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jonks

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: Modelworks


In the majority of religions they do not promote the things you list. I'm still waiting for people to post text from the bible , Koran, Torah, that say to do mass killing.


You really did not want to go there.

Mass Killings And Cruelties Ordered, Committed, Approved By God

All of those are taken way out of context in each situation. It would pull this thread way off track to argue over that entire text, so if you want to discuss it further, I would be more than happy to talk over PM or other.

Nope, they seem pretty spot on. I think we've all seen The 10 Commandments ad nauseum.
 

Gamingphreek

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: Modelworks


In the majority of religions they do not promote the things you list. I'm still waiting for people to post text from the bible , Koran, Torah, that say to do mass killing.


You really did not want to go there.

Mass Killings And Cruelties Ordered, Committed, Approved By God

All of those are taken way out of context in each situation. It would pull this thread way off track to argue over that entire text, so if you want to discuss it further, I would be more than happy to talk over PM or other.

Nope, they seem pretty spot on. I think we've all seen The 10 Commandments ad nauseum.

I'm sorry, but no they are taken way out of context. It is ONE verse pulled out of a chapter, which is pulled out of a book, which is pulled out of a Testament, which is pulled out of the Bible.

You cannot hope to pull anything out of one verse by itself without looking at the entire text.

...Christians who condemn other people based on how they think God will judge those people.

Sorry but those people are not following Jesus teachings either. The religion should not be based on the shortcomings of its followers. Christians are supposed to strive to be like Jesus and to love one another, never are we called to judge another person.

-Kevin
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: Modelworks


In the majority of religions they do not promote the things you list. I'm still waiting for people to post text from the bible , Koran, Torah, that say to do mass killing.


You really did not want to go there.

Mass Killings And Cruelties Ordered, Committed, Approved By God

All of those are taken way out of context in each situation. It would pull this thread way off track to argue over that entire text, so if you want to discuss it further, I would be more than happy to talk over PM or other.

Nope, they seem pretty spot on. I think we've all seen The 10 Commandments ad nauseum.

I'm sorry, but no they are taken way out of context. It is ONE verse pulled out of a chapter, which is pulled out of a book, which is pulled out of a Testament, which is pulled out of the Bible.

You cannot hope to pull anything out of one verse by itself without looking at the entire text.

-Kevin

What a hilarious response. You dont need to read a whole book to know what one sentence in that book means. Nothing to see here folks, just the common responses from people who cant justify thier beliefs with anything other than the word "faith."

 

Gamingphreek

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: Modelworks


In the majority of religions they do not promote the things you list. I'm still waiting for people to post text from the bible , Koran, Torah, that say to do mass killing.


You really did not want to go there.

Mass Killings And Cruelties Ordered, Committed, Approved By God

All of those are taken way out of context in each situation. It would pull this thread way off track to argue over that entire text, so if you want to discuss it further, I would be more than happy to talk over PM or other.

Nope, they seem pretty spot on. I think we've all seen The 10 Commandments ad nauseum.

I'm sorry, but no they are taken way out of context. It is ONE verse pulled out of a chapter, which is pulled out of a book, which is pulled out of a Testament, which is pulled out of the Bible.

You cannot hope to pull anything out of one verse by itself without looking at the entire text.

-Kevin

What a hilarious response. You dont need to read a whole book to know what one sentence in that book means. Nothing to see here folks, just the common responses from people who cant justify thier beliefs with anything other than the word "faith."

I said from the very start that I would be MORE THAN HAPPY to justify my comment via PM or E-Mail so as not to derail the thread. If you want to discuss it further please take it there, but please stop bashing me and my beliefs.

-Kevin
 

soonerproud

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
All of those are taken way out of context in each situation. It would pull this thread way off track to argue over that entire text, so if you want to discuss it further, I would be more than happy to talk over PM or other.

Don't even get me started on "context" and these scriptures. I believe in God and the bible and have read it from one cover to the last both old and new testament. God ordered Joshua to kill everything including innocent men women and children and their animals. In fact this is ordered several times in the old testament and when the Israelites refused to follow these orders to the letter, God punished them.

The fact is that God does order the mass killings of nonbelievers in the OT and for anyone to dare me to post where this is ordered opened the door. I agree that there is no debating the issue.
 

Modelworks

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Originally posted by: soonerproud

The fact is that God does order the mass killings of nonbelievers in the OT and for anyone to dare me to post where this is ordered opened the door. I agree that there is no debating the issue.

What proof do you have that God ordered these things and that they were not just the ideas of man ? All you have is text written by men. What is and is not true is very hard to separate. You have to look at it overall and decide if that fits with your belief of what God is .

