'Well they're suppposed to come home then!' (With the exclamation point implying righteous indignation)
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
And the AT P&N Anti-War Machine trundles on, albeit with mechanical/electrical problems:

If the troops had not been brought home on schedule, meaning the Surge did not go as planned, Bush would have been hammered on.

When the plan IS successful, which is plainly indicated by the troops coming home on time, it's 'Well they're suppposed to come home then!' (With the exclamation point implying righteous indignation), and Bush gets hammered on.

If the duplicity wasn't so sad it would be merely moronic.

There is no success, it's a sham. Show me anywhere that supports the assertion that violence is down in Iraq. Anbar is a joke, as violence is up dramatically in most other areas, 66%+ in Iraq in general.

The government is a mess, civvies are dying at faster paces, the rebuilding is done and only fractionally completed as we pissed away tens of billions for private contractors with Cost+ contracts who were intended to supplement the armed forces. Most of those are connected to the Pentagon.

Your hero has f'd up completely and now he is trying to extend you fools out until he can get out of office. Then they'll leave the problem to the Dems and blame it on them once withdraw becomes needed.

Great job sparky.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Let me know when 90%+ of the troops are gone. This is nothing and is the same level of troops in November 06 when the U.S. voted the Republican party out of a majority because of the war.
LOL! Michael Moore could win the Presidency, and you still won't see a 90% cut of our troops in Iraq until 2015, or later!

When are you people going to finally understand that!?

We.are.there.to.stay!
 

Jhhnn

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How silly, TLC. The fact that Bush and his fanbois are representing the surge as some sort of victory allowing troop withdrawals when it's not is the reason they're getting hammered.

It's kinda like setting a time to quit gambling at the casino, then claiming you quit at the designated time because you won- regardless of the amount of money you have left...

We'll see what's been won when the surge ends next July... odds are that it won't be much, if anything at all...
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
I posted about this very thing a few months ago when I was discrediting Pelosi so not going to do it again (sorry, not intentionally pulling a Dave), but throughout her career she is the posterchild of say one thing vote another.

Oh come on.

That's all you guys did but hid it in the agender of "The Great Conservative Movement" led by Rusgh, Hannity, Rove and all the rest.

Now that isn't working anymore you guys are using me.

How quaint and cute. :roll:
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Uh, what jhhnn said. The "temporary" surge is now being touted as a troop withdrawl. Technically, it is a troop withdrawl but that was the intention all along. LOL @ the OP for playing games with the "temporary" surge! :laugh:

United States of Amnesia. I read this thread and then think back on the surge thread and I just want to weep. Bush played all of America for suckers and the Dems, in their pride, helped him do it and now they're even covering up for him! Of course it was a "victory" for Bush, you idiots, the surge bought him another year or more over there. "Victory" has NEVER been Bush's goal in Iraq. Get that out of your head. That would defeat the purpose of staying there as long as possible.
 
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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
And the AT P&N Anti-War Machine trundles on, albeit with mechanical/electrical problems:

If the troops had not been brought home on schedule, meaning the Surge did not go as planned, Bush would have been hammered on.

When the plan IS successful, which is plainly indicated by the troops coming home on time, it's 'Well they're suppposed to come home then!' (With the exclamation point implying righteous indignation), and Bush gets hammered on.

If the duplicity wasn't so sad it would be merely moronic.

There is no success, it's a sham. Show me anywhere that supports the assertion that violence is down in Iraq. Anbar is a joke, as violence is up dramatically in most other areas, 66%+ in Iraq in general.

The government is a mess, civvies are dying at faster paces, the rebuilding is done and only fractionally completed as we pissed away tens of billions for private contractors with Cost+ contracts who were intended to supplement the armed forces. Most of those are connected to the Pentagon.

Your hero has f'd up completely and now he is trying to extend you fools out until he can get out of office. Then they'll leave the problem to the Dems and blame it on them once withdraw becomes needed.

Great job sparky.
Show you anywhere that supports the assertion that violence is down?

http://www.defenselink.mil/pub...ony-Slides20070910.pdf

Have at it.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: HomerJS
Hate to burst bubbles but because of troop deployment constraints the 30K reduction was going to happen anyway.
Bill Clinton should be the one taking credit for this:

?If I hadn?t cut the defense budget so much Bush wouldn?t have been forced to withdraw troops at all.?
 

UberNeuman

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: HomerJS
Hate to burst bubbles but because of troop deployment constraints the 30K reduction was going to happen anyway.
Bill Clinton should be the one taking credit for this:

?If I hadn?t cut the defense budget so much Bush wouldn?t have been forced to withdraw troops at all.?

hmmm.... When did Clinton say that?
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: HomerJS
Hate to burst bubbles but because of troop deployment constraints the 30K reduction was going to happen anyway.
Bill Clinton should be the one taking credit for this:

?If I hadn?t cut the defense budget so much Bush wouldn?t have been forced to withdraw troops at all.?
hmmm.... When did Clinton say that?
He didn't, it was a parady. Sorry that you missed it :)
 
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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
How silly, TLC. The fact that Bush and his fanbois are representing the surge as some sort of victory allowing troop withdrawals when it's not is the reason they're getting hammered.

It's kinda like setting a time to quit gambling at the casino, then claiming you quit at the designated time because you won- regardless of the amount of money you have left...

We'll see what's been won when the surge ends next July... odds are that it won't be much, if anything at all...
It has to get better in Iraq. After all, it's a disaster, chaos, a quagmire, "We have already lost."

If that's the case it can't possibly get get any worse. There's nowhere to go but up.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Nice bit of false attribution there, TLC-

"When the plan IS successful, which is plainly indicated by the troops coming home on time"

Just doesn't match reality, no matter the spin. The troops were already scheduled for this withdrawal, barring some huge reversal of fortune where they couldn't possibly do so.

Withdrawal of the surge troops is an act independent of the success or failure of the surge itself, but you already knew that...
I think I covered that excuse already Jhhnn. You just forgot to include the relevant part when you quoted me:

it's 'Well they're suppposed to come home then!' (With the exclamation point implying righteous indignation)

No, because in the end, your BS was so thick that it really doesn't matter what anyone says. Facts are that Bush can't win, you're right; except he's the one that put himself in a no-win situation. Yes, they do exist, and Iraq is it. Deal with it.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Let me know when 90%+ of the troops are gone. This is nothing and is the same level of troops in November 06 when the U.S. voted the Republican party out of a majority because of the war.
LOL! Michael Moore could win the Presidency, and you still won't see a 90% cut of our troops in Iraq until 2015, or later!

When are you people going to finally understand that!?

We.are.there.to.stay!

Don't hate me when I bump this. And didn't you say at least two decades in another thread?