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Anger toward God. Warranted?? Anybody else pissed at God right now???

redgtxdi

redgtxdi

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http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=5519704&page=1


If, when we are hit w/ tragedy, we shake our fist to the sky, or shout "why", or (enter method of dealing with tragedy here).......that presumes, anger toward God, questioning God, etc.

But, then that assumes God has the answer, right?? Why did the little girl die?? (We're asking the question, so philosophically, God has the answer).

Well, I'll go one further...... Why did the little girl have to die the kind of horrible death that finds her being crushed underneath a car and by her older brother, no less???

I think that's where my problem lies.

Why will some child somewhere in this world tonight, be raped, beaten, tortured and ultimately killed with no hope of anyone finding them until they are found dead (if ever) by someone looking???

:|
 
Originally posted by: redgtxdi
http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=5519704&page=1


If, when we are hit w/ tragedy, we shake our fist to the sky, or shout "why", or (enter method of dealing with tragedy here).......that presumes, anger toward God, questioning God, etc.

But, then that assumes God has the answer, right?? Why did the little girl die?? (We're asking the question, so philosophically, God has the answer).

Well, I'll go one further...... Why did the little girl have to die the kind of horrible death that finds her being crushed underneath a car and by her older brother, no less???

I think that's where my problem lies.

Why will some child somewhere in this world tonight, be raped, beaten, tortured and ultimately killed with no hope of anyone finding them until they are found dead (if ever) by someone looking???

:|
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It all stems from the gift of free choice. Everyone who believes gets pissed at God from time to time because as humans we want/expect the God we believe in to help us make sense of a complicated and often evil world. We go further and expect God to intervene and save his people from an evil world.

If there were incontrovertible proof through Deus ex Machina, there would be no free choice. I believe free choice is worth the sadness and grief of the human condition.
 
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Nope. I'm also not pissed at Darth Vader, the Loch Ness Monster or the Easter Bunny.
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you didnt watch star wars. *im* pissed at vader. what a pussy he turned out to be...

 
What amazes me is not how many folks on ATOT don't believe but, how many are so vehement and apparently angry/disdainful of those who do. I talk to atheists every day but, I don't believe in them.
 
this thread made me think of a line from the play Angels in America...

"God... he isn't coming back. and even if he did... if he ever did come back, if he ever dared to show his face, or his glyph or whatever in the garden again... if after all this destruction, if after all the terrible days of this terrible century he returned to see how much suffering his abandonment had created, if all he has to offer is death, you should sue the bastard, that's my only contribution to all this theology. sue the bastard for walking out."
 
Damn that's awful. But, if you think about it, dying is supposed to be the coolest thing that can happen to someone who is in God's favor right? I can't imagine a 5 year old girl has racked up enough sin to put her on God's black list. So, even if I were a christian and I "really" believed in God I still wouldn't be mad at him for bringing his child home. If her parents are "real" believers then they're happy their daughter is with the old man in the sky and are anxious to go join her, an occurrence that will be met with much great joy by the "real" believers among their close friends and relatives. I always wonder why I never see christians cheering at funerals. Seems like the logical thing to do considering their beliefs. Just something I think about every now and then...
 
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
What amazes me is not how many folks on ATOT don't believe but, how many are so vehement and apparently angry/disdainful of those who do. I talk to atheists every day but, I don't believe in them.
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well, for the record, i believe in God. i just think the OP's premise is ludicrous.
 
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Damn that's awful. But, if you think about it, dying is supposed to be the coolest thing that can happen to someone who is in God's favor right? I can't imagine a 5 year old girl has racked up enough sin to put her on God's black list. So, even if I were a christian and I "really" believed in God I still wouldn't be mad at him for bringing his child home. If her parents are "real" believers then they're happy their daughter is with the old man in the sky and are anxious to go join her, an occurrence that will be met with much great joy by the "real" believers among their close friends and relatives. I always wonder why I never see christians cheering at funerals. Seems like the logical thing to do considering their beliefs. Just something I think about every now and then...
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You seem to have a rather skewed perspective of believers and Christians in particular. What does logic have to do with belief in God?
 