Just like if a newspaper publishes something that one of the presidential candidates supposedly told them. It is all second hand text.


The bible as a whole is a very difficult book to understand. It has had many editors and many times those editors shaped its content.

Don't fall into the trap that, the bible says it so it must be true. Consider the source. And the source is not God. It is man.

 

Gamingphreek

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Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
All of those are taken way out of context in each situation. It would pull this thread way off track to argue over that entire text, so if you want to discuss it further, I would be more than happy to talk over PM or other.

Don't even get me started on "context" and these scriptures. I believe in God and the bible and have read it from one cover to the last both old and new testament. God ordered Joshua to kill everything including innocent men women and children and their animals. In fact this is ordered several times in the old testament and when the Israelites refused to follow these orders to the letter, God punished them.

The fact is that God does order the mass killings of nonbelievers in the OT and for anyone to dare me to post where this is ordered opened the door. I agree that there is no debating the issue.

I have read Joshua too and, yes, this is pulled out of context.

These people were not merely non-believers, they were idolaters and people who blasphemed against the Lord.

Furthermore, the SINGLE person in Jericho that didn't turn on the Lord asked that her entire family be spare - and they were.

This does not mean that God advocates mass killings. The OT is mostly religious war against people who are not merely non-believers, but people who openly blaspheme and persecute God's people.

Looking further, in Deuteronomy these laws were given for those such as the people of Jericho. One of the many purposes of this in the OT, is, when used in contrast with the NT, to show what all God's people had to endure before Jesus came.

Today, Jesus gave us a new commandment - to love one another. He died so those people who blaspheme and openly oppose the Lord and his followers don't have to (The Lord will judge them). They had food and mold laws also which shows us, after reading the NT, how amazing Jesus sacrifice was - he fulfilled all those laws and gave us one to govern them all (LOVE).

Finally, if you believe in God, then you should know not to boast in yourself reading the entire Bible, but boast in the Lord. What did you accomplish by reading it cover to cover? A person can read it cover to cover hundreds of times and yet STILL be surprised by another meaning or interpretation and grow in faith from that.

Don't fall into the trap that, the bible says it so it must be true. Consider the source. And the source is not God. It is man.

The Bible was written by people inspired by God's word. It is 100% true and is 100% from God.

From your statement; however, many people need to apply that logic to Christians. We are followers of Christ, not Christ himself. Christians strive to be like Jesus, but fall short - this is why you CANNOT see a Christian do something and assume that is how God intended it - we are no more perfect than ANYONE else in this world!

-Kevin
 

Ns1

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I had a revelation the other day.

People who can talk to god are schizophrenic. It makes perfect sense.
 
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SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: Modelworks
You have to look at it overall and decide if that fits with your belief of what God is .


This is one habit modern christians have that I strenuously disagree with. If there is a God then he is what he is. You don't get to decide anything. A christian's energies are better spent learning the true nature of God rather than trying to force him into a mold that suits them.

This demotion of the bible into metaphor is nothing but a tool used to maintain a facade of rationality. You cannot decouple the belief from its source. You cannot pick and choose to your liking what to accept as concrete truth and expect to be right. The world doesn't work that way. All you've done by entering the human source of the bible as excuse for its fallibility is turn it into a fuzzy no-man's land of disconnected verses to be individually trumpeted as truth or discarded as error whenever your tenuous grip on faith requires one or the other. It's really the ultimate defense against an increasingly rational world that can see how the whole thing just can't be true. You get to keep the text in its essence, but you can alternately drop or add sections to believe in at a whim. Obviously someone who does this isn't interested in real truth, they're just trying to keep their faith while keeping their head screwed on straight at the same time.
 

Modelworks

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Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Originally posted by: Modelworks
You have to look at it overall and decide if that fits with your belief of what God is .

Obviously someone who does this isn't interested in real truth, they're just trying to keep their faith while keeping their head screwed on straight at the same time.

Real truth ?
Do you even know how the bible got to be what it is today ?
There are so many men that made decisions over what went into it and what stayed out that it is impossible to say that it is the word of God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon

Which religion has the God correct version ?

What about books that were left out like the Gospel of Judas and other gnostic gospels ?
Oh wait, that doesn't fit with what we men want to be in the bible, so lets leave those out.

I really wish people would stop promoting it as something God published himself with every word written by him. It isn't . It is a collection of mens thoughts and experiences.
 

DangerAardvark

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Originally posted by: Modelworks
You have to look at it overall and decide if that fits with your belief of what God is .

