And You Thought "Washington Redskins" Was Bad . . .

[Perknose]

Meet the Spanish town "Little Hill Fort of Jew Killers." There's a vote scheduled May 25th to change its name.

Some oppose the initiative:

“We have been living just fine with this name for over 400 years, so why is there suddenly a need to change it?” asked Anastasio Alonso, a farmer.

But the real surprise is the most likely origination of the name:

Before he proposed last month that residents change the name, the mayor’s first step was to ask some experts to investigate just how the village got it. The answer, according to Angel Palomino, an archaeologist, is that “Jew killers” was added to the name not to commemorate a local pogrom, but because residents were desperate to dissociate themselves from their own Jewish past.

[...]

“The descendants of the Jews changed the name so as to portray themselves as the most anti-Semitic people possible at a time when Spain was the most Catholic monarchy of Europe,” Mr. Palomino said.

It used to be called Hill of Jews, and it was full of them:

The first known document referring to the village as Castrillo Matajudíos is from 1623. Earlier documents, Mr. Palomino said, generally referred to it as Castrillo de Judíos, or Castrillo of the Jews.

The more you know . . .

 

[Thebobo]

I never thought Redskins was bad.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Of course, there are other theories. The mayor said it was possible that a local clerk in the 17th century had mistakenly changed the name to Matajudíos from Motajudíos, meaning Hill of Jews. That is the name he would like residents to adopt again.

that's the explanation i've seen elsewhere, seems reasonable to me.

 

[Perknose]

I never thought Redskins was bad.

Either do I, as a matter of fact. <shrug>

 

[Perknose]

Of course, there are other theories. The mayor said it was possible that a local clerk in the 17th century had mistakenly changed the name to Matajudíos from Motajudíos, meaning Hill of Jews. That is the name he would like residents to adopt again.

that's the explanation i've seen elsewhere, seems reasonable to me.

Seems highly unlikely to me that a clerk would make such a howling "mistake" in his own language. Remember, while they look so similar to us, the two different names would as different as possible to a native Spanish speaker.

Maybe the clerk did it intentionally, though. That I can buy.

 

[manimal]

Sounds like the name of a nazi youth cartoon

 

[Markbnj]

That's an interesting story.

 

[OCGuy]

We can make an exception in this case for a blatantly racist moniker. The mayor of the town says they have surveyed some Jews, and the majority have no problem, or are even honored by the name.

 

[ThinClient]

I never thought Redskins was bad.

This.

 

[OCGuy]

I never thought Redskins was bad.

That is because the context in which you have heard it used.

Anyone with an IQ above room-temperature can see that "beloved patriot" in reference to a Native American is an epithet. However, the context in which we hear it is not and has never been derogatory. You rarely hear any slurs towards Native Americans anymore, and when you do it is generally "injuns" or "savages".

It is akin to naming your Yellow Lab "Zipperhead". After a while, Zipperhead in your world would just be the name of your dog, and not seem offensive at all.

My favorite racist/prejudice moniker is actually from Notre Dame. Gotta love the image of a drunken Irishman ready to resort to fisticuffs at the drop of a dime :biggrin:

 

[vi edit]

A town near me was the "Pekin Chinks" up till 1980.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1994-12-05/news/1994339058_1_chinks-pekin-high-tribune

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I don't think the Redskins name is bad, and after I read about the history of this town's name, I think its even less objectionable than the Redskins.

 

[Printer Bandit]

how about the name blackskins? since there are a lot of black people in DC.

 

[cronos]

I never thought Redskins was bad.

Redskins is fine. The Redskins however, is pretty terrible :awe:

 

[robphelan]

I always thought Matamoros meant "Kill the Moors"(Muslims).. but it only means "Kill the Indians" (Moros).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matamoros,_Tamaulipas

 

[smackababy]

That is because the context in which you have heard it used.

Anyone with an IQ above room-temperature can see that "beloved patriot" in reference to a Native American is an epithet. However, the context in which we hear it is not and has never been derogatory. You rarely hear any slurs towards Native Americans anymore, and when you do it is generally "injuns" or "savages".

It is akin to naming your Yellow Lab "Zipperhead". After a while, Zipperhead in your world would just be the name of your dog, and not seem offensive at all.

My favorite racist/prejudice moniker is actually from Notre Dame. Gotta love the image of a drunken Irishman ready to resort to fisticuffs at the drop of a dime :biggrin:

I actually read an article that cited beloved patriot as being the nickname for a certain tribe, who painted their skin with red pigments for battle. It wasn't even considered a racial epithet until like the 19th century.

 

[JTsyo]

Meet the Spanish town "Little Hill Fort of Jew Killers." There's a vote scheduled May 25th to change its name.

Some oppose the initiative:



But the real surprise is the most likely origination of the name:



It used to be called Hill of Jews, and it was full of them:



The more you know . . .

So they were expecting the Spanish Inquisition?

 

[Ackmed]

Redskins isn't bad, only an idiot would think so.

 

[Perknose]

So they were expecting the Spanish Inquisition?

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition . . . except maybe a bunch of Spanish Jews on a hill! :hmm:

 

[Orignal Earl]

Redskins isn't bad, only an idiot would think so.

Or you were someone who grew up getting beer bottles thrown at you while being called a beloved patriot

TIL the reason many U.S army helicopters are named after native-American tribes is because the first U.S air force bases were located on native reserves.

http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearn...he_reason_many_us_army_helicopters_are_named/

 

[bradley]

I actually read an article that cited beloved patriot as being the nickname for a certain tribe, who painted their skin with red pigments for battle. It wasn't even considered a racial epithet until like the 19th century.

beloved patriot refers to the bounty on the Indian scalps....

During the entire history of America until the turn of the twentieth century, Indigenous Americans were hunted, killed, and forcibly removed from their lands by European settlers. This includes the paying of bounties beginning in the colonial period with, for example, a proclamation against the Penobscot Indians in 1755 issued by King George II of Great Britain, known commonly as the Phips Proclamation. The proclamation orders, “His Majesty’s subjects to Embrace all opportunities of pursuing, captivating, killing and Destroying all and every of the aforesaid Indians.” The colonial government paid 50 pounds for scalps of males over 12 years, 25 pounds for scalps of women over 12, and 20 pounds for scalps of boys and girls under 12. Twenty-five British pounds sterling in 1755, worth around $9,000 today —a small fortune in those days when an English teacher earned 60 pounds a year.

Since the proclamation itself does not use the word, citing it as the origin of "beloved patriot" as another word for scalp has also been called "revisionist history". However, an historical association between the use of "beloved patriot" and the paying of bounties can be made. In 1863, a Winona, MN newspaper, the Daily Republican, printed among other announcements: "The state reward for dead Indians has been increased to $200 for every red-skin sent to Purgatory. This sum is more than the dead bodies of all the Indians east of the Red River are worth."

 

[lamedude]

First they renamed !@#$%& Lake, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a racist.
Then they renamed Jew Pond, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.
Then they renamed Little Hill Fort of Jew Killers, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not anti-Semitic.
Then they renamed me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[drebo]

Once again, racism is in the intent. This wasn't some Nazi stronghold. I don't understand why it needs to be renamed.

 

[cabri]

I never thought Redskins was bad.

Either do I, as a matter of fact. <shrug>

As long as the Eagles are able to play better ()