And the music business strikes again! This time it's the lyrics...

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: MistaTastyCakes
Pretty soon the movie industry's gonna fine people for telling other epople what a movie's about

You want a spoiler? Here's a spoiler - you will die alone!

- M4H

Hehehe, yes it was very funny when I said that.

 

[Dedpuhl]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
I always thought you couldn't do that anyway. Who really care anyway? If you want to know the lyrics, buy the CD. If the lyrics aren't in the CD, then complain. Geeze. Some people are really into this stealing thing.

What good would complaining do? The music industry doesn't listen to (or care about) the consumer anyway...

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: MistaTastyCakes
Pretty soon the movie industry's gonna fine people for telling other epople what a movie's about

You want a spoiler? Here's a spoiler - you will die alone!

- M4H

Hehehe, yes it was very funny when I said that.

Do us all a big favour and go to the Matrix Reloaded opening. Get a good shot of the nerds in costume there.

- M4H

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
Of course lyrics are only a part of a song, but posting lyrics in their entirety is the same as posting a poem, book, magazine article, movie script, or whatever in its entirety.

A book or a poem? Nope. Those are just words. When you post the words, you post 100% of the whole work. But songs are alot more than just words. If you post it's lyrics, you would still leave large part of the whole work unpublished.

As soon as Neil Peart puts pen to paper to write lyrics for a new Rush song those lyrics are copyrighted. As soon as my friend starts typing up a new script that script is copyrighted. As soon as I take a picture w/my camera that picture is copyrighted. Is posting the lyrics of a song violating the rights of the owner of the song? No. Is it violating the rights of the owner of the lyrics? Yes (unless that perons gives consent).

Lyrics constitute a work in and of themselves and do not need music to enable them to be protected by copyright. They very act of writing those lyrics down grants copyrights to the author (unless the author is under contract/agreement that gives someone else copyrights).


Lethal

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: Triumph
Why is it any different than quoting a passage from a book, properly referenced? That's intellectual property, but you are allowed to do that.

You are allowed to qoute PASSAGES but not Entire books. You can qoute lines in a songs when used for reveiw or educational purposes. However you cannot post and entire work by it self. You cannot publish a poem I wrote without my consent unless you reveiwing or using it for reference. Even then you need to be careful not to publish the entire thing.

Lyrics are the same as any other written work. If you want to publish excerpts and editorilize them have at it. You just want to post the entire song without consent to give others acess to the lyrics then that violates copyright laws. It's pretty cut and dry.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: MistaTastyCakes
Pretty soon the movie industry's gonna fine people for telling other epople what a movie's about

You want a spoiler? Here's a spoiler - you will die alone!

- M4H

w00t for Triumph

 

[Spac3d]

:|I hate the RIAA:|

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: Spac3d
:|I hate the RIAA:|

I hate the Dallas Cowboys. And yes, my post is as irrelevent as yours because the RIAA has nothing to do w/what's being discussed in this thread.


Lethal

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: Triumph
Why is it any different than quoting a passage from a book, properly referenced? That's intellectual property, but you are allowed to do that.

You are allowed to qoute PASSAGES but not Entire books. You can qoute lines in a songs when used for reveiw or educational purposes. However you cannot post and entire work by it self. You cannot publish a poem I wrote without my consent unless you reveiwing or using it for reference. Even then you need to be careful not to publish the entire thing.

Lyrics are the same as any other written work. If you want to publish excerpts and editorilize them have at it. You just want to post the entire song without consent to give others acess to the lyrics then that violates copyright laws. It's pretty cut and dry.

Though I hate to say it, it's true.

However, copyright legislation is ill-equipped to deal with today's technology. Looking up lyrics online does not deprive, or defame anybody (unless they're really retarded lyrics). It could and should be condisdered free publicity by the artists that should own the copyrights. Unfortunately today there are companies who own most of the copyrights (and I don't think that should be allowed), and they will not release them unless they directly profit from it. They don't see the potential for indirect profit in this case (by increasing name recognition, etc). Also, considering how the RIAA/MPAA have been treating their customers lately, by turing fair-use into a crime, I feel that any breech of this specific law w/r/t lyrics could be considered civil disobedience.

Once again, legally it isn't theft, because it does not deprive anybody of their intellectual property. (Yes I realize Kevin Mitnick played this card and lost, but the decision was wrong in that case, they wanted to make an example of him for making the FBI look foolish).

I find it ironic that an artist would oppose a lyrics website, aren't they in the business to get famous? If they were really in it for the art, they wouldn't care the fate of their "property" once they finished mastering the recording.

EDIT: I'd hate to see what they do about tabs.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: Triumph
Why is it any different than quoting a passage from a book, properly referenced? That's intellectual property, but you are allowed to do that.

You are allowed to qoute PASSAGES but not Entire books. You can qoute lines in a songs when used for reveiw or educational purposes. However you cannot post and entire work by it self. You cannot publish a poem I wrote without my consent unless you reveiwing or using it for reference. Even then you need to be careful not to publish the entire thing.

Lyrics are the same as any other written work. If you want to publish excerpts and editorilize them have at it. You just want to post the entire song without consent to give others acess to the lyrics then that violates copyright laws. It's pretty cut and dry.

Though I hate to say it, it's true.

However, copyright legislation is ill-equipped to deal with today's technology. Looking up lyrics online does not deprive, or defame anybody (unless they're really retarded lyrics). It could and should be condisdered free publicity by the artists that should own the copyrights. Unfortunately today there are companies who own most of the copyrights (and I don't think that should be allowed), and they will not release them unless they directly profit from it. They don't see the potential for indirect profit in this case (by increasing name recognition, etc). Also, considering how the RIAA/MPAA have been treating their customers lately, by turing fair-use into a crime, I feel that any breech of this specific law w/r/t lyrics could be considered civil disobedience.

Once again, legally it isn't theft, because it does not deprive anybody of their intellectual property. (Yes I realize Kevin Mitnick played this card and lost, but the decision was wrong in that case, they wanted to make an example of him for making the FBI look foolish).

I find it ironic that an artist would oppose a lyrics website, aren't they in the business to get famous? If they were really in it for the art, they wouldn't care the fate of their "property" once they finished mastering the recording.

EDIT: I'd hate to see what they do about tabs.

One could argue that musicians can't set up their own site and charge to browse lyrics because of the free one out there.

 

[her209]

lame...