Obviously someone who does this isn't interested in real truth, they're just trying to keep their faith while keeping their head screwed on straight at the same time.

Real truth ?
Do you even know how the bible got to be what it is today ?
There are so many men that made decisions over what went into it and what stayed out that it is impossible to say that it is the word of God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon

Which religion has the God correct version ?

What about books that were left out like the Gospel of Judas and other gnostic gospels ?
Oh wait, that doesn't fit with what we men want to be in the bible, so lets leave those out.

You're using the fallibility of the Bible to SUPPORT the fact that it was inspired in God? In other words, God dictated it, but wouldn't you know it, those damn humans done gone and messed it all up. What kind of retard God are you theorizing here that does this sort of thing? That's kind of the problem with this sort of reasoning. The more you try to rationalize beliefs meant to be taken on faith, the less your God resembles the Christian God or any God of any religion, and eventually you paint your God into a corner until he is a watered down deity barely worth calling God at all. I'm gonna go ahead and take an Occam's razor to this theory and just say that men wrote it, period.
 

Modelworks

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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
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You're using the fallibility of the Bible to SUPPORT the fact that it was inspired in God? In other words, God dictated it, but wouldn't you know it, those damn humans done gone and messed it all up. What kind of retard God are you theorizing here that does this sort of thing? That's kind of the problem with this sort of reasoning. The more you try to rationalize beliefs meant to be taken on faith, the less your God resembles the Christian God or any God of any religion, and eventually you paint your God into a corner until he is a watered down deity barely worth calling God at all. I'm gonna go ahead and take an Occam's razor to this theory and just say that men wrote it, period.

Nowhere have I said the bible is anything but a book written by men. I never said it was a book inspired by anything other than mens personal accounts. And as such is open to interpretation .

 

Gamingphreek

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Originally posted by: randay
these people blow my mind. i really cannot understand how they get like this.

People who dislike Christians or who don't believe in God always say that Christians claim the faith argument or they say stuff just like what you said.

Now, here you have a Christian who is telling everyone he would be more than happy to discuss the topic and all that happens is the same thing....
 

grrl

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Originally posted by: Jessica69
As Ernie Pyle wrote in WWII, "There are no atheists in foxholes."

Then again, James Morrow may have had it right when he wrote, "'There are no atheists in foxholes' isn?t an argument against atheism, it?s an argument against foxholes."

;)

In a documentary on Iwo Jima I just watched one soldier said he made it a point to NOT pray while on the island because he rejected the idea that there were no atheists in foxholes. He, obviously, survived.
 

DangerAardvark

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: randay
these people blow my mind. i really cannot understand how they get like this.

People who dislike Christians or who don't believe in God always say that Christians claim the faith argument or they say stuff just like what you said.

Now, here you have a Christian who is telling everyone he would be more than happy to discuss the topic and all that happens is the same thing....

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I have read Joshua too and, yes, this is pulled out of context.

These people were not merely non-believers, they were idolaters and people who blasphemed against the Lord.

Furthermore, the SINGLE person in Jericho that didn't turn on the Lord asked that her entire family be spare - and they were.

This does not mean that God advocates mass killings. The OT is mostly religious war against people who are not merely non-believers, but people who openly blaspheme and persecute God's people.

Looking further, in Deuteronomy these laws were given for those such as the people of Jericho. One of the many purposes of this in the OT, is, when used in contrast with the NT, to show what all God's people had to endure before Jesus came.

Today, Jesus gave us a new commandment - to love one another. He died so those people who blaspheme and openly oppose the Lord and his followers don't have to (The Lord will judge them). They had food and mold laws also which shows us, after reading the NT, how amazing Jesus sacrifice was - he fulfilled all those laws and gave us one to govern them all (LOVE).

Finally, if you believe in God, then you should know not to boast in yourself reading the entire Bible, but boast in the Lord. What did you accomplish by reading it cover to cover? A person can read it cover to cover hundreds of times and yet STILL be surprised by another meaning or interpretation and grow in faith from that.

qDon't fall into the trap that, the bible says it so it must be true. Consider the source. And the source is not God. It is man.


The Bible was written by people inspired by God's word. It is 100% true and is 100% from God.

From your statement; however, many people need to apply that logic to Christians. We are followers of Christ, not Christ himself. Christians strive to be like Jesus, but fall short - this is why you CANNOT see a Christian do something and assume that is how God intended it - we are no more perfect than ANYONE else in this world!

