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And the winner is.........Sam Brownback?

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No matter what party you belong to or your political leanings the Republican contest looks to be one of the most interesting ever!.
McCain-former front runner who was running as traditional Republican and maverick at the same time.
Romney-Mormon who switched his views on abortion. The 'technocrat' of the field. Kind of like George Bush Sr. with personality.
Guiliani-Heroic ex-mayor with a background sure to trouble Republican 'social values' values voters. And an abortion supporter.
Sam Brownback-the 'true believer' who fits the social conservatives and Religious Rights specifications to a T. Yet, he is against the Iraq war.

What an interesting contest. If Brownback can get himself annointed as the "true" social conservative/religious right candidate the vote will break down into who can get the most of a minority. Imagine the "Big Four" averaging around 25 percent of the vote. You may see primaries with the winner getting 29 percent and the last place candidate getting 22 percent.
This could go on to a highly split convention where two candidates might agree to run as President and Vice President. Yet the other two could also agree to combine their votes.
It could make for a highly interesting campaign
 
You forgot Newt... and Jeb...

Although Dems would leap for joy if the Repubs actually ran Sam (the fundie-whack) Brownback... with Tancredo as his running mate, maybe... They'd play hell campaigning to the middle, bet on that...
 
a couple of Rhino's, a leopard that changes his spots, and a lion with anti war sentiments to attract moderate Dems and independants.

Looks like a trip to the zoo.
Gop fistfights are usually a lot less interesting then Dems though...I expect hillary and obama to raise their hands and engage in more Mortal Kombat soon.
 
Brownback and Huckabee scare the crap out of me.
I could deal with Romney and McCain.

Personally if a Republican were to win the presidency, I'd perfer Newt or Rudy.
I'm excited for both the Dem and Rep primaries; it's going to be very interesting.
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
Brownback and Huckabee scare the crap out of me.
I could deal with Romney and McCain.

Personally if a Republican were to win the presidency, I'd perfer Newt or Rudy.
I'm excited for both the Dem and Rep primaries; it's going to be very interesting.
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looks like the type of election a Perot could actually get elected...that is if everyone hadn't discovered he was a fruitcake.
 
I hope Brownback wins the nomination somehow, if he does...the general election will be a slaughter. That guy is crazy even by Kansas standards.
 
are you spying on Eskimos in Kansas at the present time.
Or from Alaska and just follow Kansas politics?
 
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Stunt
Brownback and Huckabee scare the crap out of me.
I could deal with Romney and McCain.

Personally if a Republican were to win the presidency, I'd perfer Newt or Rudy.
I'm excited for both the Dem and Rep primaries; it's going to be very interesting.
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looks like the type of election a Perot could actually get elected...that is if everyone hadn't discovered he was a fruitcake.
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I think there will be at least one well funded third party candidate, perhaps 2. There is an organization called Unity08 which is having a convention the summer before the election to nominate a Democrat and a Republican in a sort of unity ticket.

EDIT: Here is the Unity08 website: http://unity08.com/
 
I think if someone like Rudy chose to run as an independent, we could very well see an independent getting a fair share of the vote as he will draw votes from the centrist-conservatives as well as the centrist-liberals... especially if the race is down to something like Brownback for Republicans and Clinton for Dems. It should be real interesting.
 
Originally posted by: daniel49
are you spying on Eskimos in Kansas at the present time.
Or from Alaska and just follow Kansas politics?
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Hrmm, that might have come out wrong. I meant Brownback is crazy as compared to other national Kansas politicians by my standards as a latte' drinking volvo driving elitist west coast liberal.
 
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Stunt
Brownback and Huckabee scare the crap out of me.
I could deal with Romney and McCain.

Personally if a Republican were to win the presidency, I'd perfer Newt or Rudy.
I'm excited for both the Dem and Rep primaries; it's going to be very interesting.
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looks like the type of election a Perot could actually get elected...that is if everyone hadn't discovered he was a fruitcake.
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I think there will be at least one well funded third party candidate, perhaps 2. There is an organization called Unity08 which is having a convention the summer before the election to nominate a Democrat and a Republican in a sort of unity ticket.

EDIT: Here is the Unity08 website: http://unity08.com/
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hmm, sounds kina howard deanish😉
 
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Lothar
Brownback is against the Iraqi war?...Since when?
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I should have said he is against the surge.
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I must have missed that one.
Never knew.
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Wiki:
Senator Brownback has stated that he opposes President Bush's proposed 2007 troop surge in Iraq

btw Since Guilian is pro abortion, pro gay rights and pro gun control can we say a Democrat is President if he wins?
 
I think it will be Rudy.
Will come down to a rematch of the 2000 Senate race, but without Rudy dropping out.

Rudy could be hard to beat. He is a proven leader and a 'hero' to much of the country.
You know the convention will be all about him turning around New York and then his 9-11 leadership.

Give him a solid conservative VP and the Republicans are in good shape.

On the Dem side it looks like it will be an ugly race between Hillary and Obama, the uglier the better (for Republicans)
I think there is a strong chance the push each so far to the left on the anti-war thing that they hurt themselves in the general election.
 
PJ, you really think Rudy has a chance getting the nod from the Republicans? They're going to lose their entire Christian (financial) base.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think it will be Rudy.
Will come down to a rematch of the 2000 Senate race, but without Rudy dropping out.

Rudy could be hard to beat. He is a proven leader and a 'hero' to much of the country.
You know the convention will be all about him turning around New York and then his 9-11 leadership.