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Damn that's awful. But, if you think about it, dying is supposed to be the coolest thing that can happen to someone who is in God's favor right? I can't imagine a 5 year old girl has racked up enough sin to put her on God's black list. So, even if I were a christian and I "really" believed in God I still wouldn't be mad at him for bringing his child home. If her parents are "real" believers then they're happy their daughter is with the old man in the sky and are anxious to go join her, an occurrence that will be met with much great joy by the "real" believers among their close friends and relatives. I always wonder why I never see christians cheering at funerals. Seems like the logical thing to do considering their beliefs. Just something I think about every now and then...
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You seem to have a rather skewed perspective of believers and Christians in particular. What does logic have to do with belief in God?
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I'm rather confused by your response. Don't those who have been born again go to heaven? Is this not the ultimate prize for which a christian's life is lived? Wouldn't that make it true that living as a christian is second best only to dying as one? What's skewed about that? Seems rather straightforward to me.

I may not consider the actual belief in God to be logical, but much thought goes into making the convolutions of Christianity make some sort of sense in the mind of the believer. If you didn't at least roughly work out God's message to you then you wouldn't know what to do with yourself. I'd guess that being a christian gives logic a healthy workout even though that logic is being misapplied IMO.
 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?



Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
It all stems from the gift of free choice. Everyone who believes gets pissed at God from time to time because as humans we want/expect the God we believe in to help us make sense of a complicated and often evil world. We go further and expect God to intervene and save his people from an evil world.

If there were incontrovertible proof through Deus ex Machina, there would be no free choice. I believe free choice is worth the sadness and grief of the human condition.
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He did intervene, at least once, according to the Bible - he wiped out all of humanity, except for one family. (I can only assume that incest followed.)


God is all powerful.
Therefore, evil exists because God allows it to.
But hey, God also has his "plan," and maybe evil is part of it. This little girl getting killed must just be another beautiful example of God's perfect plan in action.

 
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?



Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
It all stems from the gift of free choice. Everyone who believes gets pissed at God from time to time because as humans we want/expect the God we believe in to help us make sense of a complicated and often evil world. We go further and expect God to intervene and save his people from an evil world.

If there were incontrovertible proof through Deus ex Machina, there would be no free choice. I believe free choice is worth the sadness and grief of the human condition.
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He did intervene, at least once, according to the Bible - he wiped out all of humanity, except for one family. (I can only assume that incest followed.)


God is all powerful.
Therefore, evil exists because God allows it to.
But hey, God also has his "plan," and maybe evil is part of it. This little girl getting killed must just be another beautiful example of God's perfect plan in action.
Click to expand...

 
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
What amazes me is not how many folks on ATOT don't believe but, how many are so vehement and apparently angry/disdainful of those who do. I talk to atheists every day but, I don't believe in them.
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QFT.

I've come across few boards where people assume a person is an idiot with no exceptions because of religion. I really don't care how you feel about religion, but the people here who see it mentioned and then instantly respond with these cynically responses make me pretty angry.

Some people don't agree with you. Get over it. Some of those people that believe in religion (and depending on who you are here, most of them) are smarter, better people than you.

If you don't agree just let it go and stop thread crapping.
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?



Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
It all stems from the gift of free choice. Everyone who believes gets pissed at God from time to time because as humans we want/expect the God we believe in to help us make sense of a complicated and often evil world. We go further and expect God to intervene and save his people from an evil world.

If there were incontrovertible proof through Deus ex Machina, there would be no free choice. I believe free choice is worth the sadness and grief of the human condition.
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He did intervene, at least once, according to the Bible - he wiped out all of humanity, except for one family. (I can only assume that incest followed.)


God is all powerful.
Therefore, evil exists because God allows it to.
But hey, God also has his "plan," and maybe evil is part of it. This little girl getting killed must just be another beautiful example of God's perfect plan in action.
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C.S. Lewis has a whole book about this.
 
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