-Kevin

Any moderate Christian should be embarrassed to have you on their side. You are talking CRAZY. Yet we're the only one's arguing with you. And I'm happy to do it, but must you be SO crazy? I mean, I almost can't respond to the above quote because it indicts itself far more eloquently than I could hope to.
 

randay

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: randay
these people blow my mind. i really cannot understand how they get like this.

People who dislike Christians or who don't believe in God always say that Christians claim the faith argument or they say stuff just like what you said.

Now, here you have a Christian who is telling everyone he would be more than happy to discuss the topic and all that happens is the same thing....

How do you know I was talking about you?
 

Gamingphreek

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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: randay
these people blow my mind. i really cannot understand how they get like this.

People who dislike Christians or who don't believe in God always say that Christians claim the faith argument or they say stuff just like what you said.

Now, here you have a Christian who is telling everyone he would be more than happy to discuss the topic and all that happens is the same thing....

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I have read Joshua too and, yes, this is pulled out of context.

These people were not merely non-believers, they were idolaters and people who blasphemed against the Lord.

Furthermore, the SINGLE person in Jericho that didn't turn on the Lord asked that her entire family be spare - and they were.

This does not mean that God advocates mass killings. The OT is mostly religious war against people who are not merely non-believers, but people who openly blaspheme and persecute God's people.

Looking further, in Deuteronomy these laws were given for those such as the people of Jericho. One of the many purposes of this in the OT, is, when used in contrast with the NT, to show what all God's people had to endure before Jesus came.

Today, Jesus gave us a new commandment - to love one another. He died so those people who blaspheme and openly oppose the Lord and his followers don't have to (The Lord will judge them). They had food and mold laws also which shows us, after reading the NT, how amazing Jesus sacrifice was - he fulfilled all those laws and gave us one to govern them all (LOVE).

Finally, if you believe in God, then you should know not to boast in yourself reading the entire Bible, but boast in the Lord. What did you accomplish by reading it cover to cover? A person can read it cover to cover hundreds of times and yet STILL be surprised by another meaning or interpretation and grow in faith from that.

qDon't fall into the trap that, the bible says it so it must be true. Consider the source. And the source is not God. It is man.


The Bible was written by people inspired by God's word. It is 100% true and is 100% from God.

From your statement; however, many people need to apply that logic to Christians. We are followers of Christ, not Christ himself. Christians strive to be like Jesus, but fall short - this is why you CANNOT see a Christian do something and assume that is how God intended it - we are no more perfect than ANYONE else in this world!

-Kevin

Any moderate Christian should be embarrassed to have you on their side. You are talking CRAZY. Yet we're the only one's arguing with you. And I'm happy to do it, but must you be SO crazy? I mean, I almost can't respond to the above quote because it indicts itself far more eloquently than I could hope to.

You say all this and then tell me it isn't worth your time to respond!! Elaborate on your point and make this a discussion instead of merely flaming another person based on their views.

All I am asking is that you hold a civil conversation with me instead of attacking me! What is it you disagree with that I said? What is it that you don't understand?

-Kevin
 

seemingly random

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
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You say all this and then tell me it isn't worth your time to respond!! Elaborate on your point and make this a discussion instead of merely flaming another person based on their views.

All I am asking is that you hold a civil conversation with me instead of attacking me! What is it you disagree with that I said? What is it that you don't understand?

-Kevin
I don't think DangerAardvark was flaming you much. On the contrary, he was being rather gentle.

It's very hard to respond to you without delving into the religious-speak. It sounds like the author of most of your religious posts is not an autonomous person. They sound like they come from a mouthpiece for some religion regurgitating the dogma. People don't use words like blaspheme in everyday speech. I know from some of your other non-religious posts that you are decent, likable, if not profoundly naive, guy. When you start with religion though, it seems that some kind of bot takes over. I find it distasteful to talk to a religion although I can talk to a religious person who isn't trying to convert me.
 

Gamingphreek

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Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
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You say all this and then tell me it isn't worth your time to respond!! Elaborate on your point and make this a discussion instead of merely flaming another person based on their views.

All I am asking is that you hold a civil conversation with me instead of attacking me! What is it you disagree with that I said? What is it that you don't understand?

-Kevin
I don't think DangerAardvark was flaming you much. On the contrary, he was being rather gentle.

It's very hard to respond to you without delving into the religious-speak. It sounds like the author of most of your religious posts is not an autonomous person. They sound like they come from a mouthpiece for some religion regurgitating the dogma. People don't use words like blaspheme in everyday speech. I know from some of your other non-religious posts that you are decent, likable, if not profoundly naive, guy. When you start with religion though, it seems that some kind of bot takes over. I find it distasteful to talk to a religion although I can talk to a religious person who isn't trying to convert me.