Give him a solid conservative VP and the Republicans are in good shape.

On the Dem side it looks like it will be an ugly race between Hillary and Obama, the uglier the better (for Republicans)
I think there is a strong chance the push each so far to the left on the anti-war thing that they hurt themselves in the general election.
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Rudy has so many skeletons in his closet his entire campaign would be apologizing and explaining what he did.
Imagine moving your girlfriend into the Mayors mansion while you are still married to your wife. Or trying to ram thru a new stadium for the NY Yankees that basically bought the stadium with public money then gave it to the Yankees? Since he left office the new Mayor saved NY about half a billion in the new stadium deal over Guilianis giveaway.
Or how about Bernie Kerik? Guilianis corrupt crony? Or explaining to America why your kids won't spend time with you and you ignore things like their graduation?
Nope, Rudy spent 8 years as NYC mayor and since then has not run for an office (except one he dropped out of early). The dirt on the Mayor has been thoroughly investigated and not yet been brought to light in a political campaign. And you can bet there is a lot.

And if it looks like Rudy is going to get the nod, I think a 3rd party Christian Conservative will run and take away some Republican votes.
 
I dont think any of the current players have a hope. With it starting this early, they are going to pound the crap out of eachother. Look for a more moderate canidate to enter the race closer to when it matters and slide past the guys who will spend the next several months destroying eachother. Hagel is a possibility in this eventuality.

No mormon will get the nod. So scratch Romney.

As already stated, Rudy has too many skeletons, and while he may beable to win a general, he wont cut it when some of his veiws get found out by the relgious right.

At the moment McCain might have the best nomination odds, but with him getting buddy-buddy with the right, and Bush, he may have a hard time with the general, andthat may effect him getting the nom.

Brownback is the dems dream. Cusinich would have decent odds of beating him in the general.
 
Originally posted by: fallensight
I dont think any of the current players have a hope. With it starting this early, they are going to pound the crap out of eachother. Look for a more moderate canidate to enter the race closer to when it matters and slide past the guys who will spend the next several months destroying eachother. Hagel is a possibility in this eventuality.

No mormon will get the nod. So scratch Romney.

As already stated, Rudy has too many skeletons, and while he may beable to win a general, he wont cut it when some of his veiws get found out by the relgious right.

At the moment McCain might have the best nomination odds, but with him getting buddy-buddy with the right, and Bush, he may have a hard time with the general, andthat may effect him getting the nom.

Brownback is the dems dream. Cusinich would have decent odds of beating him in the general.
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Romney just got the CPAC nod. That's a good start for him. I don't know if he can win but he's starting to wrap up the fundies. As for the mormon thing... When JFK won, "nobody would ever vote for a catholic." I really don't think the religion thing is going to be a problem for him.

Rudy is kicking everyone's ass in the polls. And anyone who has been near any news source in the last few months knows that he's pro-choice and pro-gay marriage. The Rs may be in the early stages of deciding that holding your nose and voting for a less than perfect candidate is better than President Hillary. (Remember, if Rudy had stayed in the senate race, there wouldn't be a senator Hillary from NY) Or maybe they're just looking at the whole package and realizing that maybe he really is a guy who can do the job. I don't know. It's kind of a mystery.

I don't think McCain has much of a shot. People still remember the last R senator who got the nom "because it was his turn." Bob Dole anyone?

And it's Kucinich.

I think your first statement is correct though. There are a lot of Rs in the running right now and they will spend a lot of resources pounding on each other whereas the Dem side of things looks like a race between Hill and Obama. Granted, it didn't work for Gore... But that could still be a problem for the R candidate after the primaries are over.
 
Law and order party - Bernard Kerik

Family values party - estranged children

Morality party - have you had your public adulterous relationship today

limited government party - raise taxes . . . give it to Steinbrenner

strict constructionist party - abortion and gun control

Granted, the GOP doesn't actually practice any of those virtues so I see Rudy as the frontrunner for the nomination.
 
Originally posted by: techs
Maybe not but the Republican race for the Presidential nomination is going to be a hoot.
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As will the Democratic race for the nomination. What a hoot it will be!

 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Romney just got the CPAC nod. That's a good start for him. I don't know if he can win but he's starting to wrap up the fundies. As for the mormon thing... When JFK won, "nobody would ever vote for a catholic." I really don't think the religion thing is going to be a problem for him.

Rudy is kicking everyone's ass in the polls. And anyone who has been near any news source in the last few months knows that he's pro-choice and pro-gay marriage. The Rs may be in the early stages of deciding that holding your nose and voting for a less than perfect candidate is better than President Hillary. (Remember, if Rudy had stayed in the senate race, there wouldn't be a senator Hillary from NY) Or maybe they're just looking at the whole package and realizing that maybe he really is a guy who can do the job. I don't know. It's kind of a mystery.

I don't think McCain has much of a shot. People still remember the last R senator who got the nom "because it was his turn." Bob Dole anyone?
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The problem with Romney is that he's a flip flopper...More so than Hillary, McCain, Kerry and Bush.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=avpixfg05qCk&refer=home

If Rudy didn't dropout of the NY Senate race in 2000, I dare say he wouldn't be running for President either.
He'd just be your typical US senator. He certainly won't be known as "America's mayor" and he won't be as popular as he is now.

I agree with you on McCain.
It seems the GOP insiders are still going haywire expecting him to win the nomination. They're calling Giuliani "the flavor of the month".
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070302/ap_...nges;_ylt=An_ughU86UlvI0B0maBfb0pp24cA
 
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