Blaspheme is the form of the word blasphemy that completes the sentence -_- .. I don't know another word for denouncing God with all your heart - do you?

I have not tried to convert a single person in this thread - I am merely discussing the same things as everyone else only I believe in Jesus and all his teachings 100%.

Danger perhaps didn't flame too much (because that isn't allowed by forum rules) but he still bashes my arguments and says he has no time to respond to my arguments, yet I am the one who has no clue what I am talking about.

-Kevin

 

seemingly random

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
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You say all this and then tell me it isn't worth your time to respond!! Elaborate on your point and make this a discussion instead of merely flaming another person based on their views.

All I am asking is that you hold a civil conversation with me instead of attacking me! What is it you disagree with that I said? What is it that you don't understand?

-Kevin
I don't think DangerAardvark was flaming you much. On the contrary, he was being rather gentle.

It's very hard to respond to you without delving into the religious-speak. It sounds like the author of most of your religious posts is not an autonomous person. They sound like they come from a mouthpiece for some religion regurgitating the dogma. People don't use words like blaspheme in everyday speech. I know from some of your other non-religious posts that you are decent, likable, if not profoundly naive, guy. When you start with religion though, it seems that some kind of bot takes over. I find it distasteful to talk to a religion although I can talk to a religious person who isn't trying to convert me.

Blaspheme is the form of the word blasphemy that completes the sentence -_- .. I don't know another word for denouncing God with all your heart - do you?

I have not tried to convert a single person in this thread - I am merely discussing the same things as everyone else only I believe in Jesus and all his teachings 100%.

Danger perhaps didn't flame too much (because that isn't allowed by forum rules) but he still bashes my arguments and says he has no time to respond to my arguments, yet I am the one who has no clue what I am talking about.

-Kevin
I think you are so steeped in the dogma that you don't realize how it comes off to others. I don't think anyone thinks that you don't know what you're talking about - that you don't know the dogma. It's just that what (and how) you do talk about is precisely what people find offensive and so easily slammed. Don't know how else to describe it for you. I don't want to change you - I'm just trying to explain how I see it since you seem perplexed by others' reactions.
 

Gamingphreek

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Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
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You say all this and then tell me it isn't worth your time to respond!! Elaborate on your point and make this a discussion instead of merely flaming another person based on their views.

All I am asking is that you hold a civil conversation with me instead of attacking me! What is it you disagree with that I said? What is it that you don't understand?

-Kevin
I don't think DangerAardvark was flaming you much. On the contrary, he was being rather gentle.

It's very hard to respond to you without delving into the religious-speak. It sounds like the author of most of your religious posts is not an autonomous person. They sound like they come from a mouthpiece for some religion regurgitating the dogma. People don't use words like blaspheme in everyday speech. I know from some of your other non-religious posts that you are decent, likable, if not profoundly naive, guy. When you start with religion though, it seems that some kind of bot takes over. I find it distasteful to talk to a religion although I can talk to a religious person who isn't trying to convert me.

Blaspheme is the form of the word blasphemy that completes the sentence -_- .. I don't know another word for denouncing God with all your heart - do you?

I have not tried to convert a single person in this thread - I am merely discussing the same things as everyone else only I believe in Jesus and all his teachings 100%.

Danger perhaps didn't flame too much (because that isn't allowed by forum rules) but he still bashes my arguments and says he has no time to respond to my arguments, yet I am the one who has no clue what I am talking about.

-Kevin
I think you are so steeped in the dogma that you don't realize how it comes off to others. I don't think anyone thinks that you don't know what you're talking about - that you don't know the dogma. It's just that what (and how) you do talk about is precisely what people find offensive and so easily slammed. Don't know how else to describe it for you. I don't want to change you - I'm just trying to explain how I see it since you seem perplexed by others' reactions.

Well let me ask this then - how would you guys rather me discuss this matter?

I'm not going to get angry - I'm not going to swear - I'm not going to use personal attacks... I'm not sure how you guys are turned off by how I speak.
 

CallMeJoe

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...a God who could make good children as easily a bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it; who gave is angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body; who mouths justice, and invented hell--mouths mercy, and invented hell--mouths Golden Rules and foregiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell; who mouths morals to other people, and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites his poor abused slave to worship him!
More than once I have been humiliated by my resemblance to God the father; He is always longing for the love of His children and trying to get it on the cheapest and laziest terms He can invent.
If one truly believes there is an all-powerful deity, and one looks around at the condition of the universe, one is led inescapably to the conclusion that God is a malign